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i was kinda hoping to get some ultimate t in mail today...oh well!!!
 
heckler7 said:
how much increase in T levels is expected on bloodwork
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Thats actually impossible to answer.
If it was a human study done on the product or one of the ingredients then we could at least say (it can boost up .....%).

I bet if people did bloodwork on this product or generaly on T Booster, it would vary .
 
Danes said:
Thats actually impossible to answer.
If it was a human study done on the product or one of the ingredients then we could at least say (it can boost up .....%).

I bet if people did bloodwork on this product or generaly on T Booster, it would vary .
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I guess if your all technical but to claim that it produces an increase there should be at least an estimate on how much, otherwise if its an insignificant amount there are better compounds to waste money on
 
heckler7 said:
I guess if your all technical but to claim that it produces an increase there should be at least an estimate on how much, otherwise if its an insignificant amount there are better compounds to waste money on
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age...weight...health...diet..test levels...like Danes says there are many variables involved from person to person!!!
 
heckler7 said:
I guess if your all technical but to claim that it produces an increase there should be at least an estimate on how much, otherwise if its an insignificant amount there are better compounds to waste money on
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You know there is a double money back guarantee right? Don't know of any other test boosters that are offering that!
 
heckler7 said:
I guess if your all technical but to claim that it produces an increase there should be at least an estimate on how much, otherwise if its an insignificant amount there are better compounds to waste money on
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It cant be a estimate on how much, like I said, we have no human studies beside Tongkat ali (which is found in Ultimate T).
But I dont know how much TA is used in Ultimate T .

Here is from a human study done on TA (people having Hypogonadism/not enough T).

In the Partial Androgen Deficiency in Males study, Dr. Tambi selected thirty adult males from 31 to 52 years of age. Following measurements of testosterone, DHEA, and SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding-Globulin), the subjects took 100 mg of*E. longifolia extract daily for 3 weeks…

…Clinical measurements showed that total testosterone levels (both free and bound) increased by over 70%. DHEA, which turns into testosterone in the body, increased by 47%. SHBG was reduced by 66%, which results in more testosterone in the bloodstream. After 3 weeks, free testosterone available in the bloodstream increased in 73% of the participates.

TA is actually proven to restore serum testosterone levels in healthy men. It means it help you restore levels pretty well even you are stressed,older etc.. (dose and purity is IMPORTANT)
 
This stuff looks pretty good, im gonna need to pickup 2 for my PCT i'm thinking.. was that double money back only part of an offer or is that standard? obviously it has to be good if your offering double back.. was just checking out the new jack3d formula, looks good compared to the old "advanced proprietary formula" i might pick some of that up to check it out as well,. anyone with logs on this Ultimate-T product??
 
There are a handful of Ultimate T logs going on already and should be some new ones starting soon, too.

Bob (The Solution) has one up and I'm subscribed to at least 2 others.
 
Danes said:
It cant be a estimate on how much, like I said, we have no human studies beside Tongkat ali (which is found in Ultimate T).
But I dont know how much TA is used in Ultimate T .

Here is from a human study done on TA (people having Hypogonadism/not enough T).

In the Partial Androgen Deficiency in Males study, Dr. Tambi selected thirty adult males from 31 to 52 years of age. Following measurements of testosterone, DHEA, and SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding-Globulin), the subjects took 100 mg of*E. longifolia extract daily for 3 weeks…

…Clinical measurements showed that total testosterone levels (both free and bound) increased by over 70%. DHEA, which turns into testosterone in the body, increased by 47%. SHBG was reduced by 66%, which results in more testosterone in the bloodstream. After 3 weeks, free testosterone available in the bloodstream increased in 73% of the participates.

TA is actually proven to restore serum testosterone levels in healthy men. It means it help you restore levels pretty well even you are stressed,older etc.. (dose and purity is IMPORTANT)
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The only TA extract that has clinical studies is LJ100 by HP Ingredients.
 
Olympus Labs said:
The only TA extract that has clinical studies is LJ100 by HP Ingredients.
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Are you sure about that? Because it is NOT truth.
Dont get me wrong. LJ100 is not bad but there are clinical studies done on 9-hydroxycanthin-6-one, 13α,21-Dihydroeurycomanone and Eurycomanone.everything from incrased semen volume to SERM/AI properties.
 
