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Olympus Labs EP1C UNLEASHED! Next Generation Epicatechin!

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GoHardOrGoHme said:
What dose you running? Im doing 100mg eliminate and 2/1 for Epic. Thinking about grabbing some LJ100 for more fun.
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I'm taking LJ as well just finished second week. Only 25mg eliminate and 2/1 epic. I've run as much as 75 eliminate and it crushes estrogen too much for me. Even 50 was causing it to dip too low (anecdotally) so I just dropped it back to 25 :) I think my deficit has made the 25 just enough.. When I've been heavier and eating more liberally, i tend to favor 75mg
 
chedapalooza said:
I'm taking LJ as well just finished second week. Only 25mg eliminate and 2/1 epic. I've run as much as 75 eliminate and it crushes estrogen too much for me. Even 50 was causing it to dip too low (anecdotally) so I just dropped it back to 25 :) I think my deficit has made the 25 just enough.. When I've been heavier and eating more liberally, i tend to favor 75mg
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I think armistane is a good ingredient but i personally not convinced it is actually an AI but rather a pretty potent cortisol inhibitor and diuretic.
 
Just started pct today running Super PCT, epic unleashed, and some DAA with my ai/serm.

Do you have to shake or mix the TD before use? I was planning on using a oral syringe. Is 1 pump the same as 1ml?
 
rtmilburn said:
I think armistane is a good ingredient but i personally not convinced it is actually an AI but rather a pretty potent cortisol inhibitor and diuretic.
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I actually agree and have blood work showing it never touched estrogen... The newer ones dhaa and the brassiaos all lowered my estrogen 10 points

But even suppressing cortisol too much will kill sex drive and ruin physique
 
Nitro41 said:
Just started pct today running Super PCT, epic unleashed, and some DAA with my ai/serm.

Do you have to shake or mix the TD before use? I was planning on using a oral syringe. Is 1 pump the same as 1ml?
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No shaking or mixing is needed. 1 pump is 2 ml with epic unleashed
 
Nitro41 said:
Just started pct today running Super PCT, epic unleashed, and some DAA with my ai/serm.
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I would recommend looking to the Super PCT promo. We updated the formula and I have a feeling you wont be dissapointed.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
I would recommend looking to the Super PCT promo. We updated the formula and I have a feeling you wont be dissapointed.
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Spoiler Alert:
The new Sup3r PCT has Na-DAA so it will cover all your needs man
 
How long have people found that it takes for the TD version to make noticeable effects?
I was thinking about starting the Ep1c TD about 2 weeks before PCT (from 8 weeks Ostarine 25mg/ Dermacrine 5 pumps) so it would be as active as possible come PCT time. I would then add in the MyoSynergy that I have pre-workout once in PCT.

Does that make sense, or am I wasting the TD by starting that early?
 
clown007 said:
How long have people found that it takes for the TD version to make noticeable effects?
I was thinking about starting the Ep1c TD about 2 weeks before PCT (from 8 weeks Ostarine 25mg/ Dermacrine 5 pumps) so it would be as active as possible come PCT time. I would then add in the MyoSynergy that I have pre-workout once in PCT.

Does that make sense, or am I wasting the TD by starting that early?
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I think the consensus has been about a week. 2 weeks prior to PCT sounds reasonable.

Unleashed is so versatile, it can be used in pretty much any routine so not wasting it. It's only going to enhance your results IMO
 
How'd you guys determine the correct dosage amount? I've looked at a few other brands some with less some with more?
 
clown007 said:
How long have people found that it takes for the TD version to make noticeable effects?
I was thinking about starting the Ep1c TD about 2 weeks before PCT (from 8 weeks Ostarine 25mg/ Dermacrine 5 pumps) so it would be as active as possible come PCT time. I would then add in the MyoSynergy that I have pre-workout once in PCT.

Does that make sense, or am I wasting the TD by starting that early?
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I mean, if u consider adding strength, achieving pr's, increasing endurance, losing doms, and getting more swole during and after a cycle wasteful, then this stuff is a collossal waste.
 
dbl38 said:
How'd you guys determine the correct dosage amount? I've looked at a few other brands some with less some with more?
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There may be more benefits.from taking more; i just started increasing so i cant say yet, but the recommended dose is effective. By "effective" i mean ive added as much as 40-50 lbs on certain sets, while feeling pumped pretty much 24/7. Other brands and even olympus brand ep1c that dont have the delivery system can be less effective at much higher dosages due to epi's poor absorption. In my case, i dont respond to epi at all unless theres this delivery method.

