Rebirth?
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Quads_of_Stee
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vujade
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I used it before i was a rep for BLR. The success of my BLR PCT is what made me want to rep for BLR.
Rebirth, in conjunction with a good AI & Test Booster, can be used as PCT for most mild cycles.
For heavier cycles, you may want to run your PCT for 6-8 weeks like I did.
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Rebirth, in conjunction with a good AI & Test Booster, can be used as PCT for most mild cycles.
For heavier cycles, you may want to run your PCT for 6-8 weeks like I did.
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LeanEngineer
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For me even if its a mild cycle I will use a serm but that's just me. I agree rebirth can replace a serm for mild cycles but definitley not for more harsh cycles.
Jebrook
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I used Rebirth and Viron as my PCT for a short Andro cycle. Worked like a charm. Libido and energy level improvement was apparent within days. Kept all weight gained over the short cycle and continued to gain. No bloods for me this time unfortunately. I plan to run a stacked methyl cycle very soon complete with blood labs.
T-Bone
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Ask on forum where it's sold, that'll get you the most useful and factual responses.
Volvo140G
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What kinda cycle we looking at!?!?
Jebrook
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A good one...lol.
Debating Triumph/Tren for 6 or Halo/Tren for 6. Plus Letrone/Prolactrone. Maybe 4 Andro or Dermacrine, or I may just try to tough it out.
vujade
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:whiner:
Volvo140G
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I can't NOT have clomid in my pct... boosts T levels too well. I'm gonna try clomid and include Rebirth in my next pct to see how she goes. Maybe like this:
Clomid 40/40/20/20
Rebirth 2/2/1/1/1/1
It'll be nice to have rebirth stretch out to 6 weeks IMO should estrogen do anything stupid... My fav pct includes clomid and nolva, subbing rebirth might be a winner.
Clomid 40/40/20/20
Rebirth 2/2/1/1/1/1
It'll be nice to have rebirth stretch out to 6 weeks IMO should estrogen do anything stupid... My fav pct includes clomid and nolva, subbing rebirth might be a winner.
ELROCK
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I cant say that I understand your response. Where else should he ask this if not here?
brundel
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Vujades lab results
DAY 1 to DAY 80 RESULTS:
718% increase in Total T
193% increase in LH
216% increase in FSH
Jebrook
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Lol. He's just bein T-Bone
. He means post the question in the BLR forum section here on AM, but no worries. We got you.
The_Old_Guy
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OP, if you can in anyway get an Rx/RC SERM, I would do so if you are messing with your HPTA with AAS/DS/PH at dosages/time lengths not on any label (and even then...).
62 to 229 in 30 days is not that great IMO. A chemical SERM would have had you at 1000+ in all likelihood.
The range is 348-1197. After 30 days, you were still below normal.
Taking almost 3 months to get to 445... I mean, some "old school" guys laugh at *any* PCT (listen to the 'PED Podcast'), saying you'll "recover" anyway, for the majority. The minority sucks to be in, in this case. Then there's the "gains kept" department...
BTW - Percentages are a sales tactic, IMO. Or: What would the percentage look like going from 62 to 1348? If you want to play that game
62 to 229 in 30 days is not that great IMO. A chemical SERM would have had you at 1000+ in all likelihood.
The range is 348-1197. After 30 days, you were still below normal.
Taking almost 3 months to get to 445... I mean, some "old school" guys laugh at *any* PCT (listen to the 'PED Podcast'), saying you'll "recover" anyway, for the majority. The minority sucks to be in, in this case. Then there's the "gains kept" department...
BTW - Percentages are a sales tactic, IMO. Or: What would the percentage look like going from 62 to 1348? If you want to play that game
brundel
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During testing we had several guys test levels increase from the 100-200 range to 750+ in 4 weeks.
Vujade had a few things working against him.
1 cycle duration
2. Compounds run...for example trest which is HIGHLY suppressive
3. Age
4. pre cycle test level.
Post PCT his test level was above his pre cycle numbers. He started with a damaged endocrine system and If I recall correctly his total T pre cycle was like 400 and post it was above this.
Its true clomid can raise test levels to over 1000 in some instances but I doubt under these specific circumstances.
Vujade had a few things working against him.
1 cycle duration
2. Compounds run...for example trest which is HIGHLY suppressive
3. Age
4. pre cycle test level.
Post PCT his test level was above his pre cycle numbers. He started with a damaged endocrine system and If I recall correctly his total T pre cycle was like 400 and post it was above this.
Its true clomid can raise test levels to over 1000 in some instances but I doubt under these specific circumstances.
