Worst protein powder award of the century goes to...

jbryand101b said:
What works is food, and lots of it
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Which is why I stated I think people shouldn't go above a single scoop per day.

breezy11 said:
That can depend on an individual's overall protein and caloric intake IMO.
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True. However, I highly doubt most people, especially those on forums, are competitive bodybuilders who are 230 lean and 270+ in the offseason, on gear, where it can be justified to have a high protein intake. Even at 300 grams, I think it is easy to get protein from whole foods with a scoop of protein per day. People tend to think, "I need to eat a bunch of meat." That isn't the case though. If one eats grains, certain veggies, certain fat sources, they can get a lot of protein from those sources alone.
 
Gutterpump said:
I need to find a quality protein-blend as tasty as Combat with a similar profile. Any recommendations? I typically stay away from casein products because too much casein can cause nutrient deficiencies by blocking absorption. It's nice to have a good blend at night though or when I need something more sustained.
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I love trutein, great flavor and strong profile
 
mase1 said:
So would you list the good that meet label claims? USP Labs and PES and?
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You can look at labels to see if Taurine, Glycine, and even creatine is added into the "protein blend" If you go that route some others that come to mind are:

SAN Titanium Whey
Cellucor Cor Whey
XF UP and UP2.0
ANS
RSP (could be sketchy though)
Controlled Labs
Universal/Animal
Dymatize
MTS
American Muscle
Muscle Elements
MyProtein
Beverley International
Champion Nutrition

But we know that all ingredients may or may not be on the label in this industry, so if you want concrete proof, you'd have to look for lab tests, I'm sure there is a list out there. But you have to keep in mind too that some of the companies will hire their own lab so there may not be 100% transparency there.
 
Got me some PES Select Snickerdoodle on its way now No more messin about hehe.. I've been out of the loop on protein powders for a while. I usually use Isopure as a base for all my smoothies now for years and rarely use blends, but this looks like a good one.
 
USPlabsRep said:
they are probably using Milk powder very high in lactose..
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The strange thing is, I had no gas, no runs, just straight excruciating pain for 10 hours, insane cramping. It's now 2 days later and I still feel bowel pain when I eat a meal. I'm fairly certain this stuff inflamed my bowels and/or caused a small ulcer. It's pure evil in a tub.

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Show me some muscle biopsy data showing x no filler protein significantly improve total lean body mass significantly more than y with added fillers like glutamin an other aminos

Then I'll be like, okay...

Till then, I'll take my personal anecdotal research an continue to recommend peeps get what they think is best for them, w/e reason that may be.
 
Bottom line is, any company who doesn't live up to label claims and uses controversial ingredients = shady (if not criminal) = ban stick in my eyes. Not going to be buying a single supplement from any of those companies, and going to tell others to do the same as much as possible.

There are only relatively a handful of good honest companies out there in this industry, it's pretty sad.

Where is the FDA amongst this whole mess? How are companies allowed to continue on like this? I think maybe some lawyers in the industry should get deeply involved.
 
Trutein by body nutrition is the best protein powder I've had. It's clean as hell and taste awesome. If you want to look at it go on bestpricenutrition.com they have it for a solid price and all the good flavors! I use to take isoflex but wised up and took this instead
 
Gutterpump said:
Muscle Milk powder. I picked some up on sale, made a shake last night and after an hour started to experience the worst stomach pains of my life. I $hit you not, for over 6-8 hours I was in excruciating pain, yelling, swearing, and contemplating a hospital visit. It was the worst night of my life. I even took gas pills, etc but nothing helped!!

On the plus side, it didn't cause the runs. I'm still feeling some of this pain today. After experiencing this, I decided to look it up online to see if this experience was shared with anyone and sure enough, it has been, by many.

Crystalline Fructose is supposedly to blame, along with a few other ingredients.

Wtf Muscle Milk, fix up. There should be a class action lawsuit against them. Horrible horrible horrible
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I've never been a fan of muscle milk either, or champion. I think the taste is just awful.

AntM1564 said:
Combat is tasty, but does not meet label claims.

Worst of the century goes to MGN from 4-5 years back. Spiked, rat feces, etc. No thanks.
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That was sad. I loved the taste of their choc PB


jbryand101b said:
Taste some plain unflavored hydrolyzed whey. That's ruff.
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It sure is, I get some every once in awhile to cook with and tried some straight up once, yetch!
 
The Solution said:
Their owner is also a criminal
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I met him @ The arnold and he kept asking every 30 minutes to speak to the owner of Scivation (mike mcCandless) while stalking jaime eason.

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^^ O-Ring incident

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bad customer service

and they have had some serious QC issues in the past with rocks, & Orings found in their product (Above links)
They have never provided a COA or 3rd party test to back their product. Everytime they are questioned greg will beat around the bush and not provide an answer.
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The Solution said:
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So, we don't like buying from criminals?

So then, you don't like any products sold by any of these companies right?

