Epic help!

My opinion since I have tried many -epi products would be Follidrone or Ep1c Unleashed. Those two seem to provide the biggest boost in endurance & strength for me. Both are great products.
 
GNO said:
Have you tried EPIC Unleashed?
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I haven't tried it yet. I tried bsl epicat and follidrone. Victory follidrone. I've seen amazing gains off follidrone but hey ill try epic unleashed, ill try anything to unlock some gains as long as it doesn't harm my health
 
pfresh said:
I haven't tried it yet. I tried bsl epicat and follidrone. Victory follidrone. I've seen amazing gains off follidrone but hey ill try epic unleashed, ill try anything to unlock some gains as long as it doesn't harm my health
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Im a firm believer in trying new things and even other brands simply because a tweak here and there can fit the individuals lifestyle, training habits, and motivation differently depending on the time put in behind it. You just simply cannot expect great results with mediocre actions and motivation. To see boosts in endurance, strength, recomposition, and health you must be willing to press the envelope in a way that not only challenges your body and life but you have to do it in a safe way as well. That said idc a $40 supplement is a bit not to ensure everything else is on point. If you do end up trying one or the other, heck maybe even both at some point down the road log your experience and journey. Im interested in seeing it
 
pfresh said:
I haven't tried it yet. I tried bsl epicat and follidrone. Victory follidrone. I've seen amazing gains off follidrone but hey ill try epic unleashed, ill try anything to unlock some gains as long as it doesn't harm my health
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From what I have heard about EpiCat that is not a fair fight lol!

Real talk bro, I ran 2 bottles recently of Follidrone that I bought before I repped with OL.
Honest opinion: It was a good run, mild strength increase on a calorie deficit. The endurance was the best part though.

After over a month break I started Oral Unleashed last week and wow bud ... I am in the last 2 weeks of my cut so bigger caloric deficit and a good 5-7lbs lighter than I was when I came off Folli. My strength has really shot up and the endurance is better than the Folli. Another benefit I have noticed is better recovery from intense workouts. I am not even half way through the bottle yet. I am a rep so maybe you don't trust me but I encourage you to try it.
 
pfresh said:
Fair enough but OL GMP claim seems silly too. That's why i say let the products do the talking, try both, ignore the labels and see which one you like. Keep an open mind and enjoy, no point in being a fanboy
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Our products are GMP, whats so silly? Whats wrong with a company spreading truth on a factual basis and showing no agenda. The purity claims are both elementary and quite unfounded and you now have other members spreading something which is not true. All commercial extracts are standardized. 99-99.99 extracts are not commercial standards but working standards who only have their acclaim in a HPLC cross reference testing scenario.
 
Jebrook said:
There are just as many reps from the other (-)-Epi brands promoting their products as well. Several of the people preferring Follidrone are not affiliated with BLR. They are simply satisfied customers. Remember, Follidrone was the first dedicated (-)-Epi product. It is still the same kickass product that brought (-)-Epicatechin into the spotlight. Everyone has their own version now and almost all are good based on a stellar ingredient. At BLR we are also working on bringing a newer, more powerful version of Follidrone to the market in the near future. That being said, Follidrone is still a heavyweight contender among (-)-Epi products:)
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We'll let's hope it isn't a prop blend again so customers know EXACTLY what they are getting and it doesn't change batch to batch. ;)
 
Olympus Labs said:
Our products are GMP, whats so silly? Whats wrong with a company spreading truth on a factual basis and showing no agenda. The purity claims are both elementary and quite unfounded and you now have other members spreading something which is not true. All commercial extracts are standardized. 99-99.99 extracts are not commercial standards but working standards who only have their acclaim in a HPLC cross reference testing scenario.
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So who regulates olympus labs for their GMP claims? Also i posted about olympus labs strength trying to get feed back yesterday. Why is it you're so quick to push product but you can't answer questions from a costumer?
 
Jebrook said:
So are you implying that BLR does this? Customer feedback would iimply that it doesn't. :)
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IIRC but cbf going back through my posts, It was said that price for the extract of a companies -epi extract was too expensive for what was being charged at retail, hence it had to be fake. Cause the ~95% extract was the best you could get (which was contained in said product at the time).

