Tren the kiss of death

IRONPOPE said:
i am not trying to scare anyone off from TREN.... i had terrible sides with it.... some people dont....my pulse rate was sitting at 130 while i am not even moving on tren ace.... soon as it cleared out my system.. about 3 days.... pulse rate dropped back down to my normal 84..
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Did you take any BP meds while on? Lozartan is a great one with no sides. I don't touch gear without it.
 
A lot of guys are fine without Caber or Prami as long as Estrogen is in check. You always need to have one on hand though just in case.
 
DirtyWilly said:
Tren is oil based. The body expels oil through the lungs. This is believed to be what causes the tren cough and inflammation of the lungs. If lung function is continually impacted you would experience shortness of breath, increased body temperature (sweating), possible insomnia due to oxygen deprivation/co2 saturation, and increased pulmonary stresses on the heart. Any of these sound familiar? I'm no doctor, but a non-stimulate bronchial aid or something to reduce the inflammation might help.
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unless a compound is in an aqueous solution it is in some form of oil and solvent. If this were the reason that there is respiratory issues then all compounds aside from those in an aqueous solution would do the same.

Prostaglandins in tren cause bronchial constriction.
 
IRONPOPE said:
i take 25 mg a day bruh.... never touch gear without it ... u right on
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Good stuff! For heart rate I take a low dose of a beta blocker like propranolol. But it's usually just orals that get my heart racing these days. I usually just need a beta blocker for the first two weeks and then things normalize. I don't mess with orals these days anymore though. If I want a kickstart, I just opt for prop/ace.
 
David Dunn said:
unless a compound is in an aqueous solution it is in some form of oil and solvent. If this were the reason that there is respiratory issues then all compounds aside from those in an aqueous solution would do the same.

Prostaglandins in tren cause bronchial constriction.
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Hopefully you mean by injection. (Re)Crystallization or other purification and filtration procedures result in free compound most typically.
 
Newer study on tren vs test showing fat loss or prevention:

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But the conclusions are a bit of a stretch. Tren has some serious effects on the brain relating to aggression imo
 
The addition of gw1516 also fixes the cholesterol issues of tren. I went from 240 to 147 in 8 weeks.
 
Gutterpump said:
Did you take any BP meds while on? Lozartan is a great one with no sides. I don't touch gear without it.
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Do you guys just go to a doctor to get BP meds or what? Idk I'm just confused because like you see your doctor and everything's cool. Then you start looking jacked and come in with high blood pressure, acne or whatever else is going on. Can't they tell what you're doing? I mean you wouldn't just go from great BP to bad BP all do a sudden a doctor would be like "are you taking something"
 
I have Atenolol for an irregular heart beat a while back, that has since gone away, so I have plenty left plus two refills. I use it when my BP or heart rate gets too high. It works great for my heart rate. I've always had a high resting heart rate, so it isn't because of the Tren I'm on. I think the recent BP headaches is though.
 
JeremyNG25 said:
Do you guys just go to a doctor to get BP meds or what? Idk I'm just confused because like you see your doctor and everything's cool. Then you start looking jacked and come in with high blood pressure, acne or whatever else is going on. Can't they tell what you're doing? I mean you wouldn't just go from great BP to bad BP all do a sudden a doctor would be like "are you taking something"
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Well, I tell my doctor that I do a lot of public speaking at work and get nervous / locked up ;) Beta blockers are perfect for that or for any performance issues due to nervousness.

My doctor knows I'm on TRT and train, he doesn't question usage. I mean I would never go see him if I've gained 20# and then just say hey I need something for BP. But if you're a seasoned lifter, you won't gain 20lbs on any cycle anyhow.

I'm already on a BP med (lozartan) from my dr. I order extra from overseas (India) which is perfectly legal and just bump the dose.

I ask for the beta blocker before I start anything. It's all about preparation. If I'm not over-prepared, then I'd rather do nothing at all. I take my health seriously. I actually use the beta blocker for performances too sometimes lol... First time having sex with a new woman, sometimes when I'm DJing too but not drinking. Stuff like that. A lot of musicians get prescribed this stuff.
 
JeremyNG25 said:
Do you guys just go to a doctor to get BP meds or what? Idk I'm just confused because like you see your doctor and everything's cool. Then you start looking jacked and come in with high blood pressure, acne or whatever else is going on. Can't they tell what you're doing? I mean you wouldn't just go from great BP to bad BP all do a sudden a doctor would be like "are you taking something"
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Doctors have doctor patient confidentiality , if you have a doctor you think is going to judge you by your life decisions instead of make sure you doing whatever it is your doing safely , then you get a new doctor .
 
Can there be trouble with insurance later on if you have health problems and told your doctor about steroid use? That would be my main concern on being honest with a doctor, that he would put "uses steroids" in my file and I would end up with a health issue later and insurance won't cover it because I used illegal steroids lol.
 
