Trenavar, Epistane recomp log - with tons of pills, drops and lotions

Day 30

Upped dosage again to 120mg Trenavar/40mg Epistane.
No strength gain but seeing changes in body composition.
Great workout today, digging deep into GVT.
10 sets of Chin ups followed by 10 sets of under hand rowing, then 10 sets close grip lat pulls, afterwards pumping the biceps into submission.

Insomnia persists, waking up several times at night, sweating. Some lethargy during the day, BP still up with pressure on eyes and mild headache.
Will cut calories down from 2000 to 1800 kcal, love handles have to go, now or never!
 
Also look into rest pause training, I just started looking into it again and I might just stick with it throughout my bulk. Glad GVT is doing you good, its isn't really for strength but more for quick size.
 
rascal14 said:
At night when you wake up are you feeling anxious any or just like you aren't tired enough to sleep?
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Racing thoughts and sweating. I'm tired but can't sleep. Tonight I'll try Phenibut, that should help.
 
Day 31

Shoulders,Legs

Did GVT, got crippling pumps in shoulders. Tomorrow is deadlift, arms and abs, have to remind me to take the damn Taurine.
 
If you go a full 10x10 then that's crazy. I was taking 6g of Taurine a day on Tbol and couldn't do more than 3 sets before the back pumps immobilized me lol
 
rascal14 said:
If you go a full 10x10 then that's crazy. I was taking 6g of Taurine a day on Tbol and couldn't do more than 3 sets before the back pumps immobilized me lol
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Hehehe, never tried GVT-dead's. I plan do them with 200 lbs and go all the way. Will report how it went tomorrow.
CJNator , no buckets at my gym, will leave my water bottle empty, just in case. LOL
 
Day 32

Deads, Arms, Shrugs

Well...
GVT deads was a bad idea, LOL
After the initial 10 reps, I couldn't stand straight up anymore. WTH? It's called back pumps but should be called: "hit by a train".
Did all the other exercises sitting.

This cycle is weird. My strength got down , like 20%. For instance: Chin ups before cycle: 9/8/8 ; after 6/6/6. Dips: 16/14/14 ; now 14/10/10.
But my body is changing for the better:

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No point in doing more than 7 x 10 on Deads. Whether on cycle or back pumps are an issue. And wouldn't even make it a strenuous 7 x 10. More of a form check and control for that many reps.
 
When do you usually do those exercises? If you do them after GVT you might not be 100% even on Tren and epi you just might be tired. Have you weighted yourself? Maybe if your loosing fat but gaining weight, its still may impact your BW movements.
 
CJNator said:
When do you usually do those exercises? If you do them after GVT you might not be 100% even on Tren and epi you just might be tired. Have you weighted yourself? Maybe if your loosing fat but gaining weight, its still may impact your BW movements.
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I tried rested and always go the first set full power, then GVT, that's how I noted the strength loss.
My cat broke my scale. It was a glass scale and it shattered into a million pieces when my cat somehow ran into it.
I highly doubt that I'm gaining weight, my pants got wider and my upper body smaller. Diet is currently 1800 kcal, no way gaining weight on this.
A friend said, that looking at my back, he doesn't see love handles anymore, can't confirm this, as I rarely see my back,lol.

Strength loss may be do to dehydration, lethargy is getting worse too.
I'm contemplating the idea of dropping Dermacrine and 4-AD and to introduce Tr3st for the last 3 weeks with an AI at low dose.
What do you think Dma378 and CJNator ?
 
hairygrandpa said:
I tried rested and always go the first set full power, then GVT, that's how I noted the strength loss.
My cat broke my scale. It was a glass scale and it shuttered into a million pieces when my cat somehow ran into it.
I highly doubt that I'm gaining weight, my pants got wider and my upper body smaller. Diet is currently 1800 kcal, no way gaining weight on this.
A friend said, that looking at my back, he doesn't see love handles anymore, can't confirm this, as I rarely see my back,lol.

Strength loss may be do to dehydration, lethargy is getting worse too.
I'm contemplating the idea of dropping Dermacrine and 4-AD and to introduce Tr3st for the last 3 weeks with an AI at low dose.
What do you think Dma378 and CJNator ?
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Hmmm I'm going to leave this for Dma, IMO though dehydration may be the case because of epi and the night sweats.
 
I would credit the low cals to loss of strength. 1800 is pretty low man. I know the goal is to drop some BF, so you in a way have to come to terms that loss of strength is going to come with that. Believe me, if you turned it around and started hammering 3000 a day and at least 300g carbs a day, the strength would start building again.

It's the ebb and flow of training.

I have never cut that aggressively, and my TDEE has probably never been as high as your's might be. Not sure for your age what your's should be. So I never experienced a huge drop in strength. The last time I truly cut, I only ate 200 below maintenance, did a modified GVT on an Ostar1ne cycle. GVT will cause you to lose strength as well. Again the ebb and flow of training. Sacrificing constant heavy weight for volume. It doesn't take any time to lose strength if you abandon it. And I'm sure the older we get, the faster that loss occurs.

