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Anxiety and how to help calm it

Once again, GABA. Go with the powder it hits quick and you have a shortness of breath for about 30 seconds, then the tingling sets in, then the relaxation takes over. Start with about half a gram till u get used to it, the first time I took it it scared me for a second, now I take a gram before bed and no more restless legs, no tossing, very rarely get up in the night and wake up refreshed in 6 hrs of sleep. Nuts to not try 6oz=$9-11 NOW FOODS, Dymatize. That's all I got to say.
 
Do we think that tianeptine will go the way of the racetams and be regarded and used as a 'supplement', while still being very much a drug?

From my point if view I have no problems using racetams and other goodies that have been long considered as low risk nootropics, but I have some misgivings in taking the plunge and effectively self-medicating an antidepressant, despite the very positive reviews.

I'm waffling on and probably overthinking it, but has anyone had similar thoughts on the subject?
 
test112 said:
Do we think that tianeptine will go the way of the racetams and be regarded and used as a 'supplement', while still being very much a drug?

From my point if view I have no problems using racetams and other goodies that have been long considered as low risk nootropics, but I have some misgivings in taking the plunge and effectively self-medicating an antidepressant, despite the very positive reviews.

I'm waffling on and probably overthinking it, but has anyone had similar thoughts on the subject?
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I've had similar thoughts. It could probably help me, but I'm still on the fence.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Has anyone noticed depersonalization or libido loss from tianeptine?
Over the years of all the antidepressants I've tried, those were the common side effects I experienced every time.
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I've never tried it, but supposedly its effects on serotonin are in some ways the opposite those of to SSRI's, in that it increases serotonin reuptake instead of inhibiting it.
 
No libido loss at all, but could be a slight sense of depersonalization as you seem to remove emotion from thoughts and approach from pure logic, which is what produces the anxiolytic effects, imo.
 
test112 said:
I've never tried it, but supposedly its effects on serotonin are in some ways the opposite those of to SSRI's, in that it increases serotonin reuptake instead of inhibiting it.
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Gotcha.
kisaj said:
No libido loss at all, but could be a slight sense of depersonalization as you seem to remove emotion from thoughts and approach from pure logic, which is what produces the anxiolytic effects, imo.
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That right there is my apprehension. Unless I'm misunderstanding, I feel like my emotions are vital for raising children. I don't need help being a "cold" person lol.
 
I have two little kids and I completely understand that view, but the emotional effect is directed in situations in which anyone that has even the slightest anxiety can attest to, it is the irrational thought and feeling of people judging and the anticipation for an event. Without the care or concern about that, it is peaceful and calm. It doesn't make you into a robot, just more logical. Which could actually be a good thing for some parents. Lol
 
GreenMachineX said:
Has anyone noticed depersonalization or libido loss from tianeptine?

Over the years of all the antidepressants I've tried, those were the common side effects I experienced every time.
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I get the opposite effect. Libido is untouched or slightly better and my personality shines through. It's really incomparable to other anti-depressants
 
kisaj said:
I have two little kids and I completely understand that view, but the emotional effect is directed in situations in which anyone that has even the slightest anxiety can attest to, it is the irrational thought and feeling of people judging and the anticipation for an event. Without the care or concern about that, it is peaceful and calm. It doesn't make you into a robot, just more logical. Which could actually be a good thing for some parents. Lol
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Well, if that's the case, that's something I definitely struggle with at work. I'm going to research this more. Especially after my panic attack last night involving chest pain and a trip to urgent care (not a heart attack, but the chest pain is definitely real), obviously what I'm doing now isn't working.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Well, if that's the case, that's something I definitely struggle with at work. I'm going to research this more. Especially after my panic attack last night involving chest pain and a trip to urgent care (not a heart attack, but the chest pain is definitely real), obviously what I'm doing now isn't working.
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Glad your alright! Your physical & mental health is very important. Hope you or they can figure out the cause. Good luck with it.
 