Now its transitioned into >99% purity for the same product. MW1s comment does make sense.
 
Jebrook said:
So are you implying that BLR does this? Customer feedback would iimply that it doesn't. :)
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You never know some batches were made "in house" while at a manufacturing facility. I seriously doubt he has the ability to mix and test the caps at any accurate dose at home.
Using prop blends is the oldest trick in the book. You start of with high doses and once feedback comes in you cut back on the doses
 
I am epicatechin non responder but I really believe some guys are experiencing nice N.O boost from it which lead to better endurance,pumps , work capacity etc.
But one thing I deff cant understand is:
How can some people get better results with a product which has lower EPI dose and it has no absorption enhancers.
I have seen some guys saying they got MUCH better results from x than y epi product. X(much lower epi dose and no absorption enhancers) while Y product has much higher dose and haa absorption enhancer/s.
 
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So, it's not a prop blend?
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It is a prop blend. Everyone knows that because it's states it on the label. The implication that the dosing changes from batch to batch bothers me a bit. Pretty transparent tactic without negative feedback to support. Anyway, now that this is a rep battle and no longer about the OP I will just be "That Guy" and suggest that everything else is worthless and everyone should just pin test! Lol. Totally kidding by the way. I'm all for discussion but implying under dosing is disrespectful.
 
mw1 said:
ARA has actual safety data unlike most other products;
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This is very true.

Unfortunately Arachidonic Acid gets a lot of blast because it is a pro inflammatory precursor, however there is a large distinction between localised inflammation (I.e. the kind that occurs after a workout as a positive response) vs. Chronic inflammation (I.e. the kind born durimg obesity or arthritis etc).

The first kind is the kind supplementational Ara produces. As we recommend a dose of 2g or less during a fasted state, it goes almost exclusively to muscle tissue once exercise is facilitated. In other cases, the 2g would simply end up much like other fat and distributed to fat cells. At 2g, this wont have a negative effect but it will be almost a waste. Remember, it is only 2g.

The other kind is the type of inflammation that lasts over months and years that severaly impacts the bodies normal healing processes and actually starts destroying the surrounding tissue - you wont have this issue with Xgels.

On top of that, there is safety data showing it has no negative effects on health markers. If anyone has any further questions, feel free to PM myself or another SNS rep and we will be happy to explain this further :)
 
Danes said:
I am epicatechin non responder but I really believe some guys are experiencing nice N.O boost from it which lead to better endurance,pumps , work capacity etc.
But one thing I deff cant understand is:
How can some people get better results with a product which has lower EPI dose and it has no absorption enhancers.
I have seen some guys saying they got MUCH better results from x than y epi product. X(much lower epi dose and no absorption enhancers) while Y product has much higher dose and haa absorption enhancer/s.
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The way i see it is like this. Just because you get more of something doesn't make it better. Ill take quality over quantity any day and i believe both are prop blends so you can't really say other than by taking the word of the company about how Much is actually in a product. What's the fine for mislabelling? Next to nothing, you can say whatever you want on the label, its all about what company you can put your trust in. Just my 2 cents.
 
mw1 said:
You never know some batches were made "in house" while at a manufacturing facility. I seriously doubt he has the ability to mix and test the caps at any accurate dose at home.
Using prop blends is the oldest trick in the book. You start of with high doses and once feedback comes in you cut back on the doses
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I think maybe you have BLR confused with another company with that type of feedback. Lol. B*L perhaps? :). Bottom line. Follidrone works great for me. I'm not alone there. If OP isn't turned off (-)-Epi completely by now with all this rep bickering, he will enjoy some solid gains.
 
Olympus Labs said:
Our products are GMP, whats so silly? Whats wrong with a company spreading truth on a factual basis and showing no agenda. The purity claims are both elementary and quite unfounded and you now have other members spreading something which is not true. All commercial extracts are standardized. 99-99.99 extracts are not commercial standards but working standards who only have their acclaim in a HPLC cross reference testing scenario.
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Hey I'm still waiting on an answer as to who regulates and does the inspections on your gmp certified facilities?
 