As far as introducing Tr3st, I mean it is a fast acting compound especially oral. So would it serve well for 3 weeks. Probably.
 
Dma378 said:
I would credit the low cals to loss of strength. 1800 is pretty low man. I know the goal is to drop some BF, so you in a way have to come to terms that loss of strength is going to come with that. Believe me, if you turned it around and started hammering 3000 a day and at least 300g carbs a day, the strength would start building again.

It's the ebb and flow of training.

I have never cut that aggressively, and my TDEE has probably never been as high as your's might be. Not sure for your age what your's should be. So I never experienced a huge drop in strength. The last time I truly cut, I only ate 200 below maintenance, did a modified GVT on an Ostar1ne cycle. GVT will cause you to lose strength as well. Again the ebb and flow of training. Sacrificing constant heavy weight for volume. It doesn't take any time to lose strength if you abandon it. And I'm sure the older we get, the faster that loss occurs.

As far as introducing Tr3st, I mean it is a fast acting compound especially oral. So would it serve well for 3 weeks. Probably.
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Figured that my TDEE is low, like 2200 kcal max. I sit in front of a computer all day and with exception of 90 min workout, 5 days a week, I do not move much.
Will increase cals to 2000 again and add the Tr3st. Would you stop using Dermacrine ?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Figured that my TDEE is low, like 2200 kcal max. I sit in front of a computer all day and with exception of 90 min workout, 5 days a week, I do not move much.
Will increase cals to 2000 again and add the Tr3st. Would you stop using Dermacrine ?
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Depends on what you plan on running the Tr3st at. Tr3st at 50, keep the Dermacrine. 75-100, would drop it.
 
Day 34

Third day on Tr3st.
I feel less lethargic and "little johnny" is lifting his head up.

Daily pills and lotions after changes:

Trenavar/Epistane 120/40
Trest: 45mg (3x15mg)
Adex: 0.5mg EOD
Dermacrine: -off- (for now)
4-AD -off-
Cardar1ne: 14mg
Inhibit-P
Cycle support
Fish oil
Joint support

Will report back after gym.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 34

Third day on Tr3st.
I feel less lethargic and "little johnny" is lifting his head up.

Daily pills and lotions after changes:

Trenavar/Epistane 120/40
Trest: 45mg (3x15mg)
Adex: 0.5mg EOD
Dermacrine: -off- (for now)
4-AD -off-
Cardar1ne: 14mg
Inhibit-P
Cycle support
Fish oil
Joint support

Will report back after gym.
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Awesome!!

What brand Trest are you using?
 
Dma378 said:
Awesome!!

What brand Trest are you using?
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Brawn... could not find other brand on ebay, hoping it's legit.
As you already know, I live in South America and can only purchase using paypal. Most of the supplement sites will reject my credit card.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Brawn... could not find other brand on ebay, hoping it's legit.
As you already know, I live in South America and can only purchase using paypal. Most of the supplement sites will reject my credit card.
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Well sounds like it may be working on you already!!
 
Day 34

Today with an "on" feeling and good aggression.
Chest/Triceps

Finally a good workout, I was pumping like a porn star. Pause between sets 30 sec.

Dips 7 sets 18/14/14/12/11/9/7
Incline bench 7 sets 2x55 DB 13/12/12/12/10/8/8
flat DB press 7 sets 2x55 DB 12/11/10/9+1/9+1/8/6
Cable flyes 7 sets 2x30 10/10/10/8/9/8/7
Cable chest press 7 sets 2x40 12/12/12/12/12/10/6+1
Triceps cable push down 7 sets 55 10/10/9/8/7/5/5 (no strength left)
Triceps machine 5 sets (gym closed, no time left). max weight ? 6/6/5/4+1/4+1

My first impression is, the Trest did the trick, Dermacrine and 4-AD was not enough as a test base.
 
I think when two or more of the harsher compounds are stacked together, you need Trest or actual Test to really keep your energy and libido up.

Stano at 1500mg did nothing for lethargy and hardly anything for libido for me on Tren and Msten.
 
Comparison after a month on cycle:


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Still not Batman, but bigger as Robin for sure.
 
Hell yea man, you definitely look more solid and you lost a great amount of fat around your waste!
 
I just saw your post in the other thread about TRT. Are you still going to PCT after this or go straight into TRT?
 
rascal14 said:
I just saw your post in the other thread about TRT. Are you still going to PCT after this or go straight into TRT?
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First PCT.

I will recomping until I'm under 20% BF before initiating TRT, This will take a while and some Ostarine too.
It's not a good idea to go on test while fat, as you sure know. Besides, I can get gear here cheaper then PH's or Sarms, so why on earth should I struggle through harsh sides and PCT?
I have 2 kids already (that I know of, could be more), no need for nuts anymore, lol.
 
That you know of lol but yeah that's understandable! I can get 5 weeks of test at 500mg cheaper than 4 weeks of these weak pro hormones.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 23

Took yesterday off.

Today was an amazing workout, I kept going like the Duracell Bunny. My body is hardening up, still far from visible abs, but getting more firm.