ELROCK said:
Glad your alright! Your physical & mental health is very important. Hope you or they can figure out the cause. Good luck with it.
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There was a lot of compounding factors leading up to it, so I don't believe it's a real panic disorder. But after reading more about tianeptine, I'm getting pretty interested in trying it.
 
kisaj said:
Hockeyaus33 I meant to ask for your experience when you wrote this. How did it change your mind?
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I think he was just subtally providing the name of the company (in all caps) he bought his bulk tianeptine from. I bought mine from the same company. As an aside, going on my third day of a migraine since I stopped taking it.
 
kisaj said:
I have two little kids and I completely understand that view, but the emotional effect is directed in situations in which anyone that has even the slightest anxiety can attest to, it is the irrational thought and feeling of people judging and the anticipation for an event. Without the care or concern about that, it is peaceful and calm. It doesn't make you into a robot, just more logical. Which could actually be a good thing for some parents. Lol
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Well put Kisaj...I'm a solo Dad with a 4yr old, and also work full time. I cope very well until the grandma turns up who constantly judges everything I do even when I am doing a great job (because I am not doing it her way). Thank farking god for tianeptine, puts me in a positive frame of mind. Not depersonalized or emotionless. It just seems to block out all the negative clutter we all have to cope with
 
Sadly i had to stop everything i was taking.. Mainly ArA and Teaneptine. I was taking ArA for a month and Teaneptine for 2 or 3 days (i think really low dosages because i haven´t the scale yet).

I wasn´t feel very well while only taking ArA (lethargy, weakeness, sleeping bad, low appetite and some old injuries and inflamations were showing up) but Saturday, minutes after i took Teaneptine i felt an warming sensation on all body and then bamm.. a panic attack.. a strong one.. damn.. crazy nausea, sweating like hell, etc. I had to take a small Alprazolam dosage (like 0.25mg) and things calm down.

In the afternoon i went to the beach and don´t know if was the sunbath i took but later when i arrived home i started to feel a strong nausea that lasted two days. Today i´m better but not 100% yet.

I really don´t know if there was any of the supps causing that or not, but for now i´ll stop with everything and see how things go. Later if i´ll be better, i start to take Teaneptine alone to see the results.
 
DoubleM101 said:
Sadly i had to stop everything i was taking.. Mainly ArA and Teaneptine. I was taking ArA for a month and Teaneptine for 2 or 3 days (i think really low dosages because i haven´t the scale yet).

I wasn´t feel very well while only taking ArA (lethargy, weakeness, sleeping bad, low appetite and some old injuries and inflamations were showing up) but Saturday, minutes after i took Teaneptine i felt an warming sensation on all body and then bamm.. a panic attack.. a strong one.. damn.. crazy nausea, sweating like hell, etc. I had to take a small Alprazolam dosage (like 0.25mg) and things calm down.

In the afternoon i went to the beach and don´t know if was the sunbath i took but later when i arrived home i started to feel a strong nausea that lasted two days. Today i´m better but not 100% yet.

I really don´t know if there was any of the supps causing that or not, but for now i´ll stop with everything and see how things go. Later if i´ll be better, i start to take Teaneptine alone to see the results.
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Do you mind if I ask where you got your tianeptine (you can pm me if you like)? That sounds very similar to my experience using the bulk powder at very low doses for just a couple days...resulting in more than three days of migraines (headache, nausea, dizziness, blurred vision, etc.).
 
jarrellt67 said:
Do you mind if I ask where you got your tianeptine (you can pm me if you like)? That sounds very similar to my experience using the bulk powder at very low doses for just a couple days...resulting in more than three days of migraines (headache, nausea, dizziness, blurred vision, etc.).
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No problem telling here (i think isn´t against forum rules).

I bought it from this seller located in UK.

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Maybe it´s the batch (even you bought it from another seller), maybe some people reacts different way, i don´t know..
 
diggyroxx said:
Once again, GABA. Go with the powder it hits quick and you have a shortness of breath for about 30 seconds, then the tingling sets in, then the relaxation takes over. Start with about half a gram till u get used to it, the first time I took it it scared me for a second, now I take a gram before bed and no more restless legs, no tossing, very rarely get up in the night and wake up refreshed in 6 hrs of sleep. Nuts to not try 6oz=$9-11 NOW FOODS, Dymatize. That's all I got to say.
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I've gotta try pre-bed gaba again. Restless legs and bad insomnia last night. Gaba + mod-GRF/Ipamorelin should be niiiice
 
Gutterpump said:
I've gotta try pre-bed gaba again. Restless legs and bad insomnia last night. Gaba + mod-GRF/Ipamorelin should be niiiice
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I was thinking of picking up some peptides to use pre bed, has anyone ever dosed it just once a day before bed? I was thinking of GHRP-2 and CJC 1295 w/o DAC.
 
Do not use anything labelled CJC. MOD-GRF is the one you want to use with a GHRP. CJC's are outdated and most of the time mislabeled. For more info, check out Datbtru's forum.
 
Gutterpump said:
Do not use anything labelled CJC. MOD-GRF is the one you want to use with a GHRP. CJC's are outdated and most of the time mislabeled.
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As far as I knew CJC and MOD-GRF are the same just different names? All of the companies I have seen label it as CJC.
 
