SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

AustBenny said:
Lol, I love the "There are studies" guys.

My bottles of OL Ostarine don't "recommend" usage in PCT either, only offer a dosing guideline. Haven't seen the new OL UK bottles but I doubt they're any ddifferent.
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Would you like the links or do you want to be an adult and do research of your own? Yes. They are guidelines and the guidelines are "1 to 3 capsules alongside your post cycle therapy supplement". The questions was why would it be on there when it is suppressive.
 
Chrisko said:
Would you like the links or do you want to be an adult and do research of your own? Yes. They are guidelines and the guidelines are "1 to 3 capsules alongside your post cycle therapy supplement". The questions was why would it be on there when it is suppressive.
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These are not my reccomendations and I do not agree with them at all. I would never reccomend osta in pct, I've tried it back in the day and it really hurt my long term recovery. Guys are going to use osta in pct regardless so these guidelines are probably more to keep people from dosing too high during pct.
 
Chrisko said:
The standard 5 panel test would not or should not test positive for nolva. Usually the test would indicate on metabolites but don't take my word as stone. I am not 100 percent positive but pretty sure.
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A standard 5 panel drug screen will only show positive or negative for only 5 different drugs; Marijuana, cocaine, opiates, barbiturates, and methamphetamines. You have no worries with these on any kind of ph/ds/sarm/aas
 
Chrisko said:
Would you like the links or do you want to be an adult and do research of your own? Yes. They are guidelines and the guidelines are "1 to 3 capsules alongside your post cycle therapy supplement". The questions was why would it be on there when it is suppressive.
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I know there are studies, and I've read parts that I've seen published in other places which I'm assuming is all you've read. Studies are not the be all and end all.

When there is a study that is more pertinent to the case in point, for example effects of ostarine on the HTPA while using a SERM and AI I'll be interested to see the results.

Any user of any supplement should do their own due diligence. If you don't think using Osta in PCT is a good idea, don't do it. If you're so disgusted, I think you should boycott the product and send those bottles of Ostarine to me. I'll gladly take them off your hands.
 
AustBenny said:
I know there are studies, and I've read parts that I've seen published in other places which I'm assuming is all you've read. Studies are not the be all and end all.

When there is a study that is more pertinent to the case in point, for example effects of ostarine on the HTPA while using a SERM and AI I'll be interested to see the results.

Any user of any supplement should do their own due diligence. If you don't think using Osta in PCT is a good idea, don't do it. If you're so disgusted, I think you should boycott the product and send those bottles of Ostarine to me. I'll gladly take them off your hands.
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You should know that there would not be any pertinent study regarding the usage that you are referring to because it is simply not scientifically intended to be used as such so I highly doubt you would see it ran alongside serms and AI's. Studies are not the be all and end all but they are a very strong reference point. So when you take the studies and the logs by multiple users you would have pretty significant evidence as to suppression. I do believe that every user should do research about the products that they intend to consume hence why I am on this forum. To take in as much info as possible.

Supply and demand, dude. You can have them for about triple the cost I paid for them.
 
Maybe then you can leave us to do our own due diligence and save us your righteous indignation.

Thanks for your generous offer dude but I've got plenty of stock before there was any supply/demand issue.
 
SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

yates84 said:
I live in North Carolina
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Am I mistaken to assume OL "UK" will be an overseas delivery? That is my concern.
 
AustBenny said:
Maybe then you can leave us to do our own due diligence and save us your righteous indignation.

Thanks for your generous offer dude but I've got plenty of stock before there was any supply/demand issue.
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Whacked said:
Am I mistaken to assume OL "UK" will be an overseas delivery? That is my concern.
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Some of our stuff isn't available in the us but sarms, mk, gw, and trest are all available in the us! Check out phw supplements, nutriverse, or NutraPlanet and you will find what you're looking for.
 
JohnJJ said:
hi,

not sure if this is the thread for this but I will be starting a 8 week lgd cycle soon and was wondering if this is a trusted/legitimate site for a pct.

cemproducts.c0m/clomi-70ml-35mg-ml.html (cant post links yet. c0n is zero)

Thanks
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CEM is a board sponsor :)
 
AustBenny said:
Maybe then you can leave us to do our own due diligence and save us your righteous indignation.

