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Running the Tri-Fecta Bridging 3 Cycles into 1 Big Tamale!

Dma378 said:
This doesn't apply at my gym. I have a few 5:00am favorite regulars!!
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There is one guy that I see every once in a while and that's it. I went at 7 am to 8:30 am and didn't see anyone this morning. I love my gym
 
Id use HCG after all that..
Just blast it from your last pin until you start your Serms.. Not together..
I did 500iu ED for 10 days and just hopped on the serms..
 
That's exactly what I was thinking of doing as well, maybe do 500iu first five days and 1000 the last five so my body can adjust and then get a good dose for five days.
 
here's some progress pics I took last week didn't get a chance to post them bit here they are..

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any feedback or constructive criticism feel free to fire away!
 
nbshazeezee said:
Your quads are stupid big homie
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thanks bro, I work extremely hard on em cause I just love the way it feels to have the full symmetry/proportions to the entire body, somehow I think it makes me look and feel 10x stronger then all them guys out there with bird legs and giant arms,, I feel a lot better for sure, I never used to hit legs all that much until I met my boy dino back in 2008, he was one of the strongest squatters around, he practically WARMED UP with 800+lbs, his legs were so damn big he walked funny as **** like he had to kick his legs out to the side and swing them forward cause of how wide they were, but I tell you im glad I had the chance to meet him cause he really taught me how to drive and he helped me break through my plateu naturally when I was stuck at 172lbs, within 2-3 months I was up to 194 and my squat went from 305 to 495 n about 3 or 4 months. .. thanks for the compliment though, just tryin to catch up to yours!
 
KilaCali said:
thanks bro, I work extremely hard on em cause I just love the way it feels to have the full symmetry/proportions to the entire body, somehow I think it makes me look and feel 10x stronger then all them guys out there with bird legs and giant arms,, I feel a lot better for sure, I never used to hit legs all that much until I met my boy dino back in 2008, he was one of the strongest squatters around, he practically WARMED UP with 800+lbs, his legs were so damn big he walked funny as **** like he had to kick his legs out to the side and swing them forward cause of how wide they were, but I tell you im glad I had the chance to meet him cause he really taught me how to drive and he helped me break through my plateu naturally when I was stuck at 172lbs, within 2-3 months I was up to 194 and my squat went from 305 to 495 n about 3 or 4 months. .. thanks for the compliment though, just tryin to catch up to yours!
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If you went from 172 to 194 natty, why this liver killing stack to weigh less? (Serious question) 22lbs in 3 months is a great improvement even on gear. Did you ever get blood work with this stack?
 
wicked442 said:
If you went from 172 to 194 natty, why this liver killing stack to weigh less? (Serious question) 22lbs in 3 months is a great improvement even on gear. Did you ever get blood work with this stack?
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No, it's been a little bit of an experiment as well as trying to bulk up which at certain points of this cycle I have bulked and others I've lost a little but more of a recomp then anything with certain compounds, and I did get bloods just over a month ago and a month before that, I plan to get some more next week and post the results but so far my liver has been in almst stellar shape and that was after the first 3 oral stacks I ran, the only values that have been slightly off was my blood p[ressure slightly elevated at times, and my HDL/LDL were just a little off according to my doc so part of the onlt reason I kept this going is because my health hasn't been effected that much thus far, or I would definitely call it quits! and I started this cycle at 176-178 and right now im at a steady 186-188 as of this week and somewhat leaner as well so in all reality I'm not weighing less on this cycle, yea I was up to 194 at one point naturally which was how I see it as close to my genetic potential so why not experiment now to get back to that weight and gain some more on top if I can? that's my goal, but like I said a lot of it is to experiment and see how I respond to these different compounds, get some experience as well and go from there depending on where my health and state of well being leads me...
 
Volvo140G said:
How much longer is the cycle Cali?
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no later then middle to end of july tops. I just don't wanna cut the test short before it gets a chance to work a little bit, so I wanna get about 10-12 weeks in and start massive PCT starting with HCG for 10 days at 500iu a day..
 
since everyone was posting pics of the forearm game I thought I would too, little embarrassed considering my vascularity is nowhere near my boy yates and dma's.. :-/

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How did I miss this log?!!
 