So olympus labs who regulates your gmp certified facilities? Still curious as to the inspection procedures and the 3rd party regulator
 
pfresh said:
The way i see it is like this. Just because you get more of something doesn't make it better. Ill take quality over quantity any day and i believe both are prop blends so you can't really say other than by taking the word of the company about how Much is actually in a product. What's the fine for mislabelling? Next to nothing, you can say whatever you want on the label, its all about what company you can put your trust in. Just my 2 cents.
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I dont want to be rude but i dont think you have any clue what I am talking about.
Have you even seen a UV , HPLC or any type of lab test? Have you ever talked to vendors and do you even know how ****ty business it is??
Let me give you a example.
You can NEVER trust a vendor no matter what they claim or what their lab results looks like.that is why 3rd party testing is nessesary!
Personaly , i have seen vendors claiming their ecdysteroids was 99% pure(HPLC testing), and 3rd party testing shown only 40%HPLC testing.

I am not saying Follidrone has ****ty quality but no WAY in this life the Epicatechin in Follidrone is 99% or higher.
Like I said.with plant steroids,sterols,flavanoids and no matter what, above 95% , the prices are very UGLY. Just from 95% to 98% we can talk about a double price or even more. And who want to do that????
1. As a consumer, you would NEVER feel any difference from 95% to 98% purity
2.a supplement company , no matter how good products they make, their goal is to make money and thats normal!
They would never spend 2-3xof the price just to get extra couple of %. NEVER!!
And even if they did, they would be stupid and they would not be long on the marked.
3. You are BLR fan and i am totaly fine with that but i find it VERY odd , so new member on this forum and sounding øike a BLR rep. I really cant take you serious
 
Danes said:
I dont want to be rude but i dont think you have any clue what I am talking about.
Have you even seen a UV , HPLC or any type of lab test? Have you ever talked to vendors and do you even know how ****ty business it is??
Let me give you a example.
You can NEVER trust a vendor no matter what they claim or what their lab results looks like.that is why 3rd party testing is nessesary!
Personaly , i have seen vendors claiming their ecdysteroids was 99% pure(HPLC testing), and 3rd party testing shown only 40%HPLC testing.

I am not saying Follidrone has ****ty quality but no WAY in this life the Epicatechin in Follidrone is 99% or higher.
Like I said.with plant steroids,sterols,flavanoids and no matter what, above 95% , the prices are very UGLY. Just from 95% to 98% we can talk about a double price or even more. And who want to do that????
1. As a consumer, you would NEVER feel any difference from 95% to 98% purity
2.a supplement company , no matter how good products they make, their goal is to make money and thats normal!
They would never spend 2-3xof the price just to get extra couple of %. NEVER!!
And even if they did, they would be stupid and they would not be long on the marked.
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I never made the claim that it was 99 percent or better than olympus. Are you a rep perhaps you can answers my other questions and stop acting like a politician.
 
Jebrook said:
It is a prop blend. Everyone knows that because it's states it on the label. The implication that the dosing changes from batch to batch bothers me a bit. Pretty transparent tactic without negative feedback to support. Anyway, now that this is a rep battle and no longer about the OP I will just be "That Guy" and suggest that everything else is worthless and everyone should just pin test! Lol. Totally kidding by the way. I'm all for discussion but implying under dosing is disrespectful.
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I think the main problem is spreading unfounded statements with no credit or acclaim to back them up. If one person does this, it isn't that big of an issue but you have several people now blindly spreading this misinformation.

Here are 2 credible posters posting about regular (-)-epicatechin. This is the main reason we innovated a new technology and other companies heeded into producing a version with absorption enhancers. Reg. Ep1c sold great, but thats not what we're all about, we want to produce supplements that are a hit, not a gamble of sorts, and if that requires wasting 10k+ labels and other misc. things, we will be ready to evolve our supplement, time and time again, as seen with CONQU3R and EP1C, and soon to be seen with more supplements.

janoy crevesa, on 16 Jan 2015 - 12:03 AM, said:
Black lion research banned me from their fb page for calling their bull**** claims and stuff telling beginners how good their test booster and follidrone is. They said it was 99.9999% pure... Is that even possible?

