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Danes said:
I am really glad it works for you and It really would be lie if I said high doses of EPI didnt do anything for me.For me, one box of PES High Volume worked 1000x times better than Epi(pumps, musclefullness,endurance ++). But we are different :)

Some of Russian scientists love money lol. I am almost crossing finish line but this can be pretty expencive
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I really hate to use a cliché but you're comparing apples & oranges. Nitrates, agmatine, etc. give muscle fullness, perhaps a bit of endurance. Epi does this also. But this is not the primary benefit. Over time just like compound interest the reduction in myostatin allows for lean mass to be gained in an accelerated fashion. I think non-novice athletes who keep track of gains year in year out in regards to lean mass will see a definitive benefit from Epi in this area more than with any other natural composition.
 
Touey said:
I really hate to use a cliché but you're comparing apples & oranges. Nitrates, agmatine, etc. give muscle fullness, perhaps a bit of endurance. Epi does this also. But this is not the primary benefit. Over time just like compound interest the reduction in myostatin allows for lean mass to be gained in an accelerated fashion. I think non-novice athletes who keep track of gains year in year out in regards to lean mass will see a definitive benefit from Epi in this area more than with any other natural composition.
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I dont agree at all.
Epicatechin is better as N.O booster than Myostatin inhibitor. I really dont want to start on this because I have done it many times earlier. If you really believe increasing Follistatin will automaticaly decrease myostatin and that will make gains, then you are wrong. Natural compounds can Incease Folli, and it may decrease myostatin but there are other factors which are responsible for Follistatin/myostatin connection. (There is no natural compounds as we know about which can manipulate Folli/Myo/decorin/TGF-Beta etc at the same time)
Epicatechin should be sold as N.O booster and for health benefits and not natural anabolic

You maybe knew Creatine can decrease Myostatin? But its nothing to brag of
 
Glad to hear from you Touey!
Its great that you had an opportunity to try other brands to compare to Follidrone and it IS all about the source of the raw material.
The new epicatechin product I am working on keeps getting pushed back as I learn new things and reformulate. The formula is looking very solid and we will likely release soon. Its also taken a back seat to the pre workout product that will be released within I think 60 days.
 
brundel said:
Glad to hear from you Touey!
Its great that you had an opportunity to try other brands to compare to Follidrone and it IS all about the source of the raw material.
The new epicatechin product I am working on keeps getting pushed back as I learn new things and reformulate. The formula is looking very solid and we will likely release soon. Its also taken a back seat to the pre workout product that will be released within I think 60 days.
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How close are the pre and follidrone 2.0?
 
VERY.
The pre will probably come first but Im not 100%
The new EPI product is coming along. Frankly I would have released already but I keep finding new things with potential. Anyways it should be soon.
We have already run it through testing and everyone loved it. Think Follidrone x3.

Now...the pre.
I have been working on this for some time now. More than a year. Its been tough bringing the vision to production because the ingredients we are using are mostly very expensive. This is troublesome for a product with many ingredients. This is why everyone uses cheap stuff like creatine and caffeine then adds some interesting looking ingredients in low doses. This is also why most are disappointing.
So Im balancing the ingredient profile, tossing things that are not needed and pushing doses to 100% on those that are.
The formula is close to done. Im working on the final portion now and we should be ready within 30 days to go to production.
I can tell you that there are some surprises.
new ingredients nobody has ever used and angles most have not thought of. This is not your average Pre.

I plan to push the envelope with this one and I know one thing for sure..... Every person on this forum is gonna want in on this.
 
brundel said:
VERY.
The pre will probably come first but Im not 100%
The new EPI product is coming along. Frankly I would have released already but I keep finding new things with potential. Anyways it should be soon.
We have already run it through testing and everyone loved it. Think Follidrone x3.