KilaCali said:
since everyone was posting pics of the forearm game I thought I would too, little embarrassed considering my vascularity is nowhere near my boy yates and dma's.. :-/

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Its the tren bro!
 
I think you look awesome!
 
So its been a minute cause life has been majorly hectic, and I also had to fire up some new logs for some products, but I will start updating this one again now that things seem to be calming down, this log seems to have lost its life which im somewhat sad about, but ill try to breathe some life into it..

so far the test/masteron run has been going good, definitely up a solid 5lbs and diet/caloric intake seems to be dictating where I wanna go with this so ive been eating more and more daily and I can feel the gains coming pretty fast like my body instantly utilizes everything and puts it where it needs to go for maximum growth! up to 191 now, no side effects at all this last week I've felt more "on" cycle again, actually getting more vascular with this bulk too, will have new pics soon enough.. ran out of exemestane I was running at 25mg ED so now I've replaced it with .50 Letro EOD hoping it controls it and also doesn't lag me down.. should have more exem within two weeks.. also got someone hooking me up with some TNE(Straight Test)/Tren Base 50mg/50mg to test out for basically just a pre workout thing, thinking of using it 3-4 days a week 1/2ML twice daily to get good blood levels of it for that time and make as much gains as possible from it..

Also I got picked by ageforce to try their new HGH and IGF-1/MGF patches, 90 day supply/log so that should boost my cycle big time, and it will last me into PCT to help that as well, will do probably 45days on cycle 45days off.. heres the link if you guys wanna check it out, its a dual log with a very pretty lady!

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Reece said:
You don't need to pin that TNE twice a day.. Just Pre-WO
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Agreed you only want to pin it once a day. It is very fast acting and only last a few hours so it wouldn't matter anyway.
 
Alright, I was seeing in a lot of other logs and reviews you could keep your levels somewhat balanced with a twice a day pinning 8-12 hours apart? but im gonna try once a day to start.. and gonna be dropping those updates in here right away and putting more into this as well, ! I want a strong finish for this drawn out log lol

Another log, this one for GSN NitroNOX PreWorkout
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Damn cali, you have all the logs going on!
 
yates84 said:
Damn cali, you have all the logs going on!
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lol I know right! I want free supplements and I have toomuch time on my hands, actually I don't but this helps when im sitting around for 10 or 20 waiting for my next time consuming situation... thanks!
 
Ok so got my bloods done yesterday, need some advice from you experienced AAS guys ! MrKleen73 jdg76 brundel

this was done on 2 days after my testp/testc injections, and the day before I had done my masteron/npp, the day I did it would have been my testp day..

Testosterone, TOTAL 241 - 827 ng/dL >1500

Cortisol morning 4.0 - 22.0 ug/dL 5.9
cortisol is actually low, that's good!


Iron 35 - 190 ug/dL 27
total iron binding capacity 230 - 430 ug/dL 324
Iron/total iron binding capacity 20 - 50 % 8

Total Protein 6.3 - 8.0 g/dL 6.8
Albumin 3.5 - 5.0 g/dL 4.4
Bilirubin, total 0.1 - 1.5 mg/dL 0.3
Bilirubin, conjugated <=0.3 mg/dL 0.1
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 45 - 129 IU/L 53
ALT 5 - 50 IU/L 38
AST 5 - 40 IU/L 61

this number is pretty high..
CREATINE KINASE
CK 25 - 287 IU/L 1505

from my experience higher CK means muscle strain or damage, anybody want to elaborate on this ??
 
