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Trenavar, Epistane recomp log - with tons of pills, drops and lotions

hairygrandpa said:
BP got up after week 2, joint pain too after second week, my guess it's from Epi.
Joints are better now, I'm taking 400mg 4-ad to rise estrogen to wet the joints.
Some trouble falling asleep but no insomnia yet.
I'm not excited about the cycle and will up the dosage tomorrow to 120 mg Tren/40 Epi.

Will you log your cycle?
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I'm not sure if I'll log it yet. My main concerns of the side effects are shutdown and prolactin buildup.
 
Trenavar always shortened my temper by a lot. Nothing else does, even injectables. Also night sweats every night and a little flare up in the acne department but I am already highly prone to acne even if I'm taking zero supplements.
Just my $0.02
 
Im prone to acne too, yet my acne healed up a bit on my last epistane cycle. I just want to know if there are any other side effects common with this compound that aren't common in others. I can deal with anger, night sweats, etc. My main fears is permanent shutdown and gyno
 
The Yolkster said:
Im prone to acne too, yet my acne healed up a bit on my last epistane cycle. I just want to know if there are any other side effects common with this compound that aren't common in others. I can deal with anger, night sweats, etc. My main fears is permanent shutdown and gyno
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I loved epistane. Great strength, fat loss, no gyno, no side effects of any kind really to speak of.

I am also prone to gyno. I always have at least 1 AI on hand throughout the whole trenavar cycle and my pct is as long as my actual cycle.

I don't really run prohormones anymore though. The side effects are annoying and make them almost not worth it.
 
BamBam0319 said:
I loved epistane. Great strength, fat loss, no gyno, no side effects of any kind really to speak of.

I am also prone to gyno. I always have at least 1 AI on hand throughout the whole trenavar cycle and my pct is as long as my actual cycle.

I don't really run prohormones anymore though. The side effects are annoying and make them almost not worth it.
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Would nolva and an otc pct be enough for a cycle of epi, tren, and hex?
 
The Yolkster said:
I'm not sure if I'll log it yet. My main concerns of the side effects are shutdown and prolactin buildup.
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I'm almost shutdown, nuts are getting smaller , libido at 50%. No prolactin issues yet.
Taking Inhibit-P and have Prami on hand.
I tried Prami once, had in mind to use it together with MK-677, the sides are unbearable for me, even at a very low dosage.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I'm almost shutdown, nuts are getting smaller , libido at 50%. Taking Inhibit-P and have Prami on hand.
I tried Prami once, had in mind to use it together with MK-677, the sides are unbearable for me, even at a very low dosage.
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How bad are the sides in comparison to something like epistane or halodrol?
 
The Yolkster said:
How bad are the sides in comparison to something like epistane or halodrol?
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You mean Prami? This is what you can expect: Abnormal dreams; constipation; diarrhea; dizziness; drowsiness; dry mouth; headache; loss of appetite; nausea; stuffy nose; tiredness; trouble sleeping; weakness.
I got virtually all of them.
 
Day: 20

Still not feeling "on", as expected.
Upped dosage of Tren/Epi to 120mg/40mg x day.
No bad sides, besides slightly high BP, hunger and bad pumps in back and biceps, currently combating with Taurine at 6g pre-workout.
Minimal cheating on Saturday with 1 glass of wine and 250gr ice cream.
Still eating 2000-2200 kcal per day, but weight is going up.
Looking puffy in the mirror. The addition of 4-AD seems to help my joints but also makes me hold some water, I guess.
Will not use an AI , as the water is welcome and helps my joints.

Let's see how my nightly gym session goes.
 
I never really felt "on" with Tren and Msten.. More of a lazy piece of ****.

On Epi I just felt like a badass for being on steroids. Lol
 
Day: 20

Worst workout yet... :grumpy:

Chest/Triceps: Black is old -red is new

Weighted Dips :
BW + 30 lbs : 11/10/10
BW +44 lbs:6/8/8 - BW x11 Here I was proud... but then...

DB Bench Press: 2x77 lbs x4/ 2x66 x12/8 2x77 lbs FAIL - 2x55lbs 4sec. down; 1sec. up x12/12/12/12
DB inclined Press: 2x66 lbs x7/ 2x55 lbs x15/12 2x66 lbs FAIL - 2x55 lbs 4sec. down; 1 sec up x10/9/8
Pullover 1 DB: 88 lbs 7/6/6 skipped , was disappointed with myself
Cable fly: 2x27 lbs x11/12/13 2x35lbs x10/10/10
Triceps overhead rope ext.: 77 lbs 8/10/10 tried 77lbs and FAIL - skipped
Triceps push down: 85 lbs 9/7/7 skipped

The weird numbers, like 88 lbs are converted from kilogram to lbs, 88 lbs = 40 kg DB

The 35kg DB's felt like 100lbs, I could not get them in position to press. I was seriously angry with myself and took at least 15 min off to get my sh*t together and grab lower weights.