Jebrook
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If...you can get a Pharmacy grade SERM. That is a big IF. I've tried and I can't do it legally. I've used RC's and had some that were underdosed. Others have received something else entirely labeled as Nolva or Clomid and with no clue as to what's in that little bottle of colored liquid. That is like playing Russian Roulette. If I had legal access to a Pharma grade SERM I would use that every time but I and most others do not have legal access. That is the key to Rebirth's importance to me. I know exactly what I'm taking and that I will recover and keep gains. Notice, I'm not arguing it is more effective, but rather a solid reliable option for me. I can dose my pills whenever and wherever I want. No stigma, no shadiness, and it works for me.
Blergs
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actually it will give you the most bias and worthless real feed back.... alot are reps and/or under cover reps or just push it due to being sponsor.... i would actually ask in places it is not sold or atleast many other products of that type are sold.
personally i would never do a PCT with anything other than clomid and/or tamox, then maybe that stuff following.
but i cant personally comment on that product, im on hrt now and havent used it
Blergs
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thats such a bs statement man.... yes there are alot of crappy RC shops, same goes for supp shops... i use CEM for many years now, along with a couple others, they have been around for many yrs and i assure you there are top quality and have quality control or i would not use or rec them. thats just an asinine statement man... i understand you have your shop but making such a generalized statement just makes you look silly...
ps, "not for human use" is for legal reasons and anyone with half a brain knows that. its a way of getting actual KNOWN TESTED AND TRUE compounds to "researchers" that need it.. i take offense because even on HRT i use RC AI and other compounds that otherwise would be a hassle to get...
brundel
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I used to do the same. Ive been on HRT for over a decade now and I used RC chems for a long time.
I have probably used a dozen of them or more. Sometimes you get decent stuff. More often I got product that failed to work. I know this because I run bi monthly labs and Im on HRT so when my gyno flares and my estrogen triples in 3 weeks somethings not right. SInce my HRT dose is static and the only thing that changes is the RC chems its this thats the culprit. Also the story regarding me getting clen labeled as nolva is true. I could have died.
I understand you not liking me making a blanket statement that ALL are garbage but lets say most. The problem is they dont test their chems so they have no idea if what they are putting in the bottle is right or not. They just order the cheapest stuff they can find from china and mix it up in their garage. I know personally 2 of the larger RC company owners and trust me when I say you would NEVER buy an RC chem if you knew what was going on with them. Its not intended to offend and its not intended as a sales pitch. My products will sell regardless. Its intended to hopefully prevent someone else from visiting the ER like I had to. Take it for whatever its worth bro.
T-Bone
Banned
That was actually my point. I'm not always a wise ass, but in this case I was. It doesn't make much sense. It's like going into GNC and asking if GNC products work. Or going to Burger King and asking the owner if Burger King is good or is McDonalds better. It's just retarded. If you want a fair and valuable opinion ask at a place where the product is not sold, and not where there are people that work for the company or even the company owner reside.
It's like going into GNC and saying, "I have $500 cash, should I spend it in here, or go next door to Vitamin Shoppe?"
Jebrook
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So flip side of that is that it pertains to you as well and any other company rep that answers questions about their own products. Think about that. If I can't ask you or anyone on this forum legit questions about a supplement why would I bother with this forum. I gave this guy a feedback based on my experience with Rebirth. I've used it. It earned a spot in my lineup. No one's trying to put it in yours. Carry on with your SERMs. No ill will for that. But if someone wants to know something about Rebirth or any of our products or anybody else's for that matter I try to give real unbiased feedback. That's a big reason for this forum to exist is education and experimentation with supplements, or does that only apply to certain brands?
ELROCK
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^ exactly ^ thats why his comment was so odd to me. Like since it wasnt a question about SNS then it is ridiculous to ask it here on AM lmao
T-Bone
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I come to the forum not for reviews on supplements, but to get some amazing deals and find out about new products. If I want to find out if a product is good or not I go to multiple sources. You have kinda missed the whole point I was trying to make. Sure you can come on here and ask questions about a supplement, any supplement, but I wouldn't use it as my only source of information. Use Google. Search. Don't take everything you see on any forum at face value. If you do, well then I feel sorry for you and your finances.
