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Low carbs and Anabolics

Whacked

Whacked

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Anyone else think AS+Lowcarbs = pointless?

I'm a low carber (high fats; mainly Mono's and Saturated fats from grass fed beef and coconut; and the gains and lack of fullness is obvious.

Long time gear user.

Anyone else feel this way? What's the deal with this?
 
I did a carb cycling diet 5 days no carbs, 2 days high carbs as a cutting cycle on msten/epi/tren.

I was seeing DAILY CHANGES in my appearance i was shredding fat off so quick. My lifts were steadily increasing (better then natty for sure) as well.

It worked great for me man. Im in my 3rd week of pct now, i havent lost ANY stregth, actually increased some lifts, and size is still all there, AND Im leaner then when the cycle ended! (Thank epic unleashed for that probly)
 
Whacked said:
Anyone else think AS+Lowcarbs = pointless?

I'm a low carber (high fats; mainly Mono's and Saturated fats from grass fed beef and coconut; and the gains and lack of fullness is obvious.

Long time gear user.

Anyone else feel this way? What's the deal with this?
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Do you mean low carb bulking? Or do you never bulk?
 
I agree with you. I hate lowering the carbs. When i'm on cycling I need my carbs because i want to grow.
 
Hmm it shouldn't matter that much. Lack of protein would be a problem but not low carbs IMO.

You could aways do a little carb up pre wo.

Also as a long time gear user gains will also slow a lot over time. For this you would want to start mixing things up to keep body reacting anabolically.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Do you mean low carb bulking? Or do you never bulk?
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I never bulk. Mid 40s. Adding "some" discernible muscle when on (mild cycles) is all I ever try to achieve these days.

The problem is, I love low-carb high-fat. I feel like a million bucks when following this regimen. Lean, healthy and for me, I look decent.

But when I hit the gear, it's like the anabolics hate this style of eating
 
Up the carbs before and after the workout. You only need enough carbs to kick start the repair process and if you're low carbing that long it shouldn't take much. Shoot for 25gms before and 75gms after training to see if you get the boost you want.
 
I run low carbs during precomp and run a lot of gear low carbs just like too much t3 get you looking flat.
 
Shasow said:
Hmm it shouldn't matter that much. Lack of protein would be a problem but not low carbs IMO.

You could aways do a little carb up pre wo.

Also as a long time gear user gains will also slow a lot over time. For this you would want to start mixing things up to keep body reacting anabolically.
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Completely false man, you need carbs to grow one hundred percent.
 
If your cutting, then you can definitely follow a high protein / high fat diet...

Especially if you running something like Test & Var.... Totally shredded while
maintaining mass. You're not going to grow, but i don't think thats the point
of doing low / no carb while on AAS...
 
Is there any solid data that says you can't grow from Protein/Fats only?
 
Shasow said:
Carbs is the only macronutrient humans DONT need.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a carb man, but you don't need them to grow especially when on steriods.
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Having your body run off ketone bodies for long periods of time is bad for you. Carbs are pretty necessary, henceforth why they are a primary fuel sorce. While running gear or doing a cut sure you can remove them, but living with carbs jn the diet is healthier, and makes much more sense when running aas. Having insulin rise is great for storage, and when you wanna get big, you wanna store. I can also certainly dwell deeper into the biochemistry of it if youd like (exercise phys/biochem dbl major)
 
I read somewhere about eating like a crazy amount of protein like 700-800g a day.. And only that. No carbs or fat. This protocol was that the protein would turnover or something and gains would be possible
 
Abe Lincoln said:
I read somewhere about eating like a crazy amount of protein like 700-800g a day.. And only that. No carbs or fat. This protocol was that the protein would turnover or something and gains would be possible
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You youll make glucose from protein thru gluconeogenisis, and there are glucogenic amino acids, however the body then has to work like a bitxh to get all that ammonia converted to urea and excreted. Sure itll work, but its not healthy
 
MTPMJM said:
You youll make glucose from protein thru gluconeogenisis, and there are glucogenic amino acids, however the body then has to work like a bitxh to get all that ammonia converted to urea and excreted. Sure itll work, but its not healthy
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Well for anabolic users healthy might be a different point of view. Btw, this protocol I just looked up was for insulin cycling, which makes it dangerous. So when you think about it, is eating only 700g of protein better when not including insulin lol kind of makes the latter seem like kiddie pool
 
MTPMJM said:
Having your body run off ketone bodies for long periods of time is bad for you. Carbs are pretty necessary, henceforth why they are a primary fuel sorce. While running gear or doing a cut sure you can remove them, but living with carbs jn the diet is healthier, and makes much more sense when running aas. Having insulin rise is great for storage, and when you wanna get big, you wanna store. I can also certainly dwell deeper into the biochemistry of it if youd like (exercise phys/biochem dbl major)
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A keto-adapted athlete (or individual for that matter) can run just fine on ketones. Ketoacidosis is deleterious: NOT running on ketones.

