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help with a natty stack

dougeefreshh

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Im 5'8 currently weigh 165 at 14% Body fat. I have really good size for my weight but im not satisfied, lacking in legs and shoulders. Please reccommend some products that would help, i guess "bulk" but lean bulk

Currently using:

Mesomorph pwo
Muscle Pharm 5 blend creatine
whey
mass gainer before bed
 
dougeefreshh said:
Im 5'8 currently weigh 165 at 14% Body fat. I have really good size for my weight but im not satisfied, lacking in legs and shoulders. Please reccommend some products that would help, i guess "bulk" but lean bulk

Currently using:

Mesomorph pwo
Muscle Pharm 5 blend creatine
whey
mass gainer before bed
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Drop the mass gainer first of all

Get a good fishoil (Oximega) take 4 caps a day to get 2-3g EPA/DHA
Whey is fine to help reach protein intake
Creatine 3-5g on workout days no need to load cycle
Good Multi --> OT / Animal Pak

Whats your diet like?
Whats your macros look like?

THIS IS KEY



Eat in a caloric surplus, meaning eating more kcals than you need to maintain in order to gain muscle, size, and strength.

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Philosophies, Macro intake, training , and cardio articles for you to understand and help set up what you need to do before moving forward towards more supplements or advanced workout routines.

i bet this is where you lack and what needs adjusted. if you are not putting good money onto your food and what you eat you wont ever see results. Keep the supp stack basic and get your diet in check.
 
dougeefreshh said:
Im 5'8 currently weigh 165 at 14% Body fat. I have really good size for my weight but im not satisfied, lacking in legs and shoulders. Please reccommend some products that would help, i guess "bulk" but lean bulk

Currently using:

Mesomorph pwo
Muscle Pharm 5 blend creatine
whey
mass gainer before bed
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Add calories to your diet. Also, on days you are trying to bring up your legs and shoulders, increase your caloric intake more so then other days.

Drop the mass gainer and make your own mass gain shake with your whey prior to bed, or eat real food.

Supplements to assist you in the size department would be:

AnaBeta Elite
Arachidonic Acid (X-Gels)
Phosphatidic Acid
Forskolin-95+
 
kbayne said:
Add calories to your diet. Also, on days you are trying to bring up your legs and shoulders, increase your caloric intake more so then other days.

Drop the mass gainer and make your own mass gain shake with your whey prior to bed, or eat real food.

Supplements to assist you in the size department would be:

AnaBeta Elite
Arachidonic Acid (X-Gels)
Phosphatidic Acid
Forskolin-95+
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who makes a good Phosphatidic Acid product
 
dougeefreshh said:
who makes a good Phosphatidic Acid product
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You can grab a soy lecithin product such as Fearns or Optima, which contains PA and is extremely cheap. Others are MuscleTech, EPIQ Fuel One, and BioTest Micro-PA.
 
What creatine as you using? Might I recommend Cremax by Performax labs..its a great blend of Creatine, Betaine anhydrous, taurine and creatinol o phosphate. Overall helps delay fatigue, and assist in decreasing DOMs as well as the overall great attributes of using creatine.

As for weight gainer, I concur with the others. Buy a good protein powder, mix with milk, banana and a scoop of PB and you are good to go.
 
Substitute the mass gainer for casein protein and then throw in some follidrone, abe, xgels or anafuse. Just browse some natural anabolics.
 
LeanEngineer said:
Substitute the mass gainer for casein protein and then throw in some follidrone, abe, xgels or anafuse. Just browse some natural anabolics.
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Casein is not going to be any better than whey protein. at the end of the day protein = protein. if you meet your minimums there will be 0 difference if he got 25g from casein or 25g from whey.
 
23, been lifting for 5 years 4 of which were baseball specific in college , ball is over now and I can lift like a meathead and not worry about being flexible.diet is 3k clean calories a day
AntM1564 said:
First off, how old are you and how long have you been training? What is your diet like?
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dougeefreshh said:
23, been lifting for 5 years 4 of which were baseball specific in college , ball is over now and I can lift like a meathead and not worry about being flexible.diet is 3k clean calories a day
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Bump to 3250,3300 and keeps the gains coming while saving lots of money on supps
 
Just get a tub of creatine.

SNS sells 1200g for $18 (240-400 doses depending on if you dose at 3g or 5g)

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Not to parrot others here, but knowing a bit more about your system will help us and you make the improvements you're after and really fine tune any suggestions. You mention you're taking a mass gainer before bed, but what does the rest of the diet look like? What does training look like? Example to make sure you're getting enough nutrients to build the muscle you're after.

That being said, I would recommend Ergonine and Anabeta Elite. Ergonine is a complete performance enhancing product, and it would take the place of your creatine. It contains several other ergogenics PROVEN in humans to cause some form of strength, endurance, or lean mass gain. The main purpose for this is to ensure you're doing everything in your power to ENHANCE your training abilities.
Anabeta Elite is your anabolic here. This is whats going to shuttle more of the nutrients you're eating towards building muscle. Its also going to stimulate your appetite, furthering this effect. When you combine all of this with superior training, you get GROWTH!
 
Athletix said:
Not to parrot others here, but knowing a bit more about your system will help us and you make the improvements you're after and really fine tune any suggestions. You mention you're taking a mass gainer before bed, but what does the rest of the diet look like? What does training look like? Example to make sure you're getting enough nutrients to build the muscle you're after.

That being said, I would recommend Ergonine and Anabeta Elite. Ergonine is a complete performance enhancing product, and it would take the place of your creatine. It contains several other ergogenics PROVEN in humans to cause some form of strength, endurance, or lean mass gain. The main purpose for this is to ensure you're doing everything in your power to ENHANCE your training abilities.
Anabeta Elite is your anabolic here. This is whats going to shuttle more of the nutrients you're eating towards building muscle. Its also going to stimulate your appetite, furthering this effect. When you combine all of this with superior training, you get GROWTH!
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So I have

Mesomorph pre workout
Ergonine
Ana beta

Does it matter if creative overlap in pwo and ergonine
 
kbayne said:
You can grab a soy lecithin product such as Fearns or Optima, which contains PA and is extremely cheap. Others are MuscleTech, EPIQ Fuel One, and BioTest Micro-PA.
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Get SL, save money, dose 2g+, will also help with weight gain from extra cals. On top of that adding in AlphaMax, ArA, and Epi is hnggggg. Best natty anabolics out
 
Cycling off SL for about 2 weeks now. Haven't noticed a decrease in strength, pumps, or size.

Actually liking the ability to get my fats from some Salted Caramel Peanut Butter for my PB&J sandies pre bed :)
 
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