1st PH cycle advise
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fitfreak1904
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Age, hieght weight?
What dosage are you running it at?
What does your PCT and cycle support look like?
What dosage are you running it at?
What does your PCT and cycle support look like?
LocoGato
New member
I'm 22 1/2, 6'1 and weight 194ish.
Plan on running:
Epi 20/30/40/30/20
1-Andro 50/100/100/100/50
cycle support: Blockade, fish oil
Pct: Competitive Edge Labs PCT Assist
along with proper nutrition and protein supplements.
How does this look? Looking for everyones opinion.
Also debating if I should run 4-andro instead of the Epi?
Whats your opinion on beginner cycles?
Plan on running:
Epi 20/30/40/30/20
1-Andro 50/100/100/100/50
cycle support: Blockade, fish oil
Pct: Competitive Edge Labs PCT Assist
along with proper nutrition and protein supplements.
How does this look? Looking for everyones opinion.
Also debating if I should run 4-andro instead of the Epi?
Whats your opinion on beginner cycles?
yates84
Well-known member
Don't taper down your dose, you are cheating yourself out of gains! I would run just epi or do the 1/4 andro stack, epi and 1 andro sounds like a very lethargic cycle. You also need a serm for pct. No serm no cycle
bighulksmash
Legend
@ phwsupplements we have all those on sale 
also some new OL products. You could run each of those @ 300 to 600 mgs daily. I ran both at 400 with some crazy gains , i leaned out and my libido was through the roof.
also some new OL products. You could run each of those @ 300 to 600 mgs daily. I ran both at 400 with some crazy gains , i leaned out and my libido was through the roof.
deepseajs
Active member
Run it for 6-8 weeks imo. Start at 300mg for 2-3 weeks and see how it goes then up it if you want. It's a very mild cycle but I am seeing very good strength gains and losing body fat with hardly any sides besides a very decreased libido. Make sure your diet is on point and you should get some results.
yates84
Well-known member
^^good advice. Just get a serm for pct and exemestane to have on hand in case of any high estrogen sides and you will be gtg
The Yolkster
Banned
Just run epistane for 6 weeks, definitely grab a serm and be ready to buy an ai if you rebound. Halodrol or promag would also be good since there is no rebound.
futuredesign
New member
Ya just go with the epistane for 5-6 weeks. If you really want to add a test base, go with 4 ad rather than 1 ad, i think 4 ad is less lethargic. Or even dermacrine. My first cycle was H drol (mild like epi) and a topical test base, and it was a great starter cycle. The key to a good cycle is to drink a gallon of water a day and take your vitamins and cycle support. Your liver needs the water as well as your rapidly growing muscles. Water is the best liver detoxification known to man. and it helps with lethargy and blood pressure as well.
Nolva or Clomid and creatine for PCT, Have an AI on hand just in case since its your first cycle, you dont know how your body will react to the prohormone. Although Epi is already anti E... I like to use vasodiolaters, Testofen and Over The Counter natural AI (trans resveritrol and some others) after PCT, as well as more creatine and Universals GH MAX.
The more cycle support you take advantage of, the better your cycle will be. Water is the best cycle support, followed by spending a bunch more money on other supplements, which is the name of the game..
Nolva or Clomid and creatine for PCT, Have an AI on hand just in case since its your first cycle, you dont know how your body will react to the prohormone. Although Epi is already anti E... I like to use vasodiolaters, Testofen and Over The Counter natural AI (trans resveritrol and some others) after PCT, as well as more creatine and Universals GH MAX.
The more cycle support you take advantage of, the better your cycle will be. Water is the best cycle support, followed by spending a bunch more money on other supplements, which is the name of the game..
LocoGato
New member
Okay, so I've decided to take a different route than previously stated.
I chose 1 and 4 andro by primeval labs for 4 weeks, I feel like this should be a good introduction cycle for me.
In cycle:
1-andro
4-andro
Cycle Assist by CEL
Fish Oil
D3 (just for immune system and bone health)
Next comes my post cycle.
I'd like to run Clomid, but I'm uneducated on what good brand of clomid is.
Ill be buying an AI as well.
Should I get DHEA?
Should I use Cycle Assist during my pct too?
Thanks guys.
I chose 1 and 4 andro by primeval labs for 4 weeks, I feel like this should be a good introduction cycle for me.
In cycle:
1-andro
4-andro
Cycle Assist by CEL
Fish Oil
D3 (just for immune system and bone health)
Next comes my post cycle.
I'd like to run Clomid, but I'm uneducated on what good brand of clomid is.
Ill be buying an AI as well.