Here are my thoughts:

-Is my cycle under dosed -or crap? (I definitively have sides, like shrinking balls, bad pumps, joint pain and low libido)
-Should I eat more? (I'm not in a deficit, I eat carbs too, I should have energy)
-Do I get enough rest? ( I sleep at least 8 hours, Sunday I slept 11 hours... so yes, I'm well rested)

My plan is: Tomorrow I go twice to the gym, finishing today's skipped exercises as good as I can, then Back/Biceps as planned at night.
 
Toren said:
What brand are you running? You running the IML Epi/Tren combo, or something else?
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Mine is called: MEGA Formulation "Mayhem", 30mg Trenavar/10mg Epistane. A friend used DMZ from them twice, with awesome results, but yes, it could be under dosed or even bunk.

:hmmm:
 
hairygrandpa said:
Mine is called: MEGA Formulation "Mayhem", 30mg Trenavar/10mg Epistane. A friend used DMZ from them twice, with awesome results, but yes, it could be under dosed or even bunk.

:hmmm:
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I guess only time will tell. Regardless though, if you hit it hard and keep on pushing yourself, you will see results either way! The training and the diet is where it's at anyway!
 
Day: 21

Couldn't sleep last night and got night sweats. Found two acne pimples this morning, one on my shoulder and one on my leg.
Urine looks brownish too, as reported by others, when on tren.
After searching the web for strength-gain on tren, I found out that a lot of people report no strength increase and some even stagnating strength like I experienced. I guess , the product isn't bunk after all.

Got up in the morning to re-do the failed workout from yesterday.
Did all exercises with 70% of the normal weight, but did them slow and with perfect form.
Tonight I will hit the gym again. Will change my routine from "max weight pushing" -to perfect form and slower reps.
 
On Msten and Tren my strength gains were minimal and some days I felt weaker.

Partially because I only trained with high reps and partially because the Tren made my endurance horrible I think. I made awesome size gains though.
 
rascal14 said:
On Msten and Tren my strength gains were minimal and some days I felt weaker.

Partially because I only trained with high reps and partially because the Tren made my endurance horrible I think. I made awesome size gains though.
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How many reps per set?
The GW I'm taking helps with endurance and BP, but strength got down. My body is changing, one day I look puffy, the other day more defined, with a hint of veins showing. Something is happening, hopefully for the best.
 
hairygrandpa said:
How many reps per set?
The GW I'm taking helps with endurance and BP, but strength got down. My body is changing, one day I look puffy, the other day more defined, with a hint of veins showing. Something is happening, hopefully for the best.
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I don't really remember.. I think it was 15-20 reps per set. I'm thinking I may add GW if my endurance gets bad on the Tren I plan on running here soon.
 
Day 21

Back/Biceps

Changed routine to lower weights, slower reps, concentrating on the negatives. Had a good workout, lots of pump.
Nothing new to report.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 21

Back/Biceps

Changed routine to lower weights, slower reps, concentrating on the negatives. Had a good workout, lots of pump.
Nothing new to report.
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Have you tried German Volume Training? I feel like we talked about this but I don't remember lol. Maybe you should give it a try while on cycle.
 
CJNator said:
Have you tried German Volume Training? I feel like we talked about this but I don't remember lol. Maybe you should give it a try while on cycle.
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Wasn't me, lol. Will look it up right now.
 
Day 23

Took yesterday off.

Today was an amazing workout, I kept going like the Duracell Bunny. My body is hardening up, still far from visible abs, but getting more firm.

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Will tighten up my calorie intake to a strict 2000 kcal for the remaining 20+ days on cycle.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Thank you.

Next time I would like a comment on my amazing, wondrous, hairy body .
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I meant what I said.

Also, I'm extremely hairy myself, we're brethren I assure you. You look like stone cold steve Austin!

::::squints, purses lips, pumps fist into chest, nods knowingly:::::
 
Volvo140G said:
I meant what I said.

Also, I'm extremely hairy myself, we're brethren I assure you. You look like stone cold steve Austin!

::::squints, purses lips, pumps fist into chest, nods knowingly:::::
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Had to look up who Steve Austin is. If he wants to look like me, he has to get in shape first.

Ever thought of getting rid of that body hair yourself?
 
No body hair club checkin in! Seems I'm at the wrong party but it's all good. hairygrandpa I'm seeing improvement in the pics already...from what I can see...behind all the foliage! Lol. If you're subconscious about the body hair, don't be. Many dudes look like shag carpet for real and yours isn't even close to that.
 
