Best test base for Epistane/Trenavar cycle

Feiwong said:
yates84 what about dropping Tren and do Epistane/Trest? Goal is mass/recomp. It would be my 2d cycle and worried running 2 methylated PH.
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Tren isn't methylated but trest is. I remember your first cycle, the brawn spawn stack; epi/tren. You can run the epi/trest, it's a great cycle with plenty of gains but be prepared for the estrogen sides. I think they're both great compounds and you can't go wrong either way.
 
yates84 said:
Tren isn't methylated but trest is. I remember your first cycle, the brawn spawn stack; epi/tren. You can run the epi/trest, it's a great cycle with plenty of gains but be prepared for the estrogen sides. I think they're both great compounds and you can't go wrong either way.
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yates84
Could be:
Epistane 30/45/45/45/45/45
Trest 50/50/75/75/100/100
Hawthonne berry
Liver protect
Dostinex 0,5 E3D
formestane as AI 100mg.........can't get arimidex or exermestane
what do you think?
 
Feiwong said:
yates84
Could be:
Epistane 30/45/45/45/45/45
Trest 50/50/75/75/100/100
Hawthonne berry
Liver protect
Dostinex 0,5 E3D
formestane as AI 100mg.........can't get arimidex or exermestane
what do you think?
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Looks solid. I've used formastane with trest, worked good for me. That epistane should help mitigate some of the estrogen sides as well. You will be happy with that cycle for sure.
 
Feiwong said:
yates84
What do you advice for a very good Pct for that cycle?
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Clomid 50/50/25/25
OL super pct ( label doses )
Epic unleashed ( label directions )
Possibly formeron if needed 0/0/0/0/100/100 to prevent rebound
 
yates84 said:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
OL super pct ( label doses )
Epic unleashed ( label directions )
Possibly formeron if needed 0/0/0/0/100/100 to prevent rebound
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yates84
2 other question my big bro
Super pct and EU from the start of clomid?
Timing dosage for Trest? My wo is about 12am
 
Feiwong said:
yates84
2 other question my big bro
Super pct and EU from the start of clomid?
Timing dosage for Trest? My wo is about 12am
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Uep, start super pct and epic unleashed right away with your clomid, you want to start recovering as soon as possible! What kind of trest are you using? Oral or td?
 
yates84 said:
Uep, start super pct and epic unleashed right away with your clomid, you want to start recovering as soon as possible! What kind of trest are you using? Oral or td?
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You tell me........I prefer oral cos' formestane is td, but I'm in your hand ;)
 
Feiwong said:
You tell me........I prefer oral cos' formestane is td, but I'm in your hand ;)
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Oral trest half life is super short, I would use td personally for more stable blood levels and better results. If using oral then space out as good as possible. If you work out at 12 then I would dose 1 cap pwo and do your other doses with breakfast and dinner.
 
yates84 said:
Oral trest half life is super short, I would use td personally for more stable blood levels and better results. If using oral then space out as good as possible. If you work out at 12 then I would dose 1 cap pwo and do your other doses with breakfast and dinner.
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Dosage for td instead? Can Trest cause trouble with sleep?
 
Td you can just split dose, once in the morning then again 12 hours later. Haven't heard too much about sleep issues on trest but it's always a possibility
 
T-Bone said:
Injects would be best. I've never used though, possession of hypodermic needles is illegal in my state. It is a Class D crime that is punishable by up to one year in jail and a $2000 fine.
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I'm from Italy and same trouble with law, but if had to choose injects I would go with AAS, but not interested at the moments
 
yates84 said:
Oral trest half life is super short, I would use td personally for more stable blood levels and better results. If using oral then space out as good as possible. If you work out at 12 then I would dose 1 cap pwo and do your other doses with breakfast and dinner.
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yates84
Td version of Trest OL is more complicated thinking to dose half pumps and with td formestane I'd go crazy with td dosage of both. So I think to choose the oral one with 3 dose: breakfast 7,30am pwo 11,30am, 3,30-4,00pm with some peanuts butter. Formestane td shower postwo and prebed. Can I take Epistane with Trest or better spaced out?
 
Feiwong said:
yates84
Td version of Trest OL is more complicated thinking to dose half pumps and with td formestane I'd go crazy with td dosage of both. So I think to choose the oral one with 3 dose: breakfast 7,30am pwo 11,30am, 3,30-4,00pm with some peanuts butter. Formestane td shower postwo and prebed. Can I take Epistane with Trest or better spaced out?
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Space it out would be my recommendation. But I'm kinda bro science on that stance
 
Feiwong, you could get an oral syringe and one of those fitted stopper things. Sorry I don't know the correct term for it. You take off the pump on the DermaTrest and put the stopper in the top of the bottle. Just invert the bottle and choose your dose. Remember to turn it back right side up after, otherwise it will spill. They do have auto seal ones but they are expensive unless you only get 1 or two of them.
 
T-Bone said:
Feiwong, you could get an oral syringe and one of those fitted stopper things. Sorry I don't know the correct term for it. You take off the pump on the DermaTrest and put the stopper in the top of the bottle, it will autoclose/seal also. Just invert the bottle and choose your dose.
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Ah ah, I thank you very much for the advice, is so funny that some brands put us to act like a chemical scientist :D
 
Feiwong said:
How come do you recommend that? And how much time?
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Well I figure that epi has a half life of 6 hours. Trest has a half life of around 2 hours so if you spaced the orals evenly through out the day you would have some compound in your system.
 