Everything looks fine to me IMO. And you are fine with the CK numbers. I don't think you have much to worry about until they get into the thousands, >5000. Yes muscle breakdown causes your CK numbers to rise ;)
 
jdg76 said:
Everything looks fine to me IMO. And you are fine with the CK numbers. I don't think you have much to worry about until they get into the thousands, >5000. Yes muscle breakdown causes your CK numbers to rise ;)
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awesome, so yo think my test at 1500 is about right at how mch im on right now? (100prop eod/250cyp e4d) that test being 2 days after my last cyp and prop injection, making sure the test im using is dosed right according to that, seems abot right? thanks bro!
 
jdg76 said:
Everything looks fine to me IMO. And you are fine with the CK numbers. I don't think you have much to worry about until they get into the thousands, >5000. Yes muscle breakdown causes your CK numbers to rise ;)
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awesome, so yo think my test at 1500 is about right at how mch im on right now? (100prop eod/250cyp e4d) that test being 2 days after my last cyp and prop injection, making sure the test im using is dosed right according to that, seems abot right? thanks bro!
 
jdg76 said:
Everything looks fine to me IMO. And you are fine with the CK numbers. I don't think you have much to worry about until they get into the thousands, >5000. Yes muscle breakdown causes your CK numbers to rise ;)
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I think the only thing on there that might need attention is my iron is pretty low, I haven't been taking any multivitamins in abot a week or two now...
 
KilaCali said:
awesome, so yo think my test at 1500 is about right at how mch im on right now? (100prop eod/250cyp e4d) that test being 2 days after my last cyp and prop injection, making sure the test im using is dosed right according to that, seems abot right? thanks bro!
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On your CK levels if you did a killer workout the day before or especially that day you can see a rise in this and Creatinine levels. Remember the goal of lifting is to cause some breakdown that triggers recovery and super compensation. That muscle damage from workouts shows on blood work. My Doc tells me not to lift crazy heavy the day before or the day of my blood work that way my levels aren't messed up when they try to look at my renal values.


Your numbers don't look bad at all but the first thing I noticed was your Test is pretty low for being on an average of 700mg of test a week. My levels are between 1050-1100 every time from 150mg a week. When others I know are running close to what you are I am used to seeing much higher levels in the 2500+ range. The Prop could explain a small drop but with prop and EOD you should be getting pretty consistent levels since re-administering halfway through the half life.

Here is a pretty cool study to give you an idea of some averages to expect from 300 & 600mg of cyp a week. With you using Prop the actual test levels would be higher due to the low weight of the ester so you could probably assume you should be taking in about 750mg a week. Your levels should be over close to if not over 2500 right now.

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The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone’s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and IGF-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

IGF-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
Leg Power
300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
Hemoglobin
300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
Plasma HDL Cholesterol
300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
Acne
300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects."
 
MrKleen73 said:
On your CK levels if you did a killer workout the day before or especially that day you can see a rise in this and Creatinine levels. Remember the goal of lifting is to cause some breakdown that triggers recovery and super compensation. That muscle damage from workouts shows on blood work. My Doc tells me not to lift crazy heavy the day before or the day of my blood work that way my levels aren't messed up when they try to look at my renal values.


Your numbers don't look bad at all but the first thing I noticed was your Test is pretty low for being on an average of 700mg of test a week. My levels are between 1050-1100 every time from 150mg a week. When others I know are running close to what you are I am used to seeing much higher levels in the 2500+ range. The Prop could explain a small drop but with prop and EOD you should be getting pretty consistent levels since re-administering halfway through the half life.

Here is a pretty cool study to give you an idea of some averages to expect from 300 & 600mg of cyp a week. With you using Prop the actual test levels would be higher due to the low weight of the ester so you could probably assume you should be taking in about 750mg a week. Your levels should be over close to if not over 2500 right now.

