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Ultimate Black Lion Research Natty Stack

jgntyce said:
With so many great products coming out from Black Lion Research, what is the best comprehensive BLR natty stack? From strength, building muscle, to fat burning, to cortisol, estrogen, and prolactin control? Let's see those suggestions!
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I'm loving my current setup!
Rebirth
Viron
Prolactrone
Letrone
Follidrone
^^ Best PCT Stack ive ran thus far after a HEAVY nearly 5 month cycle! still practically feel like im on with the pumps I maintain/recovery/stamina/endurance/almost always feel primed!

Strength? Def this stack, maybe no need for the Rebirth for just a strength building stack but I think it would stll have its benefits! as well as these all for building muscle!
Estrogen Control? Def what im running, specially Letrone/Rebirth/Prolactrone (throw in some ExoTHERM and were SET) for cortisol/estrogen/prolactin control!

Cutting? Ooh I got this!
Follidrone
ExoTHERM
Inciderine
Viron
Prolactrone!
 
vujade said:
I'd run that BLR Natty Anabolic Stack like this..

Viron: 1cap am & 1 cap b4 bed (5 days on / 2 days off)
Letrone: 1cap am
Follidrone: 2 caps pwo
Prolactrone: Start w/ 1 cap, I believe you can go up to 3 max. Take the 1st one before a meal, & 2nd one b4 bed
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^^ Agree with Vujade, ACCept I like prolactrone morning, post workout and before bed, or morning and 2 before bed! Also I recently experimented with 1 viron with 2 follidrones before workout and it really amped me up!
 
jgntyce said:
In regards to Letrone, when I finish the bottle with 1 cap a day, I will have been on it for two months. Any product I can take for the ongoing AI effect while I take a break from Letrone? I was thinking maybe Inhibit E? or even Exotherm?
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Def ExoTHERM specially if you wanna get a little more solid and stay cut as well!
 
Danes said:
Second dose :) ?
If i were you, i would deff run 4 caps of follidrone daily. Yes 4!
Each 3-4 hour apart
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OOOhhh I LIKE your style! going to try something similar to that, going to have to re-up on folli pretty fast but man does that sound tantalizing!
 
mindset101 said:
Just ordered Follidrone, Letrone, Viron! Stoked to try it out.
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Hell yes, Great Choice! try doing 2 follidrone with 1 viron preworkout one day, seriously I noticed a beautiful drive from it, rest of the time I just do the folli pre workout and virion morning, post workout and night. or just am and pm
 
Cjg said:
Will Viron before bed cause sleep issues?
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I'd say try it once then you'll see how your body reacts to it.

Some even drink coffee before sleep cause it makes them sleepy so we all different.

For me Viron is too energetic to take it before sleep so either 1 cap upon waking up or 2nd cap early afternoon or at least 8h before sleep is what works for me.

I've also noticed heart rate going up a bit like extra 5 beats/minute while taking Viron so it's not that big of a deal.

Test if 1 cap upon waking gives you good effect stick with 1 cap per day 5 days on/2 days off.

Then test how 2nd cap works on your body then decide - maybe start with 2nd cap early afternoon then reduce time between 2nd cap and sleep time.
 
Viron CAN increase heart rate a bit and may make you energetic so try it once.....if you can sleep great. If not dose before 6pm or something.
 
Cjg said:
Will Viron before bed cause sleep issues?
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ahh123 said:
I'd say try it once then you'll see how your body reacts to it.

Some even drink coffee before sleep cause it makes them sleepy so we all different.

For me Viron is too energetic to take it before sleep so either 1 cap upon waking up or 2nd cap early afternoon or at least 8h before sleep is what works for me.

I've also noticed heart rate going up a bit like extra 5 beats/minute while taking Viron so it's not that big of a deal.

Test if 1 cap upon waking gives you good effect stick with 1 cap per day 5 days on/2 days off.

Then test how 2nd cap works on your body then decide - maybe start with 2nd cap early afternoon then reduce time between 2nd cap and sleep time.
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brundel said:
Viron CAN increase heart rate a bit and may make you energetic so try it once.....if you can sleep great. If not dose before 6pm or something.
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Yea I agree it gives me energy, I have to take it in morning to help with motivation, works great! I also take 1 cap PWO with my Follidrone for increased performance, I usually take my Rebirth & Viron an hour before bed, 30 minutes before I pop the prolactrone cause it helps relax more, ive found that works the best.
 
Because right now I'm looking to bulk and I'm on that current cycle and I can tell it's cutting some fat, which I can't complain. It's doing a great job just looking to gain mass right now.
 
Sorry if I am not following what you are saying. You are asking about fat burning and we have a product that targets this, but it isn't on your list of products. If you are looking to gain mass, then I would not worry about fat loss at this time unless you are recomping.
 
Oh, I misunderstood and didn't realize you were already taking those products.

There stands a good chance that you could be shedding water weight which would be attributed to Letrone. I shredded up taking that. Follidrone will increase work capacity and endurance so if your workouts have increased with the addition of this, then that would certainly add to the fat burning. Viron will increase your free test, so with high levels, that can help with muscle mass increase and fat loss.