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Will tighten up my calorie intake to a strict 2000 kcal for the remaining 20+ days on cycle.
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Looking awesome! So jealous of your closet! I folded all my clothes last night and had nowhere to put them (closet's all full). :girl problems:
 
puccah8808 said:
Looking awesome! So jealous of your closet! I folded all my clothes last night and had nowhere to put them (closet's all full). :girl problems:
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Awww, we have enough space in my house, come and live with us!
My wife is the "sharing type".

:stups:
 
Day 35

Back/Biceps

BP shot up during the day but settled in the afternoon.
Got a sudden erection at the gym while doing pull ups. Changed my workout in an instant to sitting cable rows.
The girl I was watching wasn't even a beauty, like puccah8808 .
My wife will be "punished" for this tonight.
Overall a good workout, 5 exercises, 7 sets ,
Strength is going up again, did pull ups: 8/8/8....cable rows,hiding "willy"...8/7+1/7/6+1 .
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 35

Back/Biceps

BP shot up during the day but settled in the afternoon.
Got a sudden erection at the gym while doing pull ups. Changed my workout in an instant to sitting cable rows.
The girl I was watching wasn't even a beauty, like puccah8808 .
My wife will be "punished" for this tonight.
Overall a good workout, 5 exercises, 7 sets ,
Strength is going up again, did pull ups: 8/8/8....cable rows,hiding "willy"...8/7+1/7/6+1 .
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That's the worse lol! I've never gotten one while lifting but while I was doing cardio a couple of times.
 
Day 37

BP still high, headache, strain on eyes. Insomnia getting better.


Shoulders/Legs

DB standing shoulder press: 2x55 lbs 9/9/8/8/7/6/6
shoulder press machine : 110 lbs 8/6/6/6/6/5/5
bent over rear delt DB rises: 2x22 lbs 10/10/9/7/7/6/7
DB Front rises: 2x33lbs 11/11/10/10/9/10/9
DB side rises: 2x33 lbs 9/9/9/8/6/6/6
cable side rises: 20 lbs 10/9/10/9/7/9/8

Knees hurt, skipped legs and did bicycle 12 min
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 37

BP still high, headache, strain on eyes. Insomnia getting better.


Shoulders/Legs

DB standing shoulder press: 2x55 lbs 9/9/8/8/7/6/6
shoulder press machine : 110 lbs 8/6/6/6/6/5/5
bent over rear delt DB rises: 2x22 lbs 10/10/9/7/7/6/7
DB Front rises: 2x33lbs 11/11/10/10/9/10/9
DB side rises: 2x33 lbs 9/9/9/8/6/6/6
cable side rises: 20 lbs 10/9/10/9/7/9/8

Knees hurt, skipped legs and did bicycle 12 min
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Wow you BP that high on GW? What else are you on for BP?
 
CJNator said:
Wow you BP that high on GW? What else are you on for BP?
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Yep, BP was 155/93 and dropped a bit in the afternoon. I'm taking only GW and "Cycle assist".
At 160 and up , I will take a beta blocker.
 
Beta-blockers are drugs used to treat high blood pressure. They block the effects of the sympathetic nervous system on the heart. This reduces the work of the heart so that it requires less blood and oxygen. As a result, the heart doesn't have to work as hard, which in turn lowers blood pressure. Beta-blockers help control heart rate and are also used in the treatment of abnormal heart rhythms that may too fast or irregular.
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Sadly, a side effect of Beta Blockers is: They block c*ck too. Not only BP goes down, if you know what I mean...
 
rascal14 said:
Just get some Cialis.. Best of both worlds ��
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Dosing every 5 minutes a beta blocker, then Cialis should make for a perfect workout.

Duct-taping a very small DB to my willy, then:

...hangs-up-hangs-up-hangs-up.....

I already see some veins popping!
 
Dma378 said:
A blocker that's beta than the rest
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Lmaoooo!

hairygrandpa said:
Beta-blockers are drugs used to treat high blood pressure. They block the effects of the sympathetic nervous system on the heart. This reduces the work of the heart so that it requires less blood and oxygen. As a result, the heart doesn't have to work as hard, which in turn lowers blood pressure. Beta-blockers help control heart rate and are also used in the treatment of abnormal heart rhythms that may too fast or irregular.
-source webmd-

Sadly, a side effect of Beta Blockers is: They block c*ck too. Not only BP goes down, if you know what I mean...
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Oh ok and hopefully the trest will help you out in that department!
 
Day 39

Decided to pull the plug on this cycle.

Pro:
-Lost fat around waist and upper body

Cons:
-Lethargy
-no strength gains
-libido roller coaster
-night sweats
-insomnia
-elevated BP
-joint pain

What I learned is:

-Dermacrine probably is a good test base for a mild cycle, thinking of a longer Ostarine run -or RAD. It's not sufficient for harsher PH's.
-Trest could be a good test base, would try the TD version next time, because of orals short half life
-Epistane can be a joint killer
-Trenavar -or Trenbolone is not for me, sides outweighs benefits, will stick to Ostarine for recomp
 
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