Speaking of that, am i the only guy here who is an epi nonresponder otherwise?

Anyway, i havent heard anyone complaining after switching from a higher dosed epi to this; ive heard alot of just the opposite
 
thescience said:
There may be more benefits.from taking more; i just started increasing so i cant say yet, but the recommended dose is effective. Other brands and even olympus brand ep1c that doesnt have the delivery can be less effective at much higher dosages due to epi's poor absorption. In my case, i dont respond to epi at all unless theres this delivery method.

Speaking of that, am i the only guy here who is an epi nonresponder otherwise?
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What is the delivery method?
 
dbl38 said:
What is the delivery method?
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They arent saying.so far, but i know what it is; there are competitors, hence they probably arent putting the details out. They could probably talk about it freely, .since most brands have this mentality that user experience can only be placeebo and they more or less dont bother improving upon anything. Anyway,Even if i didnt know what the delivery system was,id know it works because i was a total nonresponder before.
 
Is nutraplanet no longer carrying Olympus labs products? They don't have any of their products or Ep1c on the site?
 
JohnnyS said:
Strange, you would think they would be a top selling company. I tried to call nutraplanet to find out why but none of their phone number are working??
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Heard there is new owner and some changes going on, unsure what this will mean product wise, hopefully nothing will change in terms of product previously carried.
 
I'm working on an answer for that, I'd just hit them up on their contact us button to inquire about our product availability.
 
My wife sez I am very demanding..................
 
I know this was addressed a while back but am dosing two caps before workout and off days I am applying TD after shower

All good?
 
horizons said:
I know this was addressed a while back but am dosing two caps before workout and off days I am applying TD after shower

All good?
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No issues with that routine bro. How is it treating you so far?
 
Does anyone find when shaking the Ep1c TD that some of the contents has a tendency to spill out the nozzle?
This TD is a lot more liquidy than the Dermacrine that I am using right now.
 
clown007 said:
Does anyone find when shaking the Ep1c TD that some of the contents has a tendency to spill out the nozzle?
This TD is a lot more liquidy than the Dermacrine that I am using right now.
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I put it.close to my forearms and pump slow.to reduce any mess, but i abhore occasional inconsistantcy of the pump amount and the fact that it isnt very gymbag travel-friendly. Im going to be.switching to the squeeze dropper technique mentioned in here using an empty bottle of iosol until oympus fixes that. Dose has to be precise
 
In other news, it looks like doubling the dose of the transdermal is yeilding superior results. I need more time to be sure, but just when my lifts seemed to stabilize, i doubled dosei think 6-7 days ago maybe and added 20lbs behind the back bar presses. Pumps r better too. Not sure if gains r from extended use or dose increase, but the pumps seem to support the increased dose on that
 
thescience said:
In other news, it looks like doubling the dose of the transdermal is yeilding superior results. I need more time to be sure, but just when my lifts seemed to stabilize, i doubled dosei think 6-7 days ago maybe and added 20lbs behind the back bar presses. Pumps r better too. Not sure if gains r from extended use or dose increase, but the pumps seem to support the increased dose on that
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Im definitely going to try a higher dose next run I do, 3 pumps per day then a period at 4 per day, me thinks.
 
thescience said:
In other news, it looks like doubling the dose of the transdermal is yeilding superior results. I need more time to be sure, but just when my lifts seemed to stabilize, i doubled dosei think 6-7 days ago maybe and added 20lbs behind the back bar presses. Pumps r better too. Not sure if gains r from extended use or dose increase, but the pumps seem to support the increased dose on that
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Very interesting on how there were diminishing returns with high dosing regular epi, and how there are more visible benefits as you have experienced with double dosing the td
 
Anyone else getting a wierd black staining residue? It seemes to be happening to my hands and some times the application area. I dont know if the TD is just attracting morr dirt, but I mean my fingertips and palms are BLACK and its not coming off
 