So there are multiple variables in play that can have an effect on water weight and fat loss with this stack. All good stuff!
 
There are studies regarding Epicatechin and fat loss so Follidrone +
Atractylenolide is an AI so youll experience water loss plus it increases t3,t4, which increases metabolism aaannnnd increases hgh and test.
So Letrone+
Viron increases test and especially free test so Viron +.
Prolactrone increases HGH levels a ton so Pro+

I think out of those most effective would be the Letrone.
Out of all of our products I would say Exotherm and Incinderine combo would be killer.
 
kisaj said:
Oh, I misunderstood and didn't realize you were already taking those products.

There stands a good chance that you could be shedding water weight which would be attributed to Letrone. I shredded up taking that. Follidrone will increase work capacity and endurance so if your workouts have increased with the addition of this, then that would certainly add to the fat burning. Viron will increase your free test, so with high levels, that can help with muscle mass increase and fat loss.

So there are multiple variables in play that can have an effect on water weight and fat loss with this stack. All good stuff!
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Great, no worries! Loving the cycle so far. Im dropping body fat and added a few lbs already on the second week.

brundel said:
There are studies regarding Epicatechin and fat loss so Follidrone +
Atractylenolide is an AI so youll experience water loss plus it increases t3,t4, which increases metabolism aaannnnd increases hgh and test.
So Letrone+
Viron increases test and especially free test so Viron +.
Prolactrone increases HGH levels a ton so Pro+

I think out of those most effective would be the Letrone.
Out of all of our products I would say Exotherm and Incinderine combo would be killer.
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Awesome thanks for the reply. One more question, like i said im running folli, lectrone, prolactrone, and viron right now. Im ending my second week and it seems as if im developing gyno under my lift nip. I thought this cycle would prevent such from forming? What would you recommend added to the stack to prevent this from happening? Thanks again.
 
mindset101 said:
Awesome thanks for the reply. One more question, like i said im running folli, lectrone, prolactrone, and viron right now.
Im ending my second week and it seems as if im developing gyno under my lift nip. I thought this cycle would prevent
such from forming? What would you recommend added to the stack to prevent this from happening? Thanks again.
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How many caps of Viron & Letrone are you running a day...?
 
I'm planning on running letrone here soon and that's what I'm going to do is do 1 cap am 1 cap pm
 
I know tongkat is supposed to be antiestrogenic but it has the potential to really raise test levels which will in turn raise estrogen. On top of that it lowers SHBG which releases free test but also estrogen so this is why I always recommend an AI with Viron. Might be that your also super estrogen sensitive. Bump up Letrone to 2 caps.
 
brundel said:
I know tongkat is supposed to be antiestrogenic but it has the potential to really raise test levels which will in turn raise estrogen. On top of that it lowers SHBG which releases free test but also estrogen so this is why I always recommend an AI with Viron. Might be that your also super estrogen sensitive. Bump up Letrone to 2 caps.
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Mhhh yeah I'll bump up my lectrone and see if that has any effect. Thanks!
 
My blood pressure was a little high today a few hours after my viron and Prolactrone dose. 127/82. Can any of these supps cause high bp?
 
mindset101 said:
I'm 25. I thought anything above 120/80 was pre?
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Technically it is. Kind of....

Pre-hypertension is defined by two separate readings at least 1 week apart, with a systolic reading of 129-139 and a diastolic reading of 80-89.
 
mindset101 said:
My blood pressure was a little high today a few hours after my viron and Prolactrone dose. 127/82. Can any of these supps cause high bp?
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I experience also Viron to increase my BP by around 5-10 on both & heart rate too but since my BP is usual around 95/65 I actually like this effect.
 
VIRON causes my heart to race and makes it hard to sleep at night. If I take VIRON first thing waking, how many hours apart can I take the next dose?
 
jgntyce said:
VIRON causes my heart to race and makes it hard to sleep at night. If I take VIRON first thing waking, how many hours apart can I take the next dose?
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I tried also 2 caps 1st thing in the morning but probably better to spread them into 2 doses - I did 2nd dose around 6h later so I still had 8h left before I went to sleep.

Try both option then see which one your body tolerates better or give you better desirable effects with less side effects.

For me 1 cap upon waking is enough - if I want stronger effect I take 2nd cap 6-7h later.
 
ahh123 said:
I tried also 2 caps 1st thing in the morning but probably better to spread them into 2 doses - I did 2nd dose around 6h later so I still had 8h left before I went to sleep.

Try both option then see which one your body tolerates better or give you better desirable effects with less side effects.

For me 1 cap upon waking is enough - if I want stronger effect I take 2nd cap 6-7h later.
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Yeah i think im gonna bump it down to 1 in the AM only. Tonight I took one and my heart was racing and headache followed. I'm almost through the bottle by now though.
 
Sup Guys..I'm starting a new cycle next month which will be basically Test/Tren/Masteron and I wanted to order "2" PROLACTRONE bottles to make sure I keep prolactin in control while I am on cycle. I used PROLACTRONE 2 years ago and it did pretty good, but this time I'm increasing my Tren dose from 400mg a week to 600mg. So do you guys think PROLACTRONE could do the job still by controlling prolactin or should I keep Prami on hand too? Thanks.
 