It wouldn't make a difference if it was 100% pure.

Follidrone will be annihilated in transit, before it reaches systemic circulation in appreciable amounts.

Garbage in, garbage out
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Patrick Arnold:
For all practical purposes no
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Patrick Arnold, on 21 Jan 2015 - 3:06 PM, said:
For all practical purposes not

the margin of error for testing is usually one or two percent at least so this is a joke to claim it was tested to that many decimal places
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pfresh said:
I never made the claim that it was 99 percent or better than olympus. Are you a rep perhaps you can answers my other questions and stop acting like a politician.
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I am not acting like a politician, i am saying there is some EPI products which are prop blend such as EpiPlex (300mg 95% epicatechin in each cap.).

Olympus labs has never claimed their Epicatechin id 99% or higher. If they did, i would say its wrong to them too
 
pfresh said:
Hey I'm still waiting on an answer as to who regulates and does the inspections on your gmp certified facilities?
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Hey why don't we reveal our sources for all of our raw materials to you as well, bottom line, every product of ours is GMP Certified and we are the only company who posts third party labs which have any sort of credence .
 
Olympus Labs said:
I think the main problem is spreading unfounded statements with no credit or acclaim to back them up. If one person does this, it isn't that big of an issue but you have several people now blindly spreading this misinformation.

Here are 2 credible posters posting about regular (-)-epicatechin. This is the main reason we innovated a new technology and other companies heeded into producing a version with absorption enhancers. Reg. Ep1c sold great, but thats not what we're all about, we want to produce supplements that are a hit, not a gamble of sorts, and if that requires wasting 10k+ labels and other misc. things, we will be ready to evolve our supplement, time and time again, as seen with CONQU3R and EP1C, and soon to be seen with more supplements.
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Hey can you answer my other questions, i and I'm pretty sure everyone else could care less about this 99 percent business
 
pfresh said:
I never made the claim that it was 99 percent or better than olympus. Are you a rep perhaps you can answers my other questions and stop acting like a politician.
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Are you a rep perhaps, or a schill?
 
Olympus Labs said:
Hey why don't we reveal our sources for all of our raw materials to you as well, bottom line, every product of ours is GMP Certified and we are the only company who posts third party labs which have any sort of credence .
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Okay cool but who regulates the facilities?
 
pfresh said:
Okay cool but who regulates the facilities?
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Everyone knows you get your Raws from China, anyone else uncomfortable with putting China in your body? Then again show me a supplement company that doesn't take the cheapest possible road
 
pfresh said:
Everyone knows you get your Raws from China, anyone else uncomfortable with putting China in your body? Then again show me a supplement company that doesn't take the cheapest possible road
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Every company gets their raws from China. I think you're getting emotional. How about I send you a bottle of EP1C Unleashed to log since you've found yourself in a battle with no end, defending a lost cause.
 
Olympus Labs said:
This question should be poised at the company doing "in-house manufacturing" and claiming 99.9999999999% purity
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Yah but I'm not asking them, I'm asking you, i don't care about blr, I'm interested in Olympus labs. Its like saying o well they do it so we can do it too. You're not being overly polite to me a costumer of your products and if I'm going to continue to purchase your products you can at least answer my questions and concerns
 
pfresh said:
Everyone knows you get your Raws from China, anyone else uncomfortable with putting China in your body? Then again show me a supplement company that doesn't take the cheapest possible road
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Ok you sound like a dumba$$. I didn't. Mean to start a war between reps and companies. I think both are great companies with top notch supplements. I do think that 99+% is a little out there but oh well. I do know one thing is that you are dumb.
 