Carbs are not "necessary" for any physiological process at all. If they were, your biochem books would have properly designated the label "essential". No such thing.

I do agree that adding carbs "while on AAS" seems to make sense (anecdotally) and certainly for bulking but to be honest; not sure why they would be needed on a cut.

I will also cede that adding carbs to an athlete's diet may give him an advantage (with weight training not endurance) but this still does not warrant use of the word "necessary"; just preferred.
 
MTPMJM said:
Completely false man, you need carbs to grow one hundred percent.
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Disagree. Are you categorically denying the possibility of anabolism w/o carbs? Come on man. You know better ;)
 
Okay my point was ill made. If you want to efficiently perform athletically and/or put on mass, carbs are very important. They provide a myriad of benefits metabolically. Im an athlete not a bb so my ideals are all objective
 
Now you nailed it MT ;)
 
T-Bone said:
No, that's absolutely ridiculous. The only thing that's going to cause you not to grow and gain muscles is lack of calories, it doesn't matter what the calories are coming from.
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Really?? So one could eat poptarts all day in the right amount and still gain muscle?
 
Not everyone running AAS has the same goals.

IMO: cutting is the time that it makes most sense to run a cycle...based on my goals and body type. I find it easy to stay anabolic while on a caloric surplus...so, I don't really feel I need much help.

But, cycling while cutting does a much better job of helping me maintain muscle and strength while on a caloric deficit...or while limiting carb intake.

I do not believe a limited carb intake while trying to build mass makes any sense.
 
Shasow said:
My bad. What did you mean then?
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Just that you can easily gain muscle on low carb if you eat enough calories. I mean is someone is eating say 8000 calories with only say 40-100 carbs per day, they are going to gain weight. If they are training correctly they are going to gain muscle, carbs, no carbs, or low carbs.
 
mixedup said:
I grow on Ramen swiss rolls pepsi corn chips and beef jerky with some tuna thrown in
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My roommate at Boise state during the summer just at cereal, top ramen, peanut butter and grape jelly sandwiches and was jacked. 6'4 240lbs pure muscle and took no supplements. When I suggested he take protein powder he didn't want to risk taking anything that could be banned by the ncaa(college football)
Don't understand how someone that big can stay jacked with eating mainly just carbs.
 
At first being extra tired, I was like WAIT RAMEN MAKES SWISS ROLLS NOW! WTF WHERE HAVE I BEEN? Then I just realized no commas and was really deflated, almost dnp deflated hahaha. But I agree, depends on what I am looking to do leads to how low carbs I am dieting/eating.

If I want pure power and mass... super high protein and high carbs, and I do not even look at fat as I know I am more than adequate +aas= Fricken Silverback. Shredding up is completely different and most of the time do not need the aas. If I do I choose lovely Tren and lower carbs.... mmm ramen swiss rolls...damnit I am a fatas$ at heart haha
 
Last bulk you should have seen how many packs of Smores Oreos I went through, unreal. SMOREOSSSS PLZ. Killin me smalls
 
allbrawn said:
My roommate at Boise state during the summer just at cereal, top ramen, peanut butter and grape jelly sandwiches and was jacked. 6'4 240lbs pure muscle and took no supplements. When I suggested he take protein powder he didn't want to risk taking anything that could be banned by the ncaa(college football)
Don't understand how someone that big can stay jacked with eating mainly just carbs.
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He's either black or pinning and playing dumb
 
allbrawn said:
Yeah he was black.
Def wasn't pinning though.
Didn't know you could get away with such a poor diet w/great genetics and still be jacked.
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It's way more common to see black guys with a natural Greek god hormonal profile.
 
Black white asian Samoan Mexican we all got jacked on swizz rolls Ramen tuna beef jerky honey buns.

Plus when you eat somethin called swoll u can't help but blow up
 
hotcumslinger said:
Were you running a calorie deficit on this? I'm currently in 1st week of a 5 day no carb and 2 day carb (all clean) but way under calories maintenance so not sure if I should up it.
Also did you run this diet for your full cycle?
Running TestE/Deca/Arim and have bloated about 4kgs, goal is to maintain muscle and shred fat.
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Oh yea i started around a 500 deficit and madebit lower and lower as the cycle went on. Near the end i was under 1600 calories a day and still getting a little stronger while watching fat just melt off me
 
Nitro41 said:
I did a carb cycling diet 5 days no carbs, 2 days high carbs as a cutting cycle on msten/epi/tren.

I was seeing DAILY CHANGES in my appearance i was shredding fat off so quick. My lifts were steadily increasing (better then natty for sure) as well.

It worked great for me man. Im in my 3rd week of pct now, i havent lost ANY stregth, actually increased some lifts, and size is still all there, AND Im leaner then when the cycle ended! (Thank epic unleashed for that probly)
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Sounds like a cyclic ketogenic diet which I do but only one day carb up. Are you doing high fat and protein on your no carb days? And then low far on the carb up days
 
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