Nah I don't think they can be used against you tbh idk something to talk to your doctor about , I can have that conversation with my doctor.
 
rascal14 said:
Can there be trouble with insurance later on if you have health problems and told your doctor about steroid use? That would be my main concern on being honest with a doctor, that he would put "uses steroids" in my file and I would end up with a health issue later and insurance won't cover it because I used illegal steroids lol.
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Your doctor will put on your record that you were hypertensive and prescribed hypertensive medication regardless of wether you told him you use or not.

Life insurance premiums for a high risk cardio vascular issues history are quite a bit more than without.
 
David Dunn said:
Your doctor will put on your record that you were hypertensive and prescribed hypertensive medication regardless of wether you told him you use or not.

Life insurance premiums for a high risk cardio vascular issues history are quite a bit more than without.
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Makes sense.. I feel like if he also put on record steroid use, it would sky rocket as well, but I could be wrong.
 
David Dunn said:
Your doctor will put on your record that you were hypertensive and prescribed hypertensive medication regardless of wether you told him you use or not.

Life insurance premiums for a high risk cardio vascular issues history are quite a bit more than without.
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Funny this comes up because we were recently talking about extending the amount of life insurance we have and our friend who is very high up in one of the largest national insurance companies, said most policies will be 8-10x more, if underwriting even approves, if there is any record of steroid use.

To openly discuss this is fairly ignorant.
 
Well that's good to know.. Looks like I need to make friends with a doctor who will keep that off the record! Lol
 
Yeah man, you need to sign a MIB, and that overrides HIPPA laws, so they have access to your records.
 
Nah man being in the health industry to make someone's insurance go up based on steroids would seem to be discrimination , as dun said cardio vascular issues will raise your premium regardless of use . It's like if you said you smoke cigarettes . I just don't know the specific ramifications of admiting steroid use but I doubt it would have higher implications then saying you were a smoker based on how it may effect your premium
 
Lol, OK. Go with that. I couldn't care less, but telling your doc you are taking steroids and then trying to get life insurance is a risk you are taking.
 
I personally don't see the reason in telling the doctor unless you're close and know he won't screw you over.. Sure it would help him help you, but you can tell a doctor your symptoms and it's their job to help you.. Just leave out the,"oh yeah I'm on Test and Tren."
 
The anti aging clinics around me don't really care.. As long as you test for low Test they will give you a script and whatever else you need with it. But that is outside of insurance.
 
rascal14 said:
The anti aging clinics around me don't really care.. As long as you test for low Test they will give you a script and whatever else you need with it. But that is outside of insurance.
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Oh yea that's right...outside of insurance..I'm pretty sure here in Florida you can pay to have blood work falsified as well...probably would cost a good amount though. I've heard of people doing that in west palm beach
 
JeremyNG25 said:
Oh yea that's right...outside of insurance..I'm pretty sure here in Florida you can pay to have blood work falsified as well...probably would cost a good amount though. I've heard of people doing that in west palm beach
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The things you can get with the right amount of money.. Lol
 
In NY state, you just need to be over 30 to get treated by an anti-aging clinic/doctor. No matter what the labs say. It's kinda nice.
 
Gutterpump said:
In NY state, you just need to be over 30 to get treated by an anti-aging clinic/doctor. No matter what the labs say. It's kinda nice.
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I contacted a clinic in Boca Raton Florida and they called me back. I was like "yea I'm 26 but I don't know if I have low T." He was like "doesn't matter just come in and meet with me." I told him I didnt think I was ready to take that step and he told me to call him if I decided I wanted this. He was very adamant about getting me on something lol. Next thing you know I'm receiving emails from the hormone clinic for stacks including NPP, Anavar, HCG, growth hormone and sermorelin that if I became a member would be delivered to my door as a special intro sale
 
JeremyNG25 said:
I contacted a clinic in Boca Raton Florida and they called me back. I was like "yea I'm 26 but I don't know if I have low T." He was like "doesn't matter just come in and meet with me." I told him I didnt think I was ready to take that step and he told me to call him if I decided I wanted this. He was very adamant about getting me on something lol. Next thing you know I'm receiving emails from the hormone clinic for stacks including NPP, Anavar, HCG, growth hormone and sermorelin that if I became a member would be delivered to my door as a special intro sale
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Perfect lol
 
JeremyNG25 said:
I contacted a clinic in Boca Raton Florida and they called me back. I was like "yea I'm 26 but I don't know if I have low T." He was like "doesn't matter just come in and meet with me." I told him I didnt think I was ready to take that step and he told me to call him if I decided I wanted this. He was very adamant about getting me on something lol. Next thing you know I'm receiving emails from the hormone clinic for stacks including NPP, Anavar, HCG, growth hormone and sermorelin that if I became a member would be delivered to my door as a special intro sale
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Nice
 
JeremyNG25 said:
I contacted a clinic in Boca Raton Florida and they called me back. I was like "yea I'm 26 but I don't know if I have low T." He was like "doesn't matter just come in and meet with me." I told him I didnt think I was ready to take that step and he told me to call him if I decided I wanted this. He was very adamant about getting me on something lol. Next thing you know I'm receiving emails from the hormone clinic for stacks including NPP, Anavar, HCG, growth hormone and sermorelin that if I became a member would be delivered to my door as a special intro sale
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Are you freaking kidding me? You're so lucky.
 