-Giant Sports (Bruce Kneller)
-USPLabs/PES (Jacob had a steroid arrest a long time ago)
-iForce (One of the few convicted over prohormones)
-Species Nutrition (Dave Palumbo...steroids)
-Blue Star Neutraceuticals (Dave Palumbo...steroids)
-Prime Nutrition (PJ Braun, steroids)
-Blackstone Labs (PJ Braun, steroids)
-Driven Sports (Matt Cahill, lol)
-Hi-Tech, APS, ALRI (Jared Wheat, numerous convictions and I guess since you don't like criminals, you wouldn't buy any of the dozens of brands he manufactures for?)
-E-Pharm/Prototype Nutrition (Patrick Arnold of course)

That's just people that came to mind in about 5 minutes, and you nuthug on more than a few of those brands.

Half the industry is owned by 'criminals' on some level, but most of these guys I wouldn't say I have a problem with
 
De__eB said:
So, we don't like buying from criminals?

So then, you don't like any products sold by any of these companies right?

-Giant Sports (Bruce Kneller)
-USPLabs/PES (Jacob had a steroid arrest a long time ago)
-iForce (One of the few convicted over prohormones)
-Species Nutrition (Dave Palumbo...steroids)
-Blue Star Neutraceuticals (Dave Palumbo...steroids)
-Prime Nutrition (PJ Braun, steroids)
-Blackstone Labs (PJ Braun, steroids)
-Driven Sports (Matt Cahill, lol)
-Hi-Tech, APS, ALRI (Jared Wheat, numerous convictions and I guess since you don't like criminals, you wouldn't buy any of the dozens of brands he manufactures for?)
-E-Pharm/Prototype Nutrition (Patrick Arnold of course)

That's just people that came to mind in about 5 minutes, and you nuthug on more than a few of those brands.

Half the industry is owned by 'criminals' on some level, but most of these guys I wouldn't say I have a problem with
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Any reason you grouped PES and USPlabs together. Unless I missed it, both parties have come out and said they are not one and the same. Share stacks, ingredients, and other things probably yes but the evidence to prove otherwise that they are is very circumstantial. Hell I connected half of SNS old guys to PES more than USPlabs. You and No_Hype should have let this die last year.

Why am I posting this you say? Because some noob or unaware person will read what you typed and run with it. Then the cycle repeats itself

*however I do agree with your argument about buying from criminals lol. That seems to be a trend in this industry but I guess being popped for steroids is alot better than being popped for robbery or whatever solution said it was.
 
The Solution said:
That still does not prove Trutein's COA or 3rd party test they have yet to show or prove to the supplement industry.
Why have they had to change names 3 times in a span of a few years?
Why when they are asked to show their 3rd party test or if their label meets claims greg continues to let it go in one ear and out the other. If this is such a good product why hide and not show your product is true to its label?
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But..but...their protein powder taste good!
 
most people buy a product off taste alone without even looking at a label.
If you make something taste good and throw it into a massive blend they could give 2 craps less, most people do not even know what they are taking in their body and do not even read a supplement label before buying it. Most go off what X or Y Say , or through a review/word of mouth.
 
Exactly, that's why for the most part I like products that put dosage amounts on the label instead of prop blends. I mean at least they are saying that certain ingredients are at certain doses.

That's not to say that a company isn't as good because they don't put the exact dosage.
 
The Solution said:
That still does not prove Trutein's COA or 3rd party test they have yet to show or prove to the supplement industry.
Why have they had to change names 3 times in a span of a few years?
Why when they are asked to show their 3rd party test or if their label meets claims greg continues to let it go in one ear and out the other. If this is such a good product why hide and not show your product is true to its label?
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Do all of the brands you shill for free product post lab tests?

Isnt it odd that it's only brands that don't give you free product that draw your ire?

Isn't it odd that you'll look past criminal leadership of brands that give you free stuff and take their word for it on label claims?

Someone getting what amounts to a drunk and disorderly as an isolated instance isnt something I'm going to judge them longterm on.

Soneone showing a long term pattern of shilling for free product for half the supplement brands on the market while being more than happy to attack brands that dont give you free **** while also crying to the admins of forums whenever people aren't nice to you, is way worse than whatever bar fight greg got into
 
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De__eB said:
Do all of the brands you shill for free product post lab tests?

Isnt it odd that it's only brands that don't give you free product that draw your ire?
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You mean the brands i buy from?
The majority of the stacks and things i use i buy
I have bought almost every PES Insider, I have purchased countless IC Deals, I have bought the recent Animal Whey Flavors, Ergonine Deal (got 9 tubs) , and i continue to buy and use Xtend + MTS Whey (just got the new flavors both in 5lb tubs) as well
I stick to the brands I support and trust. While you may like different brands thats cool. That is your personal opinion just like I have mine.

Maybe I should hire you to take care of my checkbook since you know exactly what i buy all the time :)
 
BCseacow83 said:
ABB used to have a premade weight gain drink. Was banana flavored something. Had 1000+ calories in their standard 20 or so o bottle. Had about 200 grams of carbs from crystalline fructose and maltodextrin. It was more of a syrup than a drink. o.
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That was XXL (something). I use to drink those, 3 a day when I was bodybuilding. I use to order by the case. I mixed each one w 20 more oz of water.
 
