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Running the Tri-Fecta Bridging 3 Cycles into 1 Big Tamale!

Good exemestane should have zero problems keeping estro at bay whilst running trest...

Nolva on cycle inhibiting gains? Doubt it
 
I like Nolva on cycle, just so I don't go AI overboard and tank my E2 levels, which can inhibit gains..

But I use Letro on cycle and Aromasin in pct..
 
KilaCali said:
yea that was the issue I was thinking so im just gonna enjoy the trest I know I need not be greedy or none of that cause I know for a fact im going to love every bit of it! and im gonna make sure to bump atleast 1.25 of Letro ED with it as well as a little tamox, though im thinking about Torem ive seen studies it raises test higher then nolva does and might be better on cycle.. I heard a lot that nolva on cycle hinders gains?? Anybodys input would be ap[preciated! Tryin to get 120% out of this run
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What do you mean Torem raises levels higher than Nolva and might be better on cycle?

Nolva will be better on cycle, over Torem.. I do like using Torem in pct, but not more than Clomid.. I wish Clomid & Nolva could be a hybrid and made into NOMID lol
 
DigitalB said:
What do you mean Torem raises levels higher than Nolva and might be better on cycle?

Nolva will be better on cycle, over Torem.. I do like using Torem in pct, but not more than Clomid.. I wish Clomid & Nolva could be a hybrid and made into NOMID lol
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LOL That would be awesome! your on to something there! and I don't know, ive seen some studies around its been a while since I read them but it mentioned something about nolva possibly inhibiting your gains for one reason or another, and in one study Torem raised natural test levels(free I believe) a good amount higher then nolva, and is less toxic as well, and ive seen ALOT of gyno protocols recommending torem over nolva with letro and prami but I cant say ive had a bad experience yet with nolva, I have read PLENTY of studies and experience as well with it working like a charm, ive never done the clomid nolva combo but I am this time because clomid does a few things that nolva doesn't as far as helping to restore certain levels of neccessery hormone/chemicals... I don't plan to go over 50mg clomid, im honestly thinking of running clomid 50/50/50/40/40/30/30 and nolva with it at 20/20/20/20/10/10/10/10 aromasin 25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5
 
I'd say 4-6 weeks would be plenty..
But Trest is hard to bounce back off I guess, I've never used it though..

I wouldn't start the Aromasin until 2 weeks before you drop the Serms..
But that may vary depending on how the gyno situation plays out..

I also thought you were concerned with T levels from Torem on cycle, so I read that wrong.. I've seen people say/use Torem for gyno, but personally I use Ralox..
 
All AI's and SERMs will hinder gains on cycle. But they must be used to combat the negative estro sides. But the idea is to use as little as needed to keep sides at bay so gains will be maximized.

And nothing raises natural test production when on cycle. There is no need to anyways. The exogenous hormone is your testosterone.
 
Dma378 said:
All AI's and SERMs will hinder gains on cycle. But they must be used to combat the negative estro sides. But the idea is to use as little as needed to keep sides at bay so gains will be maximized.

And nothing raises natural test production when on cycle. There is no need to anyways. The exogenous hormone is your testosterone.
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I guess I meant in pct is where I heard the torem was better then nolva at bringing back natty/free test bug honestly who REALLY knows? I think its different for each and every one of us and maybe one serm is better for you then me at a certain dose/length etc.. who knows lol, thanks again for the NFO your always one of my goto bro's for assistance, yates84 he's been holding out damnit! but I wont hold it against him.. but you are right man, so im wondering if I should run Nolva at 10mg when I fire up the trest if i'm not completely convinced the gyno has been eradicated as much as I feel necessary... or im wondering if torem would be better on cycle at 20-50mg for that and save the tamox for pct... Also this ralox has sounded alright too... Comeon GUYS give me feedback on what you all have heard and/or experienced with Torem, Ralox, Tamox and Clomid battling on cycle sides as well as PCT performance....
 
I'm here! I've always heard nolva on cycle, clomid for pct, and ralox for gyno treatment
 
I'm pretty sure I know what he meant though.. There's a lot of talk online about Proviron not being suppressive.. Or being used/prescribed in the UK for men.. I believe it was supposed to be like a fertility or male enhancement drug..
On UK forums there are lots of guys who use it in pct.. Kind of like some people use Osta in pct..

I use it for cycling, it has added benefits.. My supplier is a firm believer in using it on every cycle so I gave it a try, haven't stopped using it since.. It does get pricey though depending on dosage.. Some use it at 25-50mg in pct or for male benefits.. I use it at 75-100mg a day on cycle..