JeremyNG25 said:
I contacted a clinic in Boca Raton Florida and they called me back. I was like "yea I'm 26 but I don't know if I have low T." He was like "doesn't matter just come in and meet with me." I told him I didnt think I was ready to take that step and he told me to call him if I decided I wanted this. He was very adamant about getting me on something lol. Next thing you know I'm receiving emails from the hormone clinic for stacks including NPP, Anavar, HCG, growth hormone and sermorelin that if I became a member would be delivered to my door as a special intro sale
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Wtf anyone know about any of these clinics in Houston Texas lmao.
 
Thread is getting a lil hijacked to insurance premiums... not Tren usage and side effect
 
hamdysayed said:
Agreed, I ain't touching tren after reading this thread.
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i am still suffering sides with it... but its getting a lil better each day... its not for everybody. There is always good old fashioned TEST.. which has estrogen sides that can be handled with AI's and will do the same job... ... but none of the lung-lock, heart racing issues and anxiety that Tren can put u thru...
 
IRONPOPE said:
i am still suffering sides with it... but its getting a lil better each day... its not for everybody. There is always good old fashioned TEST.. which has estrogen sides that can be handled with AI's and will do the same job... ... but none of the lung-lock, heart racing issues and anxiety that Tren can put u thru...
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Oh yeah, i tried epistane and that was tough for me so imagine tren...
my resting heart rate pulse with epistane averaged about 80 and I was relaxed lol bp spikes that was intense too.
 
JeremyNG25 said:
I contacted a clinic in Boca Raton Florida and they called me back. I was like "yea I'm 26 but I don't know if I have low T." He was like "doesn't matter just come in and meet with me." I told him I didnt think I was ready to take that step and he told me to call him if I decided I wanted this. He was very adamant about getting me on something lol. Next thing you know I'm receiving emails from the hormone clinic for stacks including NPP, Anavar, HCG, growth hormone and sermorelin that if I became a member would be delivered to my door as a special intro sale
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Insane ! lol
 
My buddy was talked into test/tren for a first cycle. I told him he's an idiot and that it was a horrible idea. He lasted a week
 
afluck410 said:
My buddy was talked into test/tren for a first cycle. I told him he's an idiot and that it was a horrible idea. He lasted a week
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i am a veteran on cycles and it took me down.... but a VERY FIRST CYCLE.. when your androgen receptors have never tasted juice b4... omg.. he must have felt like death on a stick
 
Whacked said:
Insane ! lol
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These clinics are basically legal steroid dealers. Definitely not optimal for people needing legit TRT. When I first started with one, they wanted to put me on a starting dose of 250mg/week lol... Needless to say I followed my own protocol and halved that dose. 250mg/week is double the regular TRT dose for physiological levels.

Sorry OP, not trying to hijack!
 
Gutterpump said:
These clinics are basically legal steroid dealers. Definitely not optimal for people needing legit TRT. When I first started with one, they wanted to put me on a starting dose of 250mg/week lol... Needless to say I followed my own protocol and halved that dose. 250mg/week is double the regular TRT dose for physiological levels.

Sorry OP, not trying to hijack!
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Hey when it's taxed the government doesn't give two ****s these days
 
Gutterpump said:
These clinics are basically legal steroid dealers. Definitely not optimal for people needing legit TRT. When I first started with one, they wanted to put me on a starting dose of 250mg/week lol... Needless to say I followed my own protocol and halved that dose. 250mg/week is double the regular TRT dose for physiological levels.

Sorry OP, not trying to hijack!
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You have more resolve than me. I would have taken the 250 and let them know I still wasn't feeling like my old self quite yet and perhaps another 100mg might get me there and a little Var wouldn't hurt for my connective tissue issues :p

On a serious note, although these clinics are a total joke - one thing that would be nice is having access to human grade AAS and "legally" to quell the paranoia that comes w ordering, owning and using illicit UG Lab BS.
 
Whacked said:
You have more resolve than me. I would have taken the 250 and let them know I still wasn't feeling like my old self quite yet and perhaps another 100mg might get me there and a little Var wouldn't hurt for my connective tissue issues :p
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Oh trust me, I ran that for a while before switching it up. I also tested their deca out for 'joints'. For longterm cruising I prefer 120mg a week of test though. That's my feel good, everything works spot, with minimal need for an AI. The fewer ancillaries needed on TRT, the better.
 
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