Olympus Labs said:
Every company gets their raws from China. I think you're getting emotional. How about I send you a bottle of EP1C Unleashed to log since you've found yourself in a battle with no end, defending a lost cause.
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Not fair ;) maybe i should bash OL and blindly argue about things i have no clue about. Then will you send me stuff too. Haha just playing around.
 
rtmilburn said:
Ok you sound like a dumba$$. I didn't. Mean to start a war between reps and companies. I think both a are great companies with top motch supplements. I do think that 99+% is a little out there but oh well. I do know one thing is that you are dumb.
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I'm not a rep, I'm a costumer and i never made the 99 percent claim, they kept bringing it up.
 
rtmilburn said:
Ok you sound like a dumba$$. I didn't. Mean to start a war between reps and companies. I think both a are great companies with top motch supplements. I do think that 99+% is a little out there but oh well. I do know one thing is that you are dumb.
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Lol! I dropped out a while ago. Kinda beyond helping the OP anymore. Ima go enjoy my Sunday afternoon. Actually I could probably go have a successful Follidrone run and come back an this thing will still be spinning its wheels. I'll be back later with popcorn:) lolol

Edit: I removed the quote from Jiggz about ARA. Have no idea why it added that quote. Cheers.
 
Jebrook said:
Lol! I dropped out a while ago. Kinda beyond helping the OP anymore. Ima go enjoy my Sunday afternoon. Actually I could probably go have a successful Follidrone run and come back an this thing will still be spinning its wheels. I'll be back later with popcorn:) lolol
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Haha sounds like a plan I'm gonna do the same. Sorry OP
 
rtmilburn said:
I know your not a rep. But your comment that i quoted you on just made you sound like an idiot.
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Fair enough, i may not know everything about this topic, i was trying to learn through questioning. Also i think most people would appreciate knowing where Raws come from, China manufacturing practices are a scary thing and though everyone is doing it, it doesn't make you any less concerned.
 
pfresh said:
The way i see it is like this. Just because you get more of something doesn't make it better. Ill take quality over quantity any day and i believe both are prop blends so you can't really say other than by taking the word of the company about how Much is actually in a product. What's the fine for mislabelling? Next to nothing, you can say whatever you want on the label, its all about what company you can put your trust in. Just my 2 cents.
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I have ran both Folli and the original Ep1c and found really no difference in basic effects between the two. However I did see better recomp abilities with epic. To push this a little further though I did get a chance to try out both versions of the newer Ep1c unleashed and can say that the absorption enhancer pushed the needle to an overall more effective product both in body composition, strength and endurance.
I just cant wait to give CEL's Epi a run :)
 
pfresh said:
Everyone knows you get your Raws from China, anyone else uncomfortable with putting China in your body? Then again show me a supplement company that doesn't take the cheapest possible road
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Theres a huge difference between cheep an ineffective and inexpensive and effective. And yes I love Chinese food I eat it no problem
 
Olympus Labs said:
Every company gets their raws from China. I think you're getting emotional. How about I send you a bottle of EP1C Unleashed to log since you've found yourself in a battle with no end, defending a lost cause.
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If you send it i will log it and ill give my no bull opinion on how it compares to epicat and follidrone.
 
Jiigzz said:
This is very true.

Unfortunately Arachidonic Acid gets a lot of blast because it is a pro inflammatory precursor, however there is a large distinction between localised inflammation (I.e. the kind that occurs after a workout as a positive response) vs. Chronic inflammation (I.e. the kind born durimg obesity or arthritis etc).

The first kind is the kind supplementational Ara produces. As we recommend a dose of 2g or less during a fasted state, it goes almost exclusively to muscle tissue once exercise is facilitated. In other cases, the 2g would simply end up much like other fat and distributed to fat cells. At 2g, this wont have a negative effect but it will be almost a waste. Remember, it is only 2g.

The other kind is the type of inflammation that lasts over months and years that severaly impacts the bodies normal healing processes and actually starts destroying the surrounding tissue - you wont have this issue with Xgels.

On top of that, there is safety data showing it has no negative effects on health markers. If anyone has any further questions, feel free to PM myself or another SNS rep and we will be happy to explain this further :)
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Honestly, you cant recommend ara to everyone because it has the ability to cause pretty bad joint pain from the pro inflammatory factors. Most have absolutely no problem running it, buts definitely not for everyone. For instance I wish I could run (I did one cycle of it) it but in the end its just not worth it for me.
 
I only post that^^ to show that even though there are studies suggesting it to be safe those pro inflammation factors still can have negative effects on people.
 
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