LJ100 is overhyped and I will gladly tell you why:
LJ100 standardized eurycoma longifolia extract, providing 40% glycosaponins, 28% bioactive eurypeptides, 30%
polysaccharides, and 0.8% eurycomanone.

As I said earlier, Eurycomanone is the one of MOST important/major quassinoid found in TA and if you look carefully, there is just 0.8% Eurycomanone in LJ100.
One cap of LJ100 (100mg) contains 0.8mg Eurycomanone.
1:200 extract contain about 2% up to 2.25% Eurycomanone.
I have been taking caps (each 600mg) 3 at day. That means I got 36mg of Eurycomanone while 3 cap of LJ100 is just 2.4mg
I see LJ100 is rich in glycosaponins and polysaccharides. It sounds impressive BUT a good TA expert said:

"Glycosaponins and polysaccharides are basic common sugars and starches found in almost all plants worldwide and*just make LJ100 look even more important."

Before some say Eurypeptides are responsible for Testosterone boosting properties is not true either.

Here is actually from a study:

Eurycomanone enhanced testosterone steroidogenesis at the Leydig cells by inhibiting aromatase conversion of testosterone to estrogen, and at a high concentration may also involve phosphodiesterase inhibition

Here is a good read about TA and believe me or not, this man is one I really trust and believe:

Most of the "ingredients" listed in LJ100 are nonsense and the product is more hype than substance - that's just a bit more hype to make their product look more important!!

"Bioactive eurypeptides" was apparently invented by the marketing department of LJ100 and has no recognised official scientific status - it doesn't actually mean anything apart from looking cool on the label!

Glycosaponins and polysaccharides are basic common sugars and starches found in almost all plants worldwide and just make LJ100 look even more important.

The only relevant ingredient is eurycomanone which is very low in LJ100 and should be 1.75% at its lowest and ideally 2.25%. It is the measure that*we would prefer to use instead of the present 1:200 classification but the eurycomanone content is currently very difficult to measure without constant expensive lab testing. With our product we aim for the middle at about 2%.

The current measure of 1:200 refers to the relationship between the amount of raw material required to produce the extract, so 1.200 is 200 grams of raw root producing 1 gram of pure extract.

FYI, we often get asked about the colour of the finished extract - it varies according to the production method used to extract it and is no indication of the effectiveness of the product despite claims to the contrary!
 
Danes said:
LJ100 is overhyped and I will gladly tell you why:
LJ100 standardized eurycoma longifolia extract, providing 40% glycosaponins, 28% bioactive eurypeptides, 30%
polysaccharides, and 0.8% eurycomanone.

As I said earlier, Eurycomanone is the one of MOST important/major quassinoid found in TA and if you look carefully, there is just 0.8% Eurycomanone in LJ100.
One cap of LJ100 (100mg) contains 0.8mg Eurycomanone.
1:200 extract contain about 2% up to 2.25% Eurycomanone.
I have been taking caps (each 600mg) 3 at day. That means I got 36mg of Eurycomanone while 3 cap of LJ100 is just 2.4mg
I see LJ100 is rich in glycosaponins and polysaccharides. It sounds impressive BUT a good TA expert said:

"Glycosaponins and polysaccharides are basic common sugars and starches found in almost all plants worldwide and*just make LJ100 look even more important."

Before some say Eurypeptides are responsible for Testosterone boosting properties is not true either.

Here is actually from a study:

Eurycomanone enhanced testosterone steroidogenesis at the Leydig cells by inhibiting aromatase conversion of testosterone to estrogen, and at a high concentration may also involve phosphodiesterase inhibition

Here is a good read about TA and believe me or not, this man is one I really trust and believe:

Most of the "ingredients" listed in LJ100 are nonsense and the product is more hype than substance - that's just a bit more hype to make their product look more important!!

"Bioactive eurypeptides" was apparently invented by the marketing department of LJ100 and has no recognised official scientific status - it doesn't actually mean anything apart from looking cool on the label!

Glycosaponins and polysaccharides are basic common sugars and starches found in almost all plants worldwide and just make LJ100 look even more important.

The only relevant ingredient is eurycomanone which is very low in LJ100 and should be 1.75% at its lowest and ideally 2.25%. It is the measure that*we would prefer to use instead of the present 1:200 classification but the eurycomanone content is currently very difficult to measure without constant expensive lab testing. With our product we aim for the middle at about 2%.