I've yet to see actually labs from anyone while on it.. Most people that I know who use it simply use it for 19nor compounds to keep libido up or for estrogen purposes.. I'd have to read up on it a bit, it's been awhile so my memory is vague..
 
DigitalB said:
I'm pretty sure I know what he meant though.. There's a lot of talk online about Proviron not being suppressive.. Or being used/prescribed in the UK for men.. I believe it was supposed to be like a fertility or male enhancement drug..
On UK forums there are lots of guys who use it in pct.. Kind of like some people use Osta in pct..

I use it for cycling, it has added benefits.. My supplier is a firm believer in using it on every cycle so I gave it a try, haven't stopped using it since.. It does get pricey though depending on dosage.. Some use it at 25-50mg in pct or for male benefits.. I use it at 75-100mg a day on cycle..

I've yet to see actually labs from anyone while on it.. Most people that I know who use it simply use it for 19nor compounds to keep libido up or for estrogen purposes.. I'd have to read up on it a bit, it's been awhile so my memory is vague..
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Yessss, I caught some studies about that, theres even a pct sup I spotted on a site somewhere its proviron/clomid/nolva all rolled into one with good doses, I thought that was pretty interesting...
 
Finally got my new AI/SERMS in today but im gonna stick with the letro I been using, might be slightly underdosed but its starting to work now, Ive been noticng it shrinking the little gyno symptoms ive been experiencing but now im actually feeling it in my joints, mainly my knee;'s are getting slightly achey..
Been running it at 2.5mg daily im gonna go about another week and start tapering down to probably 1mg and hold it at that,
Restarted Nolva, gonna roll that at 10mg the rest of the cycle, keeping prami as well at 1.5-2mg ED 4 weeks into pct.. and I like DigitalTs idea on the aromasin, definitely depending on how this final stretch with trest goes I will let it dictate what ai's ill run but I definitely don't want to run letro no further then a week, 2 tops into pct, probably drop it after a week and start the aromasin at 12.5 ED
DigitalB not sure if your aware of how long this cycle has gone and whats been involved by the reason I mention running such a long pct is because I only took a month off from the prior one which consisted of an 8 week run, and then started this one with a Quad PH Stack for four weeks, bridged to M1A/Chlostebol/Diabolix for 4 weeks and then bridged to the Epi/Tren and now im bridging this to the IM Trestolone Ace/Decoanate

so were looking at a good 11-12 week run total with some pretty suppressive supplements that were used, so I know my body is in dire need of a SERIOUS revamp after this, that's why I want a minimum of 8 weeks with serms/ai's/prolactin blockers/natty supps following by another 4 weeks of just natty supps and THEN I'm going to go a month completely free to really detox and cleanup and see how my body is feeling and check bloods before considering anything else.. not sure if that makes sense or not but I feel its definitely much needed ;)
 
P/S/ Feeling great guys just so you know, I hear a lot of this lethargy on letro and so far only the achey joints are kicking in, ive still had amazing energy and stamina and feel great, I coulnt even tell you I notice the 20mg less tren I dropped im still feeling like a savage and pumped all the time! hoping this keeps up, nobody likes lethargy :O
 
I Guess I can't change the name of the log lol changed my sig to catch up with the new plan, it has went from the Triple Stack Ginormous Tamale to the Quad Stack Bridge to Smothered Gain's & Greatness 3 PH Runs With an AAS To Finish it off.. what you guys think? hah and once again, I will be posting pics soon! I want to get some before I start the trest run cause I think its really gonna change my body composition.
 
jmyers said:
All this PH talk is making me feel all warm and fuzzy inisde, LOL.
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Right?? I love that warm fuzzy feeling!! been having it a lot lately with the epi/tren had to see the dentist for a little route canal action and had some Vicodin and really had the warm fuzzy feeling with all the combos of supps in the blood stream, very interesting mixture!
 
So I'm a little irritated, I placed a very SMALL order with a "highly" reputable company (allegedly) just to see how their service is and already I have an issue with the high prices but now the fact that I ordered on Wednesday night and it still says the USPS has not received the shipment yet and with anyone else I would have probably received the package by today or tomorrow and knowing they are closed on Sat/Sun kind of irritates me even more cause I probably wont receive it until Tuesday or wens which really messes with my schedule.. needless to say quite possibly the last time I do business with these guys.. not sure if its against the rules but they go by the name of R U I, we'll see what their response is to my email whenever the hell I get that. blahhh
 
Should have ordered from Nutraplanet!!! I ordered on Sunday and got it by Friday. Alllllll the way from the East coast!!! ?? Maybe even sooner, I forgot!
 