Gutterpump said:
If so it's mislabeled. Be careful who you buy from.
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He is the most trusted source as far as I have read and researched but it is more expensive plus the shipping is a little high. But, you can't really complain about price if the quality is there.










MOD EDIT: Review the rules.
 
Today i received the 0.001g scale i bought on eBay to measure next time i try Teaneptine but the scale is crap..

In lower weights it doesn´t measure fine. It´s the same or worst the 0.01g one i have. Only difference is one more decimal place. It´s almost impossible to weight 10mg. It shows 0g.. then as i drop the powder it jumps to 20 ou 30mg, then it drops to 15mg.. and so one.

I think the best method will be measure a lot more at once, dilute it in water and then consuming as need, as i already read here.. Or measure a lot more and try to split it in equal parts and take one of them.
 
I am thinking about ordering some bulk powders to see if it will help me sleep. Any suggestions? I was thinking L theanine, Phenibut, a small amount of Tianeptine to maybe try out. Also what do you guys think of Powder City?
 
rascal14 said:
I am thinking about ordering some bulk powders to see if it will help me sleep. Any suggestions? I was thinking L theanine, Phenibut, a small amount of Tianeptine to maybe try out. Also what do you guys think of Powder City?
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This is because I wake up multiple times a night.. I have to get up, pee, get a drink of water, and walk around a little bit before I can go back to sleep. This will happen 1-4 times a night most nights a week.
 
rascal14 said:
I am thinking about ordering some bulk powders to see if it will help me sleep. Any suggestions? I was thinking L theanine, Phenibut, a small amount of Tianeptine to maybe try out. Also what do you guys think of Powder City?
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Phenibut will help you sleep, but be aware as tolerance builds if you use it too often, you need to get dosage rite, or you will feel groggy the next day. Use too little, no effect (But it is great stuff but use with caution).
Tianeptine I find has more of a stimulating feel rather than sedating, I would not use it for sleep.
I have experimented with high and low doses of L theanine, and found it does very little, if anything. PC is very good, I use them a fair bit.
And don't forget the magnesium!
 
I remember using Neurobalance for sleep years back. My ex gf and I took a bit too much and woke up at 4pm the next day lol.. That stuff was strong
 
kisaj said:
Ashwagandha, bacopa, alpha GPC, and aniracetam. I always add rhodiola as well for physical stress management, but wouldn't be necessary for anxiety.

Ashawagandha and bacopa are going to be great for general anxiety because for me, it calms the mind and just evens things out so something minor doesn't build in my head. It just eases the mind.

Alpha GPC and ani are great for social anxiety and speech. It completely removes the fight or flight feel and helps the fluidity of speech. I don't have any social anxiety, but I deal with executive level people daily and am required to give speeches and presentations to large rooms of people, so it is important to feel calm and speak well. This is a very effective combination for this.

The thing that is nice about these all together is that they keep you calm, yet alert. The last thing I want is to feel dull or slow.
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I was thinking of trying this same stack out for general relaxation and anti anxiety and to help keep my mind clear. What dosing regimen would you recommend? I'm still just starting to learn about all of this stuff. Any reason you use aniracetam instead of piracetam? I've read that's the best one to try out first.

Also what do you think about needing a Choline source or is that just based on the individual? I'm still reading through the beginnings of this thread so sorry if any of this has already been answered. You don't have to repeat it, I can just find it in here.
 
rascal14 said:
I am thinking about ordering some bulk powders to see if it will help me sleep. Any suggestions? I was thinking L theanine, Phenibut, a small amount of Tianeptine to maybe try out. Also what do you guys think of Powder City?
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I haven't read this entire thread - but I am browsing through it because this type of thing just started to interest me. Over some time, I went from sleeping great to waking up multiple times throughout the night. Sometimes not fully awake, just turning over and stuff like that...sometimes to go to the bathroom, etc. A lot of times I would wake up and take 30 minutes to get back to sleep. I have a lot going on and never realized just how tired I had become. I started taking GABA and L-Theanine a couple weeks ago and it is making a noticeable difference.

When I started, I took 1000 mg of Gaba and 200 mg of L-Theanine and barely noticed anything. Then, the next night I took the same dose and my gf wound up getting sick, threw up 30 times in a night, and wound up in the ER so I had a night with NO sleep after I took the Gaba/L-Theanine. I spent the next night in the hospital with her and took 1 gram/200 mg again, passed out until about 12:30 when a nurse came barging in and blasted the lights on and was loud like no one was sleeping....I was awake for 90 minutes after that. The following night, I took 2 grams. I was out for 9 hours, inspite of all the activity in the hospital room, and woke up feeling great.