StanleyG
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I dont know, the RC company I use has literally 6 + years of my labs showing their products are legit and of good quality. Then again they have been around longer than just about anyone and I do pay what might be considered a premium for some of the products but I dont care. Those 6+ years of labs make it worth every dime I spend. They have their own chemist, they dont buy premixed gallon jugs from China and crap like that. They buy quality, tested raws and have a true chemist in lab conditions manufacture the rc's. Not some bathtub gin like place or some mystery liquid from china in a gallon jug shipped in marked floor cleaner ! LOL
Honestly if you do the things you do with your supp company you say I consider you about on par with my RC company. I also consider the majority of the other supplement companies, on par with the rest of those other rc companies you spoke of. I dont think either industry has one up on the other. I think both are pretty shady and corrupt and put the well being of the customer well below profit margins when it comes to priorities.
Pretty disgusting but true.
I guess my point is this- the 2 industries on scale, are about the same. Most arent doing what you or what my rc supplier are doing. Most are out to make a buck first. What most dont realize is if they did things the right way the money would come, and come, and come.
baxtecal
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I'd think morning because estrogen is highest then, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Maybe someone can clarify.
pfresh
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If you were thinking of running Legend lgd for 8 weeks at 4, 4, 4, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8 would rebirth be adequate for pct and what would the dosing be like 1 cap or two a day and for one month or two?
Jebrook
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I am very confident in Rebirth for that cycle! 2 caps everyday for four weeks(1bottle
).
pfresh
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I am very confident in Rebirth for that cycle! 2 caps everyday for four weeks(1bottle
Sweet thanks man, if i go ahead won't be until January. im thinking about doing an exotherm run for 6 weeks up until i go on vacation, would probably start beginning of November, after i finish epic/strength standalone log,will probably log it too, as a stand alone. If i do it will post before and after pics, been cutting hard already. Where do you think would be the best place to purchase exotherm?
Volvo140G
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grab it from Nutriverse, use code AM5 for 5% off! there's also first time/returning customer discounts
allbrawn
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Any bloods?
allbrawn
Member
Damn that's disappointing to hear.
I was counting on rebirth to help me recover after my osta run. I have about 1 week left of pct which included rebirth and sup3r pct.
gator67
Member
I believe it's probably more more based on individual compounds. Osta is pretty easy to recover from. I used rebirth/viron after my last osta run(20mg-6 weeks) and I recovered quickly and have confidence to use it again. That being said I will use a serm for future runs of harsher compounds. Also, no bloods, just going by libido/performance/ and general well being. This was my second osta run and I definitely recovered more quickly than first when I used Super3 alone. Stacking both you should be G2G.
M.I.D
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But I think vijade had poor bloods after 4 weeks and improved bloods a after 8 weeks. So I think this compound personally is useful for a much longer pct. although I do think pct should be 6 week at least tbh.
Currently running nolva clomid and aromasin and my balls are huge, erections great, very spotty which isn't a good thing but shows test is raised. I've run this because I feel the rebirth pct failed
Currently running nolva clomid and aromasin and my balls are huge, erections great, very spotty which isn't a good thing but shows test is raised. I've run this because I feel the rebirth pct failed
vujade
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Yes, my blood work came back low after 4 weeks. My total test was only 62 on the last day of my cycle.
But was fully recovered after 8 weeks of rebirth.
brundel
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After 8 weeks Vujades test levels were above his pre cycle numbers. Still not super high but better than before he started the cycle. Which means full recovery.
Some peoples HPTA functions better than others.
Some peoples potential is much greater and they see larger increases when running serms.
Ultimately I would not think running a SERM only for PCT is a good idea. You want a SERM and an AI. Always.
So allbrawn Rebirth will be more than sufficient, however, I would not use it alone. You want Letrone to keep estrogen in check and further increase test levels. SERMS do not lower estrogen. We want both Rebirth=SERM and Letrone=AI for PCT.
Even better is to add VIRON.
Some peoples HPTA functions better than others.
Some peoples potential is much greater and they see larger increases when running serms.
Ultimately I would not think running a SERM only for PCT is a good idea. You want a SERM and an AI. Always.
So allbrawn Rebirth will be more than sufficient, however, I would not use it alone. You want Letrone to keep estrogen in check and further increase test levels. SERMS do not lower estrogen. We want both Rebirth=SERM and Letrone=AI for PCT.
Even better is to add VIRON.
M.I.D
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I agree with brundel, it has to be run with an AI and I always run with an AI to further increase test levels.
I believe rebirth is something that will slowly increase your levels, maybe this is better tbh as gives your body more chance to adjust to things when coming off, rather than a big drop off from a big pct....... If this makes sense at all lol
I believe rebirth is something that will slowly increase your levels, maybe this is better tbh as gives your body more chance to adjust to things when coming off, rather than a big drop off from a big pct....... If this makes sense at all lol