Day 25

Deadlift/Shrugs/Arms

Sh*tty workout. Felt lethargic and weak.
Only slept for 2 hours last night with sweating and anxiety.
Will lower dosage to 90mg tren and 30 mg Epi and up dosage of Dermacrine to 6 pumps.
 
Whoa, that's a lot of Dermacrine. Lol

How's everything else going otherwise? How are the joints and how is the Maca treating you?

Have you tried GABA for anxiety and sleep? Dr. Toren uses that on cycle and during PCT and it definitely helps. 2 grams is perfect for me but 1 gram would be beneficial as well. I take it 20-30 min prior to sleep.
 
I've read you shouldn't have carbs while on Tren after 6pm so you don't sweat and have anxiety or is that just injectable tren?
 
rascal14 said:
At least you know it's working!! Lol
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If you natty, you feel good but don't grow. If you are on steroids, you may grow but feel like sh*t and can't train. WTH ?

Toren said:
Whoa, that's a lot of Dermacrine. Lol

How's everything else going otherwise? How are the joints and how is the Maca treating you?

Have you tried GABA for anxiety and sleep? Dr. Toren uses that on cycle and during PCT and it definitely helps. 2 grams is perfect for me but 1 gram would be beneficial as well. I take it 20-30 min prior to sleep.
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Joints are fine, the 4-AD probably did the trick, have to warm me up for at least 10 minutes prior training.
Maca arrived 2 days ago by courier, "thingy" still points at my feet, to early to tell if it works.
To get GABA could take a while, as I live near the ass of the world, further south actually, between nut sack and a**hole in South America.
 
CJNator said:
I've read you shouldn't have carbs while on Tren after 6pm so you don't sweat and have anxiety or is that just injectable tren?
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Good to know!
It would apply to trenavar too, I guess. I eat carbs only with breakfast and some fruit juice post workout, but I ate 8 boiled eggs before bed.
 
It's actually for the insomnia cause by Tren. I'm not sure how credible this is, the people over there are half retarded.

The Problem is your Liver Glycogen has fallen and it's the Bodies Stress Response to Very Low Liver Glycogen.
It's a left-over from our Hunter-Gatherer Days.............................................. JP
P.S.
2 Tsps. of Raw Honey in Warm Water before bed, or if you awaken from Sleep.
This is a copy of my Blog on this.
Originally Posted by jp4355
We've talked about this from time to time.
AAS keeping us Up at Night, especially Trenbolone in all it's Forms.
So what can be done ?

Raw Honey contains an "Ideal Ratio" of Fructose to Glucose to Support the Liver, an Organ that Works Overtime, Literally and Figuratively during the
sleeping process.
Eating Honey ensures that the Liver will have an Adequate supply of Liver Glycogen throughout the day, and taking it before bedtime
can serve as the perfect Liver Fuel at night.
Combined with adequate, "Pure Water", your Body should have most of what it needs to Perform it's Restorative & Detoxing Functions.

The Average Adult Liver has only about 75 to 100 Grams worth of storage space for Glycogen, which varies between Men and Women of Different sizes.
Per Hour the Body Consumes about 10 Grams of Glycogen during the day, leaving our Stores quite low by the time our Heads hit the Pillow.

That leaves less Liver Glycogen then is needed for 8 Hours sleep, if you ate Dinner at 6 PM.
However if you take between 1 & 2 Teaspoons of Honey before Bed, you'll be Restocking your Liver with Glycogen so that your Brain doesn't
activate a Stress Response, which often occurs when Glycogen is Low.

Honey also contributes to the Release of Melatonin in the Brain, as it leads to a slight spike in Insulin Levels and the release of Tryptophan
in the Brain.
Tryptophan leads to Serontonin which is made into Melatonin in the Dark...................................... JP
P.S.
I will usually take 2 Teaspoonful's of Raw Honey, and mix it with some Warm Spring or Filtered Water.
Either before bed, or if I happen to be awakened.
P.S.S.
This is my Go To for Trensomnia or any other AAS that's Disrupting my Sleep.
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Day 28

Chest/Triceps

Honey-Trick before bedtime seems to help falling asleep, but 2 hours later I'm up again.
Some lethargy during the day, BP is somewhat high, felt weak all day. Took ECA+DMAA two hours before gym and pushed through.

Dude, this GVT training regime rocks. Thank you CJNator and Toren for the tip !
As I'm feeling like sh*t on cycle, this method is the cure. Half throughout the workout, my aggression rises and the "on-feeling" sets in.
Will keep this training program for at least 3 weeks, it helps with the joints and tendons too.
 
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