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BCAA timing...

Big Papi said:
supp forum bros definitely over supplement and make this weight lifting thing out to be rocket science when it's really not- i am guilty of this, too), .
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Your guilty of over supplementing but want to bring up an argument over a supplement (Casein) which is a far stretch from being necessary.

Big Papi said:
Not sheriff srs
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The topics about BCAA intake, but you just want to find a reason to argue over people on this board using too many supplements when in reality their diet or training may be lacking. This could be said the same for a large majority of boards. New users think pills and powders make the biggest difference in the world when it has the least amount of impact on the big picture and their dietary needs coming mostly from whole foods or using a whey if they need to "Supplement" their protein intake.
 
 
The Solution said:
Your guilty of over supplementing but want to bring up an argument over a supplement (Casein) which is a far stretch from being necessary.



The topics about BCAA intake, but you just want to find a reason to argue over people on this board using too many supplements when in reality their diet or training may be lacking. This could be said the same for a large majority of boards. New users think pills and powders make the biggest difference in the world when it has the least amount of impact on the big picture and their dietary needs coming mostly from whole foods or using a whey if they need to "Supplement" their protein intake.
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please tell me you're not an english teacher...
 
The Solution said:
I am sure all those bodybuilders in the 80's and 90's who looked great were fretting not having a casein shake before going to bed and instead were eating steak or chicken. Dorian Yates must of been doing it wrong, same with Arnold.
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But they drank a crap-load of Milk too :)
 
The Solution said:
training in older adults age 61.5 . I know soy was brought up, but not a fan of it.
Why you got to call me old? Do i look in my 60's? if so man i need to re-wind the clocks :)
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you should really stop pretending to science
 
The Solution said:
The topics about BCAA intake, but you just want to find a reason to argue over people on this board using too many supplements when in reality their diet or training may be lacking. This could be said the same for a large majority of boards. New users think pills and powders make the biggest difference in the world when it has the least amount of impact on the big picture and their dietary needs coming mostly from whole foods or using a whey if they need to "Supplement" their protein intake.
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The issue is your continual use of broad sweeping generalizations under the guise of being "evidence-based" with such conviction that leads others to believe it is true.

This entire post (like your last few post) is pretty much a strawman in an attempt to obfuscate.

The point of contention is that protein = protein and source has no effect. This is no supported by empirical or anecdotal evidence. Your response to questioning of this point has been pretty much, supps are not needed, which is a strawman since that is not the objection being made.
Big Papi position seems to be, maybe we shouldn't be quick to dismiss something, especially when that something is based upon decades of anecdotal evidence or in other words, "lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater". This has nothing to do with supplements and has everything to do with you making broad sweeping generalized statements.
 
My memory is foggy on the subject, but didn't the muscle protein synthesis difference between soy+other plant proteins vs whey+milk proteins disappear when a higher dose was used, leading to the soy+plant proteins meeting leucine thresholds?

PS. I know that doesn't mean protein = protein because that goes far beyond AA contents
 
kdubson14 said:
My memory is foggy on the subject, but didn't the muscle protein synthesis difference between soy+other plant proteins vs whey+milk proteins disappear when a higher dose was used, leading to the soy+plant proteins meeting leucine thresholds?

PS. I know that doesn't mean protein = protein because that goes far beyond AA contents
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honestly I am not sure but if you have a reference I would be happy to give it a read

If you read the paper I linked even the low protein group bat the soy group. My hunch is there is more going on then simply not enough X to trigger MPS.
 
Is sipping on one scoop of BCAAs over a four hour period much different than a constant flow of aminos from a steak over the same time period?

I think that is what was being asked earlier
 
Another evidence based study on BCAAs causing improved performance when being used intra.

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The rats also chose the amino-spiked water over regular water. Maybe it was flavored like cheese.
 
Question: let's say you ate your last meal of the day at 7pm and you didn't get to bed until 10pm... would having BCAA's to sip on during the night have any benefit? (Assume that protein was steady throughout the day and in a consistent manner).
 
halljo said:
Question: let's say you ate your last meal of the day at 7pm and you didn't get to bed until 10pm... would having BCAA's to sip on during the night have any benefit? (Assume that protein was steady throughout the day and in a consistent manner).
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Mayo Clinic:

Digestion time varies between individuals and between men and women. After you eat, it takes about six to eight hours for food to pass through your stomach and small intestine. Food then enters your large intestine (colon) for further digestion, absorption of water and, finally, elimination of undigested food.

In the 1980s, Mayo Clinic researchers measured digestion time in 21 healthy people. Total transit time, from eating to elimination in stool, averaged 53 hours (although that figure is a little overstated, because the markers used by the researchers passed more slowly through the stomach than actual food). The average transit time through just the large intestine (colon) was 40 hours, with significant difference between men and women: 33 hours for men, 47 hours for women.
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halljo said:
Question: let's say you ate your last meal of the day at 7pm and you didn't get to bed until 10pm... would having BCAA's to sip on during the night have any benefit? (Assume that protein was steady throughout the day and in a consistent manner).
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I'd rather have a nice sludge or proyo :)

But IMO, if you do the BCAA pre-bed, just slam it prior to bed to get the MPS.
 
halljo said:
I used to think that BCAA usage was best at meal times (including protein shakes)... then I read that BCAA's arw really important during a workout... then I read that BCAA's are more important before bed (assuming they meant with a Casein protein shake). So if everytime is the right time for BCAA's, should we be sucking down BCAA's constantly, all day long or what?
(I gotta stop reading so many articles and other stuff... everything contradicts the other study... gets confusing after awhile)
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Information overload is quite easy in this industry. I'm guilty of the same thing.

I got great results from BCAA's while training fasted in the morning with some Caffeine. It kept me awake and helped dramatically with recovery. I used them on their own as combining them with anything else (LCLT, Citrulline, Beta Alanine) of which I have also used wasn't good.



Any other time it did nothing. No matter what the studies said and I read heaps of them.
 
halljo said:
I used to think that BCAA usage was best at meal times (including protein shakes)... then I read that BCAA's arw really important during a workout... then I read that BCAA's are more important before bed (assuming they meant with a Casein protein shake). So if everytime is the right time for BCAA's, should we be sucking down BCAA's constantly, all day long or what?
(I gotta stop reading so many articles and other stuff... everything contradicts the other study... gets confusing after awhile)
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Information overload is a very real thing in this industry and very frustrating.

I used BCAA's while training fasted in the morning with some Caffeine. I was very alert and noticed a big difference in recovery.

At no other time did I notice anything no matter what the studies said would happen.
 
Sorry for the second post. The first one did not appear right away so I posted an abbreviated on below. The "save" option has not appeared to edit or delete the second post!!!
 
halljo said:
Question: let's say you ate your last meal of the day at 7pm and you didn't get to bed until 10pm... would having BCAA's to sip on during the night have any benefit? (Assume that protein was steady throughout the day and in a consistent manner).
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Probably not. I would go with just a shake or the sludge (whey + PB) mentioned above
 
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