Thanks for your generous offer dude but I've got plenty of stock before there was any supply/demand issue.
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If you don't like my "righteous indignation" then leave. Last time I checked this wasn't the democracy of "austbenny". It is a pretty simple concept: leave or don't reply and/or respond.

The questions I ask could possibly save an inexperienced user some trouble later on down the road and I will continue to ask questions "dude".
 
Chrisko said:
Not to sound like a dick but anyone can claim what they want. When osta studies are out that it is suppressive at just 3mgs that hypothesis is simply not supported by the evidence. Can some people recover fine? I am sure they can but that can also be chalked up to being "user dependent". Once again taking something suppressive simply does not support a PCT regiment. It pretty much goes against every book that I have read from credible sources regarding the topic.
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I'm sorry it's not a "claim" it's backed up with blood work ...
 
Ok that is fine and well but others have not. If it worked for you that is great. I am glad that you recovered well. I hope everyone recovers well with everything they do here that is one of the reasons why people ask questions and do research. The OP who pretty much seems to be the go to guy for advice on Sarms has already stated that he would never do such a thing again. It did not work for him.
 
I am not trying to get into a pissing match or argument here, that is not my intention. I am simply asking questions. If people have questions or concerns, they should ask. They should try and find out as much info as possible about substances they are unsure about. Especially these substances which do not have nearly as much info or trials run as traditional aas.
 
Whacked said:
Am I mistaken to assume OL "UK" will be an overseas delivery? That is my concern.
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Not at all.

Shipped from the USA from board retailers such as NP and Nutriverse.
 
yates84 + other experienced users. I am considering to take real step to the stronger compounds like sarms etc.... I am thinking about taking LGD 4033 for 8 weeks or longer.

I am still confused about the test base. It is not surely a must, but I feel it might be recommended on LGD. There is a lot of compounds available, example: 1-andro, Trestolone, P-Mag, Halo etc... etc... I am thinking about stacking LGD with something that could work as a good testbase, but it is not too harsh. First I was thinking about Trestolone because It was sounding very interesting compound, but now it seems it has high possibility to aromatize and needs real AI like aromasin or something so I feel that is not the best route to take. I really feel I need help with this. Halo also sounds nice, but seems quite harsh to the liver...

I am first timer when it comes to these strong compounds, but I have done my gr8 share of research, but I have still a lot to learn. Also I do not know do I need HCG on cycle / pct. Clomid / Nolva for pct of course + OTC AI + others like support products etc...

So basically I would like to do good first time run which is not too strong for first timer but not too mild either (I do not wanna waste time or go the route of real PCT if the cycle is not worth it)..

BR.
Hema
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Look into Dermacrine. Its relatively low impact (on hormones) but more than capable as a base.
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^^^this would be my suggestion as well
 
My first run (thanks to Yates:) ) was Ostarine and Dermacrine. It was a fantastic and mild cycle! Loved Ostarine, maybe even more than LGD.
 
clown007 said:
My first run (thanks to Yates:) ) was Ostarine and Dermacrine. It was a fantastic and mild cycle! Loved Ostarine, maybe even more than LGD.
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I would have to agree that I prefer osta over lgd as well.
 
clown007 said:
My first run (thanks to Yates:) ) was Ostarine and Dermacrine. It was a fantastic and mild cycle! Loved Ostarine, maybe even more than LGD.
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Really? Very interesting. Did you experience any joint/tendon/ligament repair or relief? I would assume your run was for recomp?
 
yates84 said:
I would have to agree that I prefer osta over lgd as well.
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You ever do a bulk or recomp with Osta vs a cut?

If so how were the results?
 
kboxer7 said:
You ever do a bulk or recomp with Osta vs a cut?

If so how were the results?
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I have attempted both and osta is definitely better used in a deficit. Osta did not suit my needs during a bulk and I was disappointed in the cycle. A couple months ago I decided to go in a 1000 calorie deficit and 50g of carbs ed. My body fat disappeared while I still maintained ALL of my strength. If you are looking to bulk then I would take a look at lgd or rad over osta for sure.
 
yates84 said:
I would have to agree that I prefer osta over lgd as well.
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Did you feel more suppression on lgd oor osta? The reason I ask is because I have only those two because they were the only substances I became interested in. I would be more interested in recomp or bulk and possibly an osta run for the wife. The rad was interesting at first but there wasn't enough testing and logs done to give it any consideration. Anyway, I have these two compounds and don't know which one to run or simply running another Halo cycle because it is already expired with some furuza.
 