Nitro41 said:
Anyone else getting a wierd black staining residue? It seemes to be happening to my hands and some times the application area. I dont know if the TD is just attracting morr dirt, but I mean my fingertips and palms are BLACK and its not coming off
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One of those dishwasher brushes gets it off. More about rubbing it off than what soap u use to get it off
 
thescience said:
In other news, it looks like doubling the dose of the transdermal is yeilding superior results. I need more time to be sure, but just when my lifts seemed to stabilize, i doubled dosei think 6-7 days ago maybe and added 20lbs behind the back bar presses. Pumps r better too. Not sure if gains r from extended use or dose increase, but the pumps seem to support the increased dose on that
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how much you weigh bro?

I'm curious if you're experience with dosing is due to the fact you may be bulkier.
 
Olympus Labs said:
Very interesting on how there were diminishing returns with high dosing regular epi, and how there are more visible benefits as you have experienced with double dosing the td
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Perhaps, but then again companies tend to reduce active ingredient.serving sizes when better delivery systems are used. I, for one, have no idea how much epi is in a serving here. Imagine if it was only 5o mg's, but that amount beats 300mg without the delivery. Then it may be possible to, say, take 5x the serving and benefit. Then, on top of that, the delivery may take utilization to another level beyond previous boundaries.; there are oral delivery systems that outperform injections
 
GNO said:
how much you weigh bro?

I'm curious if you're experience with dosing is due to the fact you may be bulkier.
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Im at 188, but there is some fluctuation with that where i lose weightto a few lbs less. My diet hasnt changed, and at least to me i dont look like my muscles are bigger, but i probably.check myself out so often that any change would be to subtle to notice. As far as my pr goes though, it was on a set that had not increased from the epi previously. While other sets were gaining, that one hadnt been. I will reserve a conclusion until i have discontinued the doubled amount for a month, or if i experience insane pr's over the next few weeks
 
Nitro41 said:
Anyone else getting a wierd black staining residue? It seemes to be happening to my hands and some times the application area. I dont know if the TD is just attracting morr dirt, but I mean my fingertips and palms are BLACK and its not coming off
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Oh my yes!!!
 
Ok so for full transparency / update.. This week was hard in terms of strength. My endurance has stayed strong, but I didn't make any strength gains this week/had to back off the weight and increase reps on some lifts

Using the oral version 2 caps pre workout and 1 on off days. I'm in no way trying to blame the product tho honestly Bc my cut is just so grueling lol. But I wanted to just say at ~6 weeks in I have hit my first strength plateau on a deficit.
 
chedapalooza said:
Ok so for full transparency / update.. This week was hard in terms of strength. My endurance has stayed strong, but I didn't make any strength gains this week/had to back off the weight and increase reps on some lifts

Using the oral version 2 caps pre workout and 1 on off days. I'm in no way trying to blame the product tho honestly Bc my cut is just so grueling lol. But I wanted to just say at ~6 weeks in I have hit my first strength plateau on a deficit.
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Have you considered taking a mini break (ie. Come up to maintenance for a few weeks) and then get back to shredding?
 
GNO said:
Have you considered taking a mini break (ie. Come up to maintenance for a few weeks) and then get back to shredding?
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I consider it everyday at this point but mentally I cannot. 2 days A week I get in abut 150-200 extra cals from protein like an extra shake. But that's about it...
 
GNO said:
No issues with that routine bro. How is it treating you so far?
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My diet this week has been sloppy over the weekend and I am still remaining to look lean

On 2450 calories as a slow lean gains regime

It's hard to tell with the TD
 
chedapalooza said:
I consider it everyday at this point but mentally I cannot. 2 days A week I get in abut 150-200 extra cals from protein like an extra shake. But that's about it...
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Ched, if i've learned anything over the years its that when you are on a heavy diet and strength gets effected consistently over a few workouts, its time to either have a good refeed or have a week or so at maintenance cals. Because its a serious head fk when you start going backwards and motivation weans very quickly. short term reduction in fat loss rate for long term beneficial results ;)
 
Nitro41 said:
Anyone else getting a wierd black staining residue? It seemes to be happening to my hands and some times the application area. I dont know if the TD is just attracting morr dirt, but I mean my fingertips and palms are BLACK and its not coming off
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That sounds strange ??
 
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