The current measure of 1:200 refers to the relationship between the amount of raw material required to produce the extract, so 1.200 is 200 grams of raw root producing 1 gram of pure extract.

FYI, we often get asked about the colour of the finished extract - it varies according to the production method used to extract it and is no indication of the effectiveness of the product despite claims to the contrary!
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Very interesting thanks for sharing!! I plan on finding a good TA supp for pct
 
Danes said:
LJ100 is overhyped and I will gladly tell you why:
LJ100 standardized eurycoma longifolia extract, providing 40% glycosaponins, 28% bioactive eurypeptides, 30%
polysaccharides, and 0.8% eurycomanone.

As I said earlier, Eurycomanone is the one of MOST important/major quassinoid found in TA and if you look carefully, there is just 0.8% Eurycomanone in LJ100.
One cap of LJ100 (100mg) contains 0.8mg Eurycomanone.
1:200 extract contain about 2% up to 2.25% Eurycomanone.
I have been taking caps (each 600mg) 3 at day. That means I got 36mg of Eurycomanone while 3 cap of LJ100 is just 2.4mg
I see LJ100 is rich in glycosaponins and polysaccharides. It sounds impressive BUT a good TA expert said:

"Glycosaponins and polysaccharides are basic common sugars and starches found in almost all plants worldwide and*just make LJ100 look even more important."

Before some say Eurypeptides are responsible for Testosterone boosting properties is not true either.

Here is actually from a study:

Eurycomanone enhanced testosterone steroidogenesis at the Leydig cells by inhibiting aromatase conversion of testosterone to estrogen, and at a high concentration may also involve phosphodiesterase inhibition

Here is a good read about TA and believe me or not, this man is one I really trust and believe:

Most of the "ingredients" listed in LJ100 are nonsense and the product is more hype than substance - that's just a bit more hype to make their product look more important!!

"Bioactive eurypeptides" was apparently invented by the marketing department of LJ100 and has no recognised official scientific status - it doesn't actually mean anything apart from looking cool on the label!

Glycosaponins and polysaccharides are basic common sugars and starches found in almost all plants worldwide and just make LJ100 look even more important.

The only relevant ingredient is eurycomanone which is very low in LJ100 and should be 1.75% at its lowest and ideally 2.25%. It is the measure that*we would prefer to use instead of the present 1:200 classification but the eurycomanone content is currently very difficult to measure without constant expensive lab testing. With our product we aim for the middle at about 2%.

The current measure of 1:200 refers to the relationship between the amount of raw material required to produce the extract, so 1.200 is 200 grams of raw root producing 1 gram of pure extract.

FYI, we often get asked about the colour of the finished extract - it varies according to the production method used to extract it and is no indication of the effectiveness of the product despite claims to the contrary!
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Yea, Pretty much the truth...

Danes what product are you using? Is it standardized or assumed a 1:200 extract products that percent?

How did you decide on your dose?
 
Danes said:
LJ100 is overhyped and I will gladly tell you why:
LJ100 standardized eurycoma longifolia extract, providing 40% glycosaponins, 28% bioactive eurypeptides, 30%
polysaccharides, and 0.8% eurycomanone.

As I said earlier, Eurycomanone is the one of MOST important/major quassinoid found in TA and if you look carefully, there is just 0.8% Eurycomanone in LJ100.
One cap of LJ100 (100mg) contains 0.8mg Eurycomanone.
1:200 extract contain about 2% up to 2.25% Eurycomanone.
I have been taking caps (each 600mg) 3 at day. That means I got 36mg of Eurycomanone while 3 cap of LJ100 is just 2.4mg
I see LJ100 is rich in glycosaponins and polysaccharides. It sounds impressive BUT a good TA expert said:

"Glycosaponins and polysaccharides are basic common sugars and starches found in almost all plants worldwide and*just make LJ100 look even more important."

Before some say Eurypeptides are responsible for Testosterone boosting properties is not true either.