I felt no lethargy or anything negative on Ostarine but on LGD I felt very lethargic about 4 weeks in.
 
Quick update on my 20mg Ostar1ne run...just finished week 7. Strength is good and looking lean. Overall I think most of my lean improvements came by week 5, don't see much body comp change since then but I am around 10% so changes are likely subtle.

I would say I as still getting stronger however.

I decided to add Rad in for 4 weeks and going to run Osta for 10 weeks in total. So I am one week into Rad at 8mg. I can't say I see anything from Rad as yet. Maybe a bit of an increase in hunger.

Getting good sleep, about 7-8 hours a night, no lethargy issues yet. Sides seem mild if at all.
 
Chrisko said:
Did you feel more suppression on lgd oor osta? The reason I ask is because I have only those two because they were the only substances I became interested in. I would be more interested in recomp or bulk and possibly an osta run for the wife. The rad was interesting at first but there wasn't enough testing and logs done to give it any consideration. Anyway, I have these two compounds and don't know which one to run or simply running another Halo cycle because it is already expired with some furuza.
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Recomp or bulk you should run the lgd. Osta is great for the ladies, my wife is running an osta/rad stack right now and she hits a new pr every time she walks in the gym. Run the rad but grab some kind of test base for sure.
 
yates84 said:
Recomp or bulk you should run the lgd. Osta is great for the ladies, my wife is running an osta/rad stack right now and she hits a new pr every time she walks in the gym. Run the rad but grab some kind of test base for sure.
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I have 3 bottles of 360 count osta 2 bottles of 90 count lgd 2 bottles of epic 2 bottles of super pct and 2 bottles of eliminate. Not really down to spend more money on any more supplements for the time being to actually pick up any rad. Maybe when the time is right. I have never ran any OL products. I was once interested in conquer but i just seemed to forget about about it and lost track. Right now I am trying to setup a home gym and am trying to save a boat load of cash for that endeavor.

Anyway long story short I would like to run the epic solo just to see how I would respond to it but I know that you recommend running it during pct to keep most of the gains made on cycle. I only have two bottles of epic right now and I would eventually not have enough to run it solo and then on cycle and am not looking to invest in any more because of the home gym thing.
 
Chrisko said:
I have 3 bottles of 360 count osta 2 bottles of 90 count lgd 2 bottles of epic 2 bottles of super pct and 2 bottles of eliminate. Not really down to spend more money on any more supplements for the time being to actually pick up any rad. Maybe when the time is right. I have never ran any OL products. I was once interested in conquer but i just seemed to forget about about it and lost track. Right now I am trying to setup a home gym and am trying to save a boat load of cash for that endeavor.

Anyway long story short I would like to run the epic solo just to see how I would respond to it but I know that you recommend running it during pct to keep most of the gains made on cycle. I only have two bottles of epic right now and I would eventually not have enough to run it solo and then on cycle and am not looking to invest in any more because of the home gym thing.
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Epic is nice in pct but not necessary. If you run epic unleashed solo then run both bottles back to back at label dosing, I promise you will be impressed by how well it works. The key to pct is keeping training intensity and eating at your new maintenance calories. If you can do those 2 thongs and use a serm in pct you will have sucess full PCT's every cycle.
 
yates84 said:
Epic is nice in pct but not necessary. If you run epic unleashed solo then run both bottles back to back at label dosing, I promise you will be impressed by how well it works. The key to pct is keeping training intensity and eating at your new maintenance calories. If you can do those 2 thongs and use a serm in pct you will have sucess full PCT's every cycle.
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Thank you for your insight.
 
Chrisko said:
Really? Very interesting. Did you experience any joint/tendon/ligament repair or relief? I would assume your run was for recomp?
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I've notice repair on the Osta & I've only been on it for 4 week at 5mg. I had a nagging injury to my right wrist & I haven't needed my wrist wrap in over a week. I've also notice my knees hold up much better on leg day & feel a lot less achy as a whole.
 