"The following is part of a thread by heavyiron over at MD, the full abstact can be found here..Invalid Link Removed

The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone’s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and IGF-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

IGF-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
Leg Power
300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
Hemoglobin
300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
Plasma HDL Cholesterol
300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
Acne
300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects."
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damn man! so your sayin one or the other has to be bunk??? i was thinking the T seemed low as well, i did 250mg of cyp two days before that and been on it about 4 weeks now, and the same dy (two days prior to test) i did 100mg of the prop.... what do you think the problem could be?? i get the feeling maybe the cyp is underdosed... ?? appreciate it bro!!
 
and im also doing 400mg masteron a week,until a few days ago i wa running 100mg mastE EOD with 100mastp eod, (the mast e had major pip so that's why i was doing 1/2ML)
 
so today Is going to be one of those days where I try extremely hard to tear my body down, WELL trying not to permanently injure myself.. as with my other logs I posted I will be going 2 muscle groups a day for the next 3 days with super/tri/quad/giant and drop sets.. as well as negatives and rest pauses.. whatever fits in at the given time and feels right will be used without hesitation... about to head out here shortly to go set off the lunk alarm at planet fitness hahaha... wishing you all a great day and talk to you soon! god bless ;)
 
KilaCali said:
damn man! so your sayin one or the other has to be bunk??? i was thinking the T seemed low as well, i did 250mg of cyp two days before that and been on it about 4 weeks now, and the same dy (two days prior to test) i did 100mg of the prop.... what do you think the problem could be?? i get the feeling maybe the cyp is underdosed... ?? appreciate it bro!!
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I am saying that it would appear one or the other may be bunk, or one or both may be under dosed which is typically the case from underground labs. I would definitely talk to your source about it and see if he can help you out. They don't want to lose business or be bad mouthed so they tend to do what they can to correct it. The Masteron is not something they check for or something that would be recognized as testosterone so I wouldn't worry about that.
KilaCali said:
so today Is going to be one of those days where I try extremely hard to tear my body down, WELL trying not to permanently injure myself.. as with my other logs I posted I will be going 2 muscle groups a day for the next 3 days with super/tri/quad/giant and drop sets.. as well as negatives and rest pauses.. whatever fits in at the given time and feels right will be used without hesitation... about to head out here shortly to go set off the lunk alarm at planet fitness hahaha... wishing you all a great day and talk to you soon! god bless ;)
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Kill it man!
 
MrKleen73 said:
I am saying that it would appear one or the other may be bunk, or one or both may be under dosed which is typically the case from underground labs. I would definitely talk to your source about it and see if he can help you out. They don't want to lose business or be bad mouthed so they tend to do what they can to correct it. The Masteron is not something they check for or something that would be recognized as testosterone so I wouldn't worry about that.


Kill it man!
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Rt on brother!! NPP would have an effect on the test right or wrong??
 
thanks guys!

decided to start with some unilater supersets w/db's

incline bench 3x12 w/
bent over db row's 3x12-15 (since the db's only go to 75lbs at this place i utilized rest pause with nice long stretches and held the contraction at the top for 3 seconds until my lats almost spasmed off my body)

flat bench db press 3x10 again w/ 3x10-12
bent over db rows

already had a painfully large upper body pump going by the last set of incline's..

incline BB bench 3x18, 14, 11. 135/165/215 (started at 35 degree's, moved to 55-60 second set, finished with 75-80 degree's) just before it turned into more of a sholder front press.. super set w/
BB bent over wide grip row's 3x16, 14, 11 (adding 25lbs each time, started at 185)

BB flat bench 3x20/19/17 165 (kind of a burnout set for me, last set; really slow negative and positive)
superset w/ reverse grip BB row (my bread and butter usally for back and numbers, NOT TODAY) 3x14, 11, 9 185/215/265

so yea, supersets kicked my ass in a major way, but the pumps during and in between were insane, wish i could look like that all year round, vascularity shows up for the party in the form of what looks like heavyduty electrical/cable chords
probably gained around 2 inches easily on all body parts, sometimes i wonder where all that extra thickness comes from and goes!

on to the machines!

wide grip pulldowns 3x15 185 (nice controlled tempo, let the weight pull my upper lats out til they feel like their gonna tear off my body, pull the bar down to almost mid chest and getting nice contraction in there..)
superset w/ D-ring handle incline cable flyes, 40lbs? (4 plates each side) 3x15,15, drop set 3x removing plates after each set of 12-15

reverse grip pulldown 3x12,12,10 (205/215/225)
superset with decline bench pushups 3x15 (15 was the number of failure pushing the last 2, then 3, then 4 out)

hammer/neutral grip pullups 3x12-15 (the range i hit failure each time) superset w/
close grip dips 3x12-15 (again the point of failure started at 15, then down to 12)