The Solution said:
most people buy a product off taste alone without even looking at a label.
If you make something taste good and throw it into a massive blend they could give 2 craps less, most people do not even know what they are taking in their body and do not even read a supplement label before buying it. Most go off what X or Y Say , or through a review/word of mouth.
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You got me. I'm guilty of this. At times.
 
I agree with going with companies you trust, but obviously the label means nothing. Whether they list glycine, taurine, glutamine on the label means zero, unless tested 3rd party no clue what is in it, prop blend or not in regards to all supplements. Look at the vitamin mess, real companies not even putting 10% of label. So yeah these tiny supp companies can be shady at best. Go with reliable names in my opinion OL, USP Labs, PES, Controlled, Finaflex, SNS. And yes I left some out.
 
The Solution said:
That still does not prove Trutein's COA or 3rd party test they have yet to show or prove to the supplement industry.
Why have they had to change names 3 times in a span of a few years?
Why when they are asked to show their 3rd party test or if their label meets claims greg continues to let it go in one ear and out the other. If this is such a good product why hide and not show your product is true to its label?
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I guess the point of De__eBs post went way over your head. Either that or you just ignored what his basic point was.
 
mase1 said:
I agree with going with companies you trust, but obviously the label means nothing. Whether they list glycine, taurine, glutamine on the label means zero, unless tested 3rd party no clue what is in it, prop blend or not in regards to all supplements. Look at the vitamin mess, real companies not even putting 10% of label. So yeah these tiny supp companies can be shady at best. Go with reliable names in my opinion OL, USP Labs, PES, Controlled, Finaflex, SNS. And yes I left some out.
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Why should the label mean nothing though, and why should people just go along like this is the status quo?

Where is the accountability? How are these companies able to still exist?

Where are the laws that should be in place to protect consumers? I'm really at a loss how all this can continue on as it has. Is it just a matter that American quality standards/laws are very lax? I really don't get it...

Not living up to label claims = fraud.
 
I am not disagreeing with you. The answer is FDA needs to regulate the industry or somebody, but anything government related is a joke. Just saying go with who you trust.
 
mase1 said:
I am not disagreeing with you. The answer is FDA needs to regulate the industry or somebody, but anything government related is a joke. Just saying go with who you trust.
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They can only regulate with penalties. They dont penalize property.
 
mase1 said:
I am not disagreeing with you. The answer is FDA needs to regulate the industry or somebody, but anything government related is a joke. Just saying go with who you trust.
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The industry is regulated.

The FDA just needs to be more liberal with civil asset seizure and lifetime industry participation injunctions against repeat offenders.
 
Gutterpump said:
People should start up class action lawsuits then to fill the void of FDA incompetence.
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That would work also. I mean you tell people in any industry "dont do anything shady and if you do....were going 2 send you a letter".....come on....
 
I'd LOVE to see someone start up a fraud lawsuit against a handful of these guys. Mass fraud is no slap on the wrist. It's akin to grand larceny. Could shut some companies down.
 
I've had the Truitin lemon meringue for months now. I hate the sweetness of it and will probably only buy Optimum Nutrition from now on. Plain 'ol freakin' chocolate.
 
Gutterpump said:
So here's where I'm taking it. I've been talking with my girlfriend about it. She's a lawyer at a law firm in NYC.

Apparently you can't shutdown a company with a class action lawsuit, you can only sue for damages. I want to go for the jugular, so she's going to help me reach the Attorney General's office and try to get some mass fraud charges involved. Lots of research to do first though. Fraud charges can/will result in criminal charges and can shut a company down.

I want fraud charges on the individuals who run these businesses so that they can never run a similar business again.
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Have fun with that. If your girlfriend actually thinks you have a leg to stand on then she should find another profession. There's no criminal charges for this.

Its a breach of contract claim or FTC type fine for failure to meet label claims. You're not gonna be able to prove fraud.
 
juicy thread. sales dont worry me, i think it comes down to how greedy a company wants to be (spiking and making money) and thats anyones educated guess, basic whey can be had under 10 bucks a lb and thats without buying in bulk like companies do, so im not going to lose sleep buying bogos.


regret passing up on the modern protein insider though thats for sure.

worst stuff i had was a certain brick and morter store concentrate, some kind of clearance fruit flavor that reminded me of tums.
 
puccah8808 said:
I've had the Truitin lemon meringue for months now. I hate the sweetness of it and will probably only buy Optimum Nutrition from now on. Plain 'ol freakin' chocolate.
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The lemon meringue sucks. Have you tried the chocolate for trutein? It's pretty damn good, and optimum is **** man it's a waste of money.
 
Worse protein hands down is the old GNC Challenge brand (yellow and blue) label Soy protein. It came in strawberry and chocolate....both flavors tastes like pure mud. 20 yrs ago protein got all these proteins yall want to taste like grocery store cake faded.
 
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