Hey Brundel, I sent you a message earlier brother. Last Cycle I took 3 PROLACTRONE capsules a day. So by increasing my Tren dosage can I still take 3 caps of PROLACTRONE and be fine without ordering Prami?
 
ALPH0NSE said:
Hey Brundel, I sent you a message earlier brother. Last Cycle I took 3 PROLACTRONE capsules a day. So by increasing my Tren dosage can I still take 3 caps of PROLACTRONE and be fine without ordering Prami?
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I think so. I know many guys who have used the same combination.
 
Another thing is I'm trying to find out how would someone know when they are on a test/tren cycle and if they develop gyno, how could they tell if it is prolactin related or estrogen related? I wanna make sure this cycle is planned perfectly since it is gonna be high dosed.
 
Its hard to know without labs.
Best bet is to make sure your using an AI and Prolactin inhibitor on cycle.If things get out of control increase AI dose or back off AAS dose a bit.

Honestly bro...my opinion (take if for what its worth) there is no need for 600mg tren. Thats about the dose I was running when I had a cardiac arrest. word to the wise.....use as little as possible when it comes to the gear. If it takes you that much to see results then either 1. your stuff is bunk or way underdosed or 2. your not eating properly. 100-300mg tren is PLENTY. I know pro bodybuilders who use 300mg tren for contest prep. There is 0 reason in my opinion for a non competing athlete to use that much. Its a huge risk to your health. And for nothing but to be bigger.
Trust me bro I know wanting to get bigger and stronger. I was 135lbs when I started lifting and I got up over 240 lean at one point. Ultimately the pursuit almost killed me. Now I have a pacemaker in my chest.
Keep the doses low. More steroids and higher doses are not the answer. If your not growing hire a diet coach. Guaranteed its a food intake thing not a steroid intake thing. Im able to get into the 215 lean range now clean. Much more and I cant hold the leans but Im not on anything.
The only thing I use is food. Hard learned lesson brother.
You dont have to listen...I only tell you because I genuinely care about what happens to you.
I can help with your diet if its not perfect.
 
Thanks for the concern Brundel. I definitely agree with you on that point. I'll probably do the same dosage I did 2 years ago which was around 300-400 mgs of Tren a week since I had no problems arise and ended up with great results. I wanted to increase the dosage to see what difference this cycle would make but it is not worth it since I do not wanna compete anytime soon. So you think with 300-400 mgs of Tren and 200 mgs of Test I could use Arimidex for estro gyno related sides and Prolactrone for prolactin sides if they arise?
 
ALPH0NSE said:
Thanks for the concern Brundel. I definitely agree with you on that point. I'll probably do the same dosage I did 2 years ago which was around 300-400 mgs of Tren a week since I had no problems arise and ended up with great results. I wanted to increase the dosage to see what difference this cycle would make but it is not worth it since I do not wanna compete anytime soon. So you think with 300-400 mgs of Tren and 200 mgs of Test I could use Arimidex for estro gyno related sides and Prolactrone for prolactin sides if they arise?
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Yes sir. Adex and Pro will work well.
Understand Im not trying to tell you what to do. We are all men here.
I just want you to be able to grow but also be safe and healthy.
 
brundel said:
This is a tough question.

Anabolic=
Follidrone
Letrone
Viron and maybe prolactone for the hgh if you can afford.

Fat burning/cut=
Incinderine
Exotherm
Maybe follidrone.
Maybe prolactrone


Pct=
Rebirth
Letrone
Viron
Maybe prolactrone

Gyno=
Rebirth
Letrone

Prolactin
Just prolactrone.

My 2c.
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How about a stack for a recomp?
 
jgntyce said:
How about a stack for a recomp?
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If it were me... I'd use

Viron - test booster, plus its anabolic.
Letrone - AI, plus its anabolic
Follidrone - Anabolic, plus it has fat burning qualities

Best Recomp Stack if your diet is dialed in correctly.

Throw in some additional Forskolin and you've got one heck of a Recomp Stack..!!!

And you could also throw in some Incnderine if you wanted to run a Fat Burner with it....
 
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Scan this thread for some nice stack ideas.... I'm using rebirth, letrone, and prolactrone as part of a natty pct coming up here in a couple months, pretty stoked.
 
vujade said:
If it were me... I'd use

Viron - test booster, plus its anabolic.
Letrone - AI, plus its anabolic
Follidrone - Anabolic, plus it has fat burning qualities

Best Recomp Stack if your diet is dialed in correctly.

Throw in some additional Forskolin and you've got one heck of a Recomp Stack..!!!

And you could also throw in some Incnderine if you wanted to run a Fat Burner with it....
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How much and When do I take the forskolin?
 
jgntyce said:
How much and When do I take the forskolin?
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You'll want to take 250 mg of a supplement that contains at least 10% forskolin, twice daily. That is the typical efficacious dose in studies.

As for timing, forskolin increases cAMP and lipolysis, so I like to take at least one dose pre-workout in the attempt to increase fat metabolism. Another popular time to dose is pre-bed.
 
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