45lb dumbbell pullover on bench, 3x12-15

all and all, it was a pretty eventful day, a couple little exercises i left out nothing special thogh, i was able to hit every aspect of the back, ill save deadlifts/back extensions for core day Saturday so to keep back fresh for legs tomorrow.... my pump stuck with me until about an hour afterwards, i can still feel it but most of it remains to be seen now unfortunately.. i jst figure if i keep training and when i decide to drop a little more bodyfat i cold possibly look like i do on a full pump all day..? maybe.. hAH
 
Nice work and no the NPP should not effect your testosterone count for this specific situation. I mean it would the aspect that it also shuts you down but in these tests they were 16 weeks into a cycle so they were shut down too. So the levels were all from the exogenous testosterone by that time. Same as yours would be from the previous period on the orals and what not.

The only thing that shows on a testosterone test is testosterone. Another steroid will not lower the amount of test in your system when you area already shut down and everything is exogenous.
 
Cool appreciate it! interested to see how it looks once I switch to straight prop EoD, I have one dose left of the cyp in abot 2 days then its al;l prop, ill be at 400test p/400masp/400 NPP
 
So I updated the intro post to add in all the changes I've made throughout the cycle, more detailed of whats left and what im currently doing.. so far the cycle has been getting better, today I did a 2.8CC Inject of NPP1.7ML(150+MG + MasteronP 1.1ML 110MG) and as I was pushing it into my right quad for some reason possibly placebo, I started to feel more relaxed yet alert and more uplifted.. maybe the NPP hittin the blood stream is bringing about the euphoric feeling? or that AND the masteron together with such short esthers are both adding to it? weight is up to 193/195 fluxuating, not really seeing much water retention or bloat other then around my stomache area some days I feel bloated in just that area, and seems like ill be carrying an extra couple pounds of fat, everywhere else has leaned up very nicely, BF is around 11-12% if I could get down to 9/10% well still bulking a little more that would be awesome, I know almost all of it right now is due to my diet.. so I may change it up a little in a week or two,, laely ive been getting around 200g protein, 3500-4000 calories somewhere around 3-400g carbs...
 
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What would be the most you could inject sub q at the one site? I fancy giving sub q a go ?
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It may depend on if it's a water or oil based compound and the longer the esther I wouldnt chance as much I'm thinking around 1 to 1/2ml, just kind of depends also how much the depots would bother you (the ball/lump of fluid under your skin). When I tried it out I did 1ml of test cyp on the right side of my belly button and that one was there about a week and it was a good size one, imagine half a smaller hotdog and that was allot the size of it, massaging it actually helped get rid of it faster, the other one I the left side was test prop 1ml and it was allot smaller and went away within two to three days, they get pretty tender after the first or second day as well so there ya go...my opinion; no more then 1ml longer acting esthers to prevent abscesses, faster esters I would say 1.5ml... remember to massage it every day the day after the pin and it should go away pretty fast hope this helped.
 
Interesting on the Sub-Q shots. I have heard of people doing this with lower doses like for TRT but never up higher in the 1CC area. I can't imagine there is a benefit to putting the oil Sub-Q other than possibly making a quick ester hit the system a little bit slower. Up in the 190's man that is good stuff at 5'7"!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Interesting on the Sub-Q shots. I have heard of people doing this with lower doses like for TRT but never up higher in the 1CC area. I can't imagine there is a benefit to putting the oil Sub-Q other than possibly making a quick ester hit the system a little bit slower. Up in the 190's man that is good stuff at 5'7"!
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Thanks bro! looking to get to 205 pretty soon, staying pretty lean in the process;..
as far as the subq I think the main thing they were emphasizing was for people that don't like the big injections, and its supposed to eliminate scar tissue and having to aspirate, but ive seen with people runnin insulin that they end up with almost worse scar tissue in their fat but that could be cause they don't rotate and stay around the navel area, with subq I think theres quite a few places you can go, I just don't like the fact it takes so long to hit your system and you can literally feel the depot of liquid just sitting there for a week, specially the longer esthered al;most two weeks.. the only thing you can do is massage it down, but also the risk of abcess seems higher even though statistics from a lot of sources claim the risk is the same as with IM..
 