Here is actually from a study:

Eurycomanone enhanced testosterone steroidogenesis at the Leydig cells by inhibiting aromatase conversion of testosterone to estrogen, and at a high concentration may also involve phosphodiesterase inhibition

Here is a good read about TA and believe me or not, this man is one I really trust and believe:

Most of the "ingredients" listed in LJ100 are nonsense and the product is more hype than substance - that's just a bit more hype to make their product look more important!! - I can send you the patent on this

"Bioactive eurypeptides" was apparently invented by the marketing department of LJ100 and has no recognised official scientific status - it doesn't actually mean anything apart from looking cool on the label! - Read the info on patent. You are saying MIT and Ministry of Science Malaysia are not a recognized official scientific organization?

Glycosaponins and polysaccharides are basic common sugars and starches found in almost all plants worldwide and just make LJ100 look even more important.

The only relevant ingredient is eurycomanone which is very low in LJ100 and should be 1.75% at its lowest and ideally 2.25%. It is the measure that*we would prefer to use instead of the present 1:200 classification but the eurycomanone content is currently very difficult to measure without constant expensive lab testing. With our product we aim for the middle at about 2%.

The current measure of 1:200 refers to the relationship between the amount of raw material required to produce the extract, so 1.200 is 200 grams of raw root producing 1 gram of pure extract.

FYI, we often get asked about the colour of the finished extract - it varies according to the production method used to extract it and is no indication of the effectiveness of the product despite claims to the contrary!
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Read comments above. Furthermore, here are the words from the owner of HP

Answer: as a leader in the Tongkat Ali research, producer of the standardized extract, the only legal representative of MIT and Ministry of Science Malaysia patent, we strongly discourage anyone from purchasing a ratio product, but to purchase a standardized extract.

Over the years of conducting Tongkat Ali business, unfortunately there are too many dishonest and unethical business people whose only concern is profit and nothing else.
One claimed to have 100:1, 200:1, 400:1 extract.
When I asked what kind of alcohol he used in his extract, he said the kind that they use in the hospital.
When I told him that research had found that high concentration of Tongkat Ali extracted with alcohol will have high levels of quasinnoids which is toxic.
I asked him for a toxicology test for safety reason. He then proceed to tell me that the product is very safe, we do not need to worry about it as 400:1 is actually a 5:1 extract.

There are others that sell 1:50, 1:100, etc. These are actually reverse ratio. 1:50 is 1 part extract, 50 parts maltodextrine.
There are many ingredient suppliers who purchase Tongkat Ali root powder and sell them as extract.
I spoke to one of the most prominent contract manufacturer in the USA, that many manufacturers use. They use a 20:1 extract and they told me it’s 1 part extract, 8 part maltodextrine.

Therefore, with all these findings, we are discouraging anyone from using any type of ratio in the industry for tongkat ali.

Eurycomanone is a unique Quassinoid that only exist in Tongkat Ali. Therefore, the industry used this as a finger printing test whether what you purchase is the species of Eurycoma Longifolia.
Quasinoids in TA is for treating cancer, and malaria. High amount of quasinnoid is actually toxic to human health.
The active compounds identify by MIT to be the responsible for increasing testosterone is the amino acid chains found in TA, which we call Eurypeptides.
 
Olympus Labs said:
Read comments above. Furthermore, here are the words from the owner of HP

Answer: as a leader in the Tongkat Ali research, producer of the standardized extract, the only legal representative of MIT and Ministry of Science Malaysia patent, we strongly discourage anyone from purchasing a ratio product, but to purchase a standardized extract.

Over the years of conducting Tongkat Ali business, unfortunately there are too many dishonest and unethical business people whose only concern is profit and nothing else.
One claimed to have 100:1, 200:1, 400:1 extract.
When I asked what kind of alcohol he used in his extract, he said the kind that they use in the hospital.
When I told him that research had found that high concentration of Tongkat Ali extracted with alcohol will have high levels of quasinnoids which is toxic.
I asked him for a toxicology test for safety reason. He then proceed to tell me that the product is very safe, we do not need to worry about it as 400:1 is actually a 5:1 extract.

There are others that sell 1:50, 1:100, etc. These are actually reverse ratio. 1:50 is 1 part extract, 50 parts maltodextrine.
There are many ingredient suppliers who purchase Tongkat Ali root powder and sell them as extract.
I spoke to one of the most prominent contract manufacturer in the USA, that many manufacturers use. They use a 20:1 extract and they told me it’s 1 part extract, 8 part maltodextrine.

Therefore, with all these findings, we are discouraging anyone from using any type of ratio in the industry for tongkat ali.