McCrew530 said:
Well I figure that epi has a half life of 6 hours. Trest has a half life of around 2 hours so if you spaced the orals evenly through out the day you would have some compound in your system.
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Yes I know the different half lite.........but for example if I take one dose of epi and trest prewo together?
 
McCrew530 said:
Well I figure that epi has a half life of 6 hours. Trest has a half life of around 2 hours so if you spaced the orals evenly through out the day you would have some compound in your system.
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Nope, 40 minutes and that's for injection.

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Also this, because some people I think mis-understand what "half-life" actually means.

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Feiwong said:
Ah ah, I thank you very much for the advice, is so funny that some brands put us to act like a chemical scientist :D
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Ok I looked it up. It's actually just called a "Bottle adapter". Just google 24mm bottle adapter, that's the size that fits the DermaTrest bottles. Get those and a few oral syringes and you'll be all set.
 
Feiwong said:
Yes I know the different half lite.........but for example if I take one dose of epi and trest prewo together?
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It's fine to do that I really don't think that you are going to see reduced results
 
Feiwong said:
If I could get Arimidex or exermestane which is the best with Trest and what dosage?
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Arimidex, try 0,5 every 3 day.
Aromasin/exemestane try 12,5 every 2 day.
I recommend exemestane.
But you can also do Arimidex on cycle, and include exemestane in your pct at 25 mg/day for 14 days.
Just did it, and highly recommend it:-)
 
Thank you so much but is very difficult in italy access to that..........my wife has won a breast cancer and her teraphy is Nolvadex, Her doctor can prescript only Nolva or Clomid.....very restrictive law here
 
I dump all my trest into a very small Tupperware container and pull from that with an oral syringe. Twice daily dosing of dermatrest is all you really need, td td carrier slowly let's the trest absorb into your skin and this process greatly increases the chances of you keeping stable blood levels throughout your cycle. You can take any of your ph/ds at any time that is convenient, taking cycle support at the same time is cool too. Cycle support will NOT effect the absorption of your ph (this is bro science). Do what is most convenient for you, too many dosing times will have you skipping doses or double dosing and you don't want that. I guess my ephedrine has kicked in and I'm rambling so I will shut up now :)
 
Feiwong said:
Thank you so much but is very difficult in italy access to that..........my wife has won a breast cancer and her teraphy is Nolvadex, Her doctor can prescript only Nolva or Clomid.....very restrictive law here
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I live in Norway, so if I can order it from the UK, so can you bro:-)
 
Damn it........the TD Trest is out of stock, the clock is ticking and with the time for delivery from UK to Italy I'm afraid not to start in time. I'll go with the oral version hoping to be satisfied. A last question, when to start the AI on cycle? At the start of Epi/Trest or after some weeks?
 
Some will start it day one and run it every 3 days. Some will only start it when sides show. In my opinion, it's all individually based. I just started Trest today. I will only add in my AI if and when sides start to show
 
jmyers said:
Some will start it day one and run it every 3 days. Some will only start it when sides show. In my opinion, it's all individually based. I just started Trest today. I will only add in my AI if and when sides start to show
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This is how I like to roll as well. Estrogen is great to have on cycle and should only be decreased if sides start to show.
 
yates84 said:
This is how I like to roll as well. Estrogen is great to have on cycle and should only be decreased if sides start to show.
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What you consider as sides of too much estrogen? Sorry to bother you with too many questions, but as you knows, I'm relatively new at PH.
 
Feiwong said:
What you consider as sides of too much estrogen? Sorry to bother you with too many questions, but as you knows, I'm relatively new at PH.
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Its no problem! These are questions you need to ask. If you get any excess bloating or nipple sensitivity, that's when I would use exemestane.
 
hamdysayed said:
u r new to ph?
Damn ur avi u look big that's all natty?
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Yes all natty. I ran only a cutting ph cycle this summer Epistane/Tren/Stano but was in CKD and few gains got. This was my condition after the cycle
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However I think genetic was kind to me, this is a picture when I was 18...........now almost 48.......sigh (the left guy is me)
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Whoa well damn u have good genetics for sure...
damn dude!
I couldn't handle epistane I thought it was cos I'm 31..
 
That's because Feiwong does things correctly I would guess. He obviously doesn't/didn't ever use AAS as a crutch. More people especially youngsters should follow his lead.
 
T-Bone said:
That's because Feiwong does things correctly I would guess. He obviously doesn't/didn't ever use AAS as a crutch. More people especially youngsters should follow his lead.
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You are right my friend, always followed diet, workouts and supplementation in a maniacal way. It is tought sometimes, but keep you forever young ;)
 
Feiwong said:
Damn it........the TD Trest is out of stock, the clock is ticking and with the time for delivery from UK to Italy I'm afraid not to start in time. I'll go with the oral version hoping to be satisfied. A last question, when to start the AI on cycle? At the start of Epi/Trest or after some weeks?
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The oral version is great man. No worries.
With tr3st, I would use a.I. from week 2. Start with the earlier mentioned dosage, and up the dose if estro sides come creeping :-)
I did 0,5 e3d on 75mg tr3st, and Upped to 0,5 e2d at 100mg tr3st, and had no problems/sides what so ever. Great cycle. In last week of pct, and kept everything (but the extreme pump) so far.
 
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