Now...the pre.
I have been working on this for some time now. More than a year. Its been tough bringing the vision to production because the ingredients we are using are mostly very expensive. This is troublesome for a product with many ingredients. This is why everyone uses cheap stuff like creatine and caffeine then adds some interesting looking ingredients in low doses. This is also why most are disappointing.
So Im balancing the ingredient profile, tossing things that are not needed and pushing doses to 100% on those that are.
The formula is close to done. Im working on the final portion now and we should be ready within 30 days to go to production.
I can tell you that there are some surprises.
new ingredients nobody has ever used and angles most have not thought of. This is not your average Pre.

I plan to push the envelope with this one and I know one thing for sure..... Every person on this forum is gonna want in on this.
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Indication on servings / price?
 
I expect price to be relatively high for a pre.
30 days supply.
Many of the ingredients are rare and over 3000$ per kg so I have had to be very careful with formulation in order to keep production cost low enough to make the project even possible. Ultimately youll be getting what is likely one of if not the best pre available today.
 
Danes said:
I dont agree at all.
Epicatechin is better as N.O booster than Myostatin inhibitor. I really dont want to start on this because I have done it many times earlier. If you really believe increasing Follistatin will automaticaly decrease myostatin and that will make gains, then you are wrong. Natural compounds can Incease Folli, and it may decrease myostatin but there are other factors which are responsible for Follistatin/myostatin connection. (There is no natural compounds as we know about which can manipulate Folli/Myo/decorin/TGF-Beta etc at the same time)
Epicatechin should be sold as N.O booster and for health benefits and not natural anabolic

You maybe knew Creatine can decrease Myostatin? But its nothing to brag of
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I don't see it that way, I don't think it should be sold simply as a N.O. product

brundel said:
I expect price to be relatively high for a pre.
30 days supply.
Many of the ingredients are rare and over 3000$ per kg so I have had to be very careful with formulation in order to keep production cost low enough to make the project even possible. Ultimately youll be getting what is likely one of if not the best pre available today.
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Are you going to continue selling the original Follidrone in addition to the added ingredient version.
 
Jebrook said:
Yes, Brundel has stated that he will keep the original Follidrone in production:)
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It is good to see Brundel finally has some more reps on this forum, not that kisaj isn't fabulous but one old man in adult underpants can only do so much.
 
Touey said:
It is good to see Brundel finally has some more reps on this forum, not that kisaj isn't fabulous but one old man in adult underpants can only do so much.
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Lol. kisaj is old. At least that's how he describes himself, but you can bet his mind is still sharp from all the Noots! halfhuman and vujade are also on the team along with myself. Hit us up if you ever need anything. Thanks for the support.
 
Touey said:
It is good to see Brundel finally has some more reps on this forum, not that kisaj isn't fabulous but one old man in adult underpants can only do so much.
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:) sometimes you have to be self deprecating to balance out all the ass kicking. I'm probably the youngest 41 yo you'd ever meet.
 
Im 41 as well. I dont feel old.

I do plan on selling regular Follidrone. The new epi product is not just epicatechin and as such wont be Follidrone. Follidrone will likely undergo some slight changes that benefit you guys.
 
Im 46 and I don't feel old either. I can run with guys younger then me any day and usually
find myself hanging up with people younger then me, because most guys my age live a
much slower paced life then me.
 
I can't figure out if T-bone is getting more cheeky in his own dotage or if he is ruffled cause folks won't leave off calling him koko the monkey
 
The road, as it climbed, twisted & turned, & each new vista was one of supernal loveliness. Poverty might be here, but never sadness, never the grave & somber gloom of an England forever doomed to seek power, never the sleek urbanity of a Paris forever doomed to seek sophistication. Italy could never again be sophisticated; she had passed that stage ages ago. A young man once said with such weariness, "I have seen everything". He who thinks he has seen everything may no longer see anything.
 
Touey said:
The road, as it climbed, twisted & turned, & each new vista was one of supernal loveliness. Poverty might be here, but never sadness, never the grave & somber gloom of an England forever doomed to seek power, never the sleek urbanity of a Paris forever doomed to seek sophistication. Italy could never again be sophisticated; she had passed that stage ages ago. A young man once said with such weariness, "I have seen everything". He who thinks he has seen everything may no longer see anything.
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there is nothing urbane about the people of paris...rudest most impolite people of any country I have been to[47]
 
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