Since then I've experimented with up to 8 grams of GABA. Everyone says it makes you tingle and get short of breath when you take large doses, but I've never experienced this. After doing larger doses for some time I dropped back to 2 grams again, and that seemed to really help. After 2 weeks I am now taking 500-1000 mg/night and it is working great for sleep. In any case, I wake up much less throughout the night and feel a lot more rested.

I feel that I was very deficient in GABA and it probably had to build back up in my system, and now the smaller dose is working well. I'm not sure if there is any validity to this, and I'm aware that GABA does not cross the BBB - but L-Theanine does. My theory on this, which is uneducated, is that your body uses GABA to "shut down" just as much as your brain does. If you are short on GABA, your body uses it all up and your brain has nothing left to work with. If you get the gaba in your blood, maybe it has a sparing effect in your brain, so it doesn't have to cross the BBB to be effective. Again, I may be way off on that hypothesis.
 
Are there any websites or companies that offer any of this stuff in small samples to try it out before buying very much?
 
rascal14 said:
I was thinking of trying this same stack out for general relaxation and anti anxiety and to help keep my mind clear. What dosing regimen would you recommend? I'm still just starting to learn about all of this stuff. Any reason you use aniracetam instead of piracetam? I've read that's the best one to try out first.

Also what do you think about needing a Choline source or is that just based on the individual? I'm still reading through the beginnings of this thread so sorry if any of this has already been answered. You don't have to repeat it, I can just find it in here.
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Dosing is dependent on the mg and extract %. You can't compare Anitracetam with any of the other racetams because it works differently and the effects are different. I could write up about it, but there are many sources that you can find that have all this information. The primary benefits of Ani are the strong anxiolytic and speech fluidity, which makes it a very good supplement for social events, speaking engagements, and circumstances where you need to be quick thinking. It doesn't work so well for memory creation or retention, but more for recall and compartmentalization of thoughts so words flow easier and thoughts are organized. It is very unique in this regard. Piracetam is good for studying and concentration, and makes me very lazy and kind of dull.

I add a choline source because racetams can give a headache without the addition of it, but secondarily, I specifically take Alpha GPC because of all the other benefits it provides.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Bump for this question. I'm 3 days in at taking 12mg every 4 to 6 hours. Not sure if I feel anything yet (which probably means I don't).
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I noticed it after the 3rd day and it wasn't something I felt, but more just recognized in a few situations that I would have got a little uptight and I was noticeably nonchalant about them. I wasn't feeling mellow or anything, they simply didn't bother me. This built up and now I am riding it very well. There has never been a "feeling", but in general, I don't feel concerned about high stress situations when I know they are coming up or while in them. That has translated into what I think might be better memory in stressful situations because when you aren't preoccupied, you can think more clearly. I wouldn't say it has improved memory, but just cleared up my mind more. I stopped Ani, ashwagandha, and bacopa while trying this and I feel like adding in Ani would be a perfect stack because of how well it helps speech and recall. I will be doing this soon, but wanted to give this a solid 4-6 week run to rule out other variables.

Plus, I have been only taking it M-F and cycle the weekends without any noticeable issue or side effects. So far, I would say this has been a successful addition.
 
kisaj said:
I noticed it after the 3rd day and it wasn't something I felt, but more just recognized in a few situations that I would have got a little uptight and I was noticeably nonchalant about them. I wasn't feeling mellow or anything, they simply didn't bother me. This built up and now I am riding it very well. There has never been a "feeling", but in general, I don't feel concerned about high stress situations when I know they are coming up or while in them. That has translated into what I think might be better memory in stressful situations because when you aren't preoccupied, you can think more clearly. I wouldn't say it has improved memory, but just cleared up my mind more. I stopped Ani, ashwagandha, and bacopa while trying this and I feel like adding in Ani would be a perfect stack because of how well it helps speech and recall. I will be doing this soon, but wanted to give this a solid 4-6 week run to rule out other variables.

Plus, I have been only taking it M-F and cycle the weekends without any noticeable issue or side effects. So far, I would say this has been a successful addition.
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And your still only taking 12mg 3 times a day? I wish it wasn't so daggone expensive though.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Bump for this question. I'm 3 days in at taking 12mg every 4 to 6 hours. Not sure if I feel anything yet (which probably means I don't).
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I don't feel much of anything at that dose. I weigh as much as you, and use about twice that dose, maybe just the single dose in the late afternoon though.
 
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