Yeah, I don't think that is something for me. Like you said I like the idea of the quick release into the system. The sooner the mass of liquid is distributed the less chance of the body seeing it, and or treating it as a threat. Plus I don't really stick anything in me over 25g now and my pins are only 5/8 inch long. I pop them right into my quad since I have no fat on my legs. Makes it extremely easy. I have never had any issues with it that way either. Of course my pins only go to 1 ml, and my TRT shots are typically .35-.4ml twice a week so no big deal. If I were pinning 2-3ml at a time it would be different.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah, I don't think that is something for me. Like you said I like the idea of the quick release into the system. The sooner the mass of liquid is distributed the less chance of the body seeing it, and or treating it as a threat. Plus I don't really stick anything in me over 25g now and my pins are only 5/8 inch long. I pop them right into my quad since I have no fat on my legs. Makes it extremely easy. I have never had any issues with it that way either. Of course my pins only go to 1 ml, and my TRT shots are typically .35-.4ml twice a week so no big deal. If I were pinning 2-3ml at a time it would be different.
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I agree completely, I prefer the 25g/5/8 I even used 1/2 31g in my quad but I still feel like its not quite deep enough... so 5/8 is about perfect what part of your quad do you usually hit?
 
Upper vastus lateralis on the side, when I sit with my leg bent I pin it on the meaty portion that hangs out off the side just above the quad / hamstring seperation line. It is the meatiest and I have found I have less blood vessels there and do not seem to hit any nerves. Basically I do on quad one shot, then the other the next time then back to the first one but about an inch away from where I did it last time.

I used to do my glutes but twisting around my big ass lats to try to aspirate and plunge without moving the needle around a lot was problematic so I don't do it there. Sometimes I will pop it in my shoulder too but not very often. I have a lot of room to move around on my legs.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Upper vastus lateralis on the side, when I sit with my leg bent I pin it on the meaty portion that hangs out off the side just above the quad / hamstring seperation line. It is the meatiest and I have found I have less blood vessels there and do not seem to hit any nerves. Basically I do on quad one shot, then the other the next time then back to the first one but about an inch away from where I did it last time.

I used to do my glutes but twisting around my big ass lats to try to aspirate and plunge without moving the needle around a lot was problematic so I don't do it there. Sometimes I will pop it in my shoulder too but not very often. I have a lot of room to move around on my legs.
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Vastus lateralis is easiest IMO find the spot and Pin.

I hate doing glutes because I always get PIP wiggling the needle around haha
 
MrKleen73 said:
Upper vastus lateralis on the side, when I sit with my leg bent I pin it on the meaty portion that hangs out off the side just above the quad / hamstring seperation line. It is the meatiest and I have found I have less blood vessels there and do not seem to hit any nerves. Basically I do on quad one shot, then the other the next time then back to the first one but about an inch away from where I did it last time.

I used to do my glutes but twisting around my big ass lats to try to aspirate and plunge without moving the needle around a lot was problematic so I don't do it there. Sometimes I will pop it in my shoulder too but not very often. I have a lot of room to move around on my legs.
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Hell yea, I have the same damn issue with the glutes man! I can barely reach the very outside portion and start getting annoying feelings,yea the VL! that's my new spot I think as well, I can see the veins which seems like there only 3 or 4 big ones and I go for a spot in between and yea, never no blood or nerves, just started that last week after I seen a bunch of guys raving about it on another board, first time I tried it I was in awe lol, yea shoulder for me occasionally but ive been reading studies where they say upper body pins actually take a little longer to disperse as well, and I have noticed it seems like theres some truth to it!
 
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