Should I get DHEA?
Should I use Cycle Assist during my pct too?
Thanks guys.
MBZ
Member
I would extend the cycle to 6 weeks since it is such a mild cycle and gains won't really be noticable until 2-3 weeks.
I would not bother with dhea personally.
You could use cycle assist through pct if you have enough. You aren't running very harsh compounds so I wouldn't stress it if you run out during pct.
I would definitely use clomid, and always good to have an ai on hand. Both can be found with a little research pretty easily. As far as brands, I'm not up to date with research, but if you read around and look at various reviews and cross reference, it's very easy to source just about anything you need.
Other than that looks like a good intro cycle. With diet nailed in you should be pleased with your results. Best of luck!
I would not bother with dhea personally.
You could use cycle assist through pct if you have enough. You aren't running very harsh compounds so I wouldn't stress it if you run out during pct.
I would definitely use clomid, and always good to have an ai on hand. Both can be found with a little research pretty easily. As far as brands, I'm not up to date with research, but if you read around and look at various reviews and cross reference, it's very easy to source just about anything you need.
Other than that looks like a good intro cycle. With diet nailed in you should be pleased with your results. Best of luck!
hamdysayed
Well-known member
Be prepared for bp spike, and def don't bother with low dosed 4 dhea when there is 4 dhea like andro the giant out there best dosed 4 dhea out there .
PRELOAD cycle assist I made this mistake n I paid the price with blood pressure spikes.
have an AI on hand incase of a rebound gyno from clomid.
PRELOAD cycle assist I made this mistake n I paid the price with blood pressure spikes.
have an AI on hand incase of a rebound gyno from clomid.
DonnieM
Active member
IMO your too young to already be running PHs. At your age the body is full of testosterone and growth hormones as it is. Also it sounds like you have some more reading up on the subject to do, about cycles in general, cycle length, serms etc. But ofc it's all up to you. Also, why not consider a sarm like LGD instead?
Not trying to be a jerk, just helping out
Not trying to be a jerk, just helping out
hamdysayed
Well-known member
IMO your too young to already be running PHs. At your age the body is full of testosterone and growth hormones as it is. Also it sounds like you have some more reading up on the subject to do, about cycles in general, cycle length, serms etc. But ofc it's all up to you. Also, why not consider a sarm like LGD instead?
Not trying to be a jerk, just helping out
Oh I forgot to Completely say that..... harness what u got at this age then think about ph etc don't jump the gun that early.
T-Bone
Banned
IMO your too young to already be running PHs. At your age the body is full of testosterone and growth hormones as it is. Also it sounds like you have some more reading up on the subject to do, about cycles in general, cycle length, serms etc. But ofc it's all up to you. Also, why not consider a sarm like LGD instead?
Not trying to be a jerk, just helping out
Kinda sucks that in this day and age you can't tell people the truth, otherwise your a "hater". Everyone is so sensitive like a women. You're not being a jerk, your just telling him what he needs to hear.
yates84
Well-known member
A sarm like ostarine or lgd wouldn't be a bad first cycle either, a good way to get your feet wet and see what anabolics are all about. A natural anabolic like epicatechin or laxogenin would be a great idea for you at your current age. They are natural anabolics that have no effect on the hpta, perfect for a younger guy that is looking for an edge
bighulksmash
Legend
8 to 12 weeks depending on how you heal and wat you eat . Make sure u sleep 10 hrs a day . You can still train legs and abs ...
yates84
Well-known member
Duct tape hand to bar and keep lifting! Seriously though, shouldn't be more than a few weeks and a knuckle should be good enough to train easy
T-Bone
Banned
Guess that's just life bein' Loco!.
LocoGato
New member
Im wearing a cast until October 20th. So turned out not as bad as expected.
In the mean time I'll be doing a lot of zercher squats and abs.
I'm considering running androvar for 6 weeks and andro the giant for 4 weeks. Implementing andro 2 weeks after starting androvar.
I'm guessing I'll need an AI?
I'll be using cycle support, post cycle 3x and daa for sure.
What's your opinion on this?
In the mean time I'll be doing a lot of zercher squats and abs.
I'm considering running androvar for 6 weeks and andro the giant for 4 weeks. Implementing andro 2 weeks after starting androvar.
I'm guessing I'll need an AI?
I'll be using cycle support, post cycle 3x and daa for sure.
What's your opinion on this?
bighulksmash
Legend
Why the daa ? Its impossible to work chest until cast is off . You would have good results running Ghar1ne and lj100 . It would prime you for returning to weights. "Imo" watch it with pain meds they can dump your test levels.