Eurycomanone is a unique Quassinoid that only exist in Tongkat Ali. Therefore, the industry used this as a finger printing test whether what you purchase is the species of Eurycoma Longifolia.
Quasinoids in TA is for treating cancer, and malaria. High amount of quasinnoid is actually toxic to human health.
The active compounds identify by MIT to be the responsible for increasing testosterone is the amino acid chains found in TA, which we call Eurypeptides.
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Dont want to be rude but all this is a "old" news for me.
Like I said, eurycomanone is the most (MOST) important component in TA.
I have tried Lj100 and I have tried 1:200 extract. (Bloodwork was the proof. 1:200 extract increased my T levels 84% while LJ100 did almost nothing for my T levels.
So patent or not, higher levels of Eurycomanone is the key for results no matter what those patent holder says.


"Over the years of conducting Tongkat Ali business, unfortunately there are too many dishonest and unethical business people whose only concern is profit and nothing else."
I do agree with you on this 100% and that is sad too!
 
Danes said:
Dont want to be rude but all this is a "old" news for me.
Like I said, eurycomanone is the most (MOST) important component in TA.
I have tried Lj100 and I have tried 1:200 extract. (Bloodwork was the proof. 1:200 extract increased my T levels 84% while LJ100 did almost nothing for my T levels.
So patent or not, higher levels of Eurycomanone is the key for results no matter what those patent holder says
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You are entitled to your own opinion and I am entitled to my own, which I respect, and I do not want to derail this thread further.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Danes, so you are discounting the multiple clinical trials on LJ100 and their positive results and relying on a man telling you something which relates to a ratio extract?

Sounds legit.
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I am not saying LJ100 is a bad choice, i am saying and I have bloodwork proving that more of eurycomanone = more T production.
Remember, my own experience (with bloodwork as proof)for me, it is more important than any studies etc
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Danes, so you are discounting the multiple clinical trials on LJ100 and their positive results and relying on a man telling you something which relates to a ratio extract?

Sounds legit.
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Well, research always advances and if you follow the researchers that studied LJ100. They're the same researchers acknowledging they could of been wrong in the active ingredient.

Their positive results haven't been with males that have healthy Testosterone levels.
 
Today marks Day 1 of Ultimate T + E9 & Protein...... Hopefully I will have some good results. to be continue.....
 
USPlabsRep said:
Well, research always advances and if you follow the researchers that studied LJ100. They're the same researchers acknowledging they could of been wrong in the active ingredient.

Their positive results haven't been with males that have healthy Testosterone levels.
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Sorry if it has been previously mentioned in this thread or another, what is the Tongkat in Ultimate T extracted for?
 
My sticky thread must be good....a bunch of shameless product plugs in this thread.

You have an entire forum to market on. Now Admin is going to raise my price!
 
USPlabsRep said:
My sticky thread must be good....a bunch of shameless product plugs in this thread.

You have an entire forum to market on. Now Admin is going to raise my price!
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datsthat said:
Today marks Day 1 of Ultimate T + E9 & Protein...... Hopefully I will have some good results. to be continue.....
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Nice! Please keep us updated with your progress.
 
USPlabsRep said:
boron almost doubled estrogen in one study without effecting testosterone...
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that was just one study though, theres several others showing decreases in estradiol and shbg and huge increases in free test, dht, dhea.. so its kind of one of those take at your own risk, maybe a mild AI would only enhance the benfits and keep estro at bay if it does increase, but so far ive seen one study that shows the increase In it, one study that's inconclusive and the rest showing decreases in it, very interesting mineral for sure. good pubmed article here somewhat recent too.;

Comparative effects of daily and weekly boron supplementation on plasma steroid hormones and proinflammatory cytokines.
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KilaCali said:
that was just one study though, theres several others showing decreases in estradiol and shbg and huge increases in free test, dht, dhea.. so its kind of one of those take at your own risk, maybe a mild AI would only enhance the benfits and keep estro at bay if it does increase, but so far ive seen one study that shows the increase In it, one study that's inconclusive and the rest showing decreases in it, very interesting mineral for sure. good pubmed article here somewhat recent too.;

Comparative effects of daily and weekly boron supplementation on plasma steroid hormones and proinflammatory cytokines.
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that's an abstract not an article...
 
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Thats both.
 
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