This Yates guy is a great asset to the SARMS world for all of us ;)
 
Does anyone carry TREST transdermal "today"? Nutriverse site says end of Nov.
 
yates84 said:
Epic is nice in pct but not necessary. If you run epic unleashed solo then run both bottles back to back at label dosing, I promise you will be impressed by how well it works. The key to pct is keeping training intensity and eating at your new maintenance calories. If you can do those 2 thongs and use a serm in pct you will have sucess full PCT's every cycle.
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NICE AVI !!!!!
what you think about transdermal trest and oral trest together ?
how would I split them up to maximize half life ?
 
Whacked said:
Does anyone carry TREST transdermal "today"? Nutriverse site says end of Nov.
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I think phw will have it much sooner than that, shoot them an email and see what's up!
 
bighulksmash said:
NICE AVI !!!!!
what you think about transdermal trest and oral trest together ?
how would I split them up to maximize half life ?
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Honestly, I would dose dermatrest twice a day 12 hours apart then I would take up to 50mg of oral trest pwo. Oral trest pwo is what's up.
 
Very stupid question.


when you do 2/2/2 etc for OL Eliminate, that means 1 pill twice a day after meals? for that week...then on pct its 1 pill 3x a day correct?
 
Quick question and multiple feedback would be appreciated.

Recently finished an 8 week cycle of Ostarine+Cardarine (10mg/7mg throughout) +MK on the side at 10mg throughout.
Results were great and felt like I could've gone a lot longer.
Anyway, that was 2 weeks ago and just finished 1 week of Nolva at 20mg ED for PCT.


How long should I wait before I start up another cycle? Just got a bottle of LGD that I will plan to run at small doses for 6 weeks.

Thanks in advance.
 
JohnJJ said:
Very stupid question.


when you do 2/2/2 etc for OL Eliminate, that means 1 pill twice a day after meals? for that week...then on pct its 1 pill 3x a day correct?
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Uep, the 2 means 2 caps of eliminate each day. What else are you running in pct? Don't want to tell you to run the eliminate if you have other products that contain armistane in pct.
 
ArmDay said:
Quick question and multiple feedback would be appreciated.

Recently finished an 8 week cycle of Ostarine+Cardarine (10mg/7mg throughout) +MK on the side at 10mg throughout.
Results were great and felt like I could've gone a lot longer.
Anyway, that was 2 weeks ago and just finished 1 week of Nolva at 20mg ED for PCT.


How long should I wait before I start up another cycle? Just got a bottle of LGD that I will plan to run at small doses for 6 weeks.

Thanks in advance.
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Really, time on + pct = time off. I would wait at least 10 weeks after pct before starting another cycle even though 12 weeks would be optimal.
 
ArmDay said:
Quick question and multiple feedback would be appreciated.

Recently finished an 8 week cycle of Ostarine+Cardarine (10mg/7mg throughout) +MK on the side at 10mg throughout.
Results were great and felt like I could've gone a lot longer.
Anyway, that was 2 weeks ago and just finished 1 week of Nolva at 20mg ED for PCT.


How long should I wait before I start up another cycle? Just got a bottle of LGD that I will plan to run at small doses for 6 weeks.

Thanks in advance.
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I would personally run another 8 weeks of lgd if you're gonna do low dose, me personally being the gangsta I am would go 10-12 weeks...
Finish your pct and wait a few weeks
 
yates84 said:
Uep, the 2 means 2 caps of eliminate each day. What else are you running in pct? Don't want to tell you to run the eliminate if you have other products that contain armistane in pct.
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i plan on doing clomid. but if i could get away with just OL Eliminate thatd be cool. only doing 1 bottle of OL LeGenD
 
JohnJJ said:
i plan on doing clomid. but if i could get away with just OL Eliminate thatd be cool. only doing 1 bottle of OL LeGenD
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Run the clomid, eliminate is not a pct.
 
Bridging for Sarms to Ph's should the 2 overlap by a few days/a week or not at all?
Finishing 6 weeks(may do 8 weeks) Osta soon and fancied adding 1 of my supplements. Would M4ohn be a good addition? Only 1 tub 10mg x100?
 
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