KilaCali said:
I Guess I can't change the name of the log lol changed my sig to catch up with the new plan, it has went from the Triple Stack Ginormous Tamale to the Quad Stack Bridge to Smothered Gain's & Greatness 3 PH Runs With an AAS To Finish it off.. what you guys think? hah and once again, I will be posting pics soon! I want to get some before I start the trest run cause I think its really gonna change my body composition.
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Good thing you still believe in the easter bunny lol
 
puccah8808 said:
Should have ordered from Nutraplanet!!! I ordered on Sunday and got it by Friday. Alllllll the way from the East coast!!! ���� Maybe even sooner, I forgot!
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Your telling me! Nutraplanet is awesome! everytime I order from them I get it within 2 days maybe 3 tops, im in Colorado.
 
Dma378 said:
Pharma = freedom
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110% Correct bro! Through my experience and others that I know in my cloes inner circle. If you just advise your family doctor, on what you are taking or going to take, they will pretty much prescribe you pharmaceutical grade SERMs
 
jmyers said:
110% Correct bro! Through my experience and others that I know in my cloes inner circle. If you just advise your family doctor, on what you are taking or going to take, they will pretty much prescribe you pharmaceutical grade SERMs
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That's awesome, im going to have to try that pretty soon
 
So now im wondering if I should jump back on aromasin, since nolva kills most effects from letro from all the research and studies ive seen and I can almost notice a diminished effect from the letro once I jumped on the nolva.. could all be in my head but I know exem runs great with nolva and letro and adex supposedly have issues when you mix them with it.. opinions?
 
Just run the serm and drop the AI..
You can worry about controlling estrogen in pct..

Could always low dose Aromasin if it makes you feel better, but I never did..

I also don't know how certain that Letro/Nolva myth is.. I've used both at once and Letro did its job just fine..
 
Thanks for the info, im gonna taper down letro and jump on 25mg aromasin for a little while with 10-20mg nolva, im gonna try and post the links to some of the info about the letro/tamox thing if it lets me..
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I believe that's one of them but I have read a few all referring to studies with bloods showing that tamox blocked a lot of the effects of letro and adex, but its all speculation to me, but I like youe plan, plus im just now startng to feel the lethargy kicking in a think from the letro and not liking it too much, it has got my gyno down a lot by my damn nips are still sensitive, im thinking their going to be thius way through the entire cycle its all a matter of keeping it In check..
 
Actually heres a snippet and the link to the whole study on one site I know ive seen some elsewhere but here was a little one..

"Drug-drug Interactions:In vitro studies showed that erythromycin, cyclosporin, nifedipine and diltiazem competitively inhibited formation of N-desmethyl tamoxifen with apparent K1 of 20, 1, 45 and 30 μM, respectively. The clinical significance of these in vitro studies is unknown.

Tamoxifen reduced the plasma concentration of letrozole by 37% when these drugs were co-administered. Rifampin, a cytochrome P-450 3A4 inducer reduced tamoxifen AUC and Cmax by 86% and 55%, respectively. Aminoglutethimide reduces tamoxifen and N-desmethyl tamoxifen plasma concentrations. Medroxyprogesterone reduces plasma concentrations of N-desmethyl, but not tamoxifen."
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So I was a little overboard on the Company not shipping when they did., must have been a miscommunication with the tracking number cause it said it wasn't even shipped yesterday and sure enough I got my nice little package today.... damn I didn't realize the 1" pins were so big lol, hate pins and this is gonna be my first time really tryin it out, gonna do a test run tomorrow with some trest ace and start Monday with the decoanate.. what you guys know about the Terumo Syringes? I hear they are good quality but I also hear BD Is better...
 
They'll work just fine...
I use BD, but some sizes aren't available where I buy so I use Terumo.. I like BD better but I think it's simply a brand name thing lol
 
Right on bro! that's kind of what I figured!... I know this is my log and its in anabolics but I try to break up the monotony and figured id see what yall think ABOUT this new Black Lion Research AI that's currently starting In the logging sections, according to dude its quite possibly stronger then Formestane,
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I'm VERY interested to see the results for a new OTC AI that has been boasted of having some very strong effects and its all natural of course.. figured I would hip yall to it just in case it turns out to be something worthwhile/...

Also I shall be doing ,y first test run tomorrow with 50mg Trest ACE if I didn't mention already, Monday I shall fire it up with 300mg/2ML of the trest dacoanate, I need your guys feedback, since having the slight gyno issue and pretty much getting it under control, would you guys recommend I cut back on my Tren Doses at all to keep from really overpowering with the 19nors??
Currently at 45Epi/85Tren, was thinking about droppin another 20mg tren tap and making it 65mg Tren, I know ill still catch the effects but could be a wise choice to avoid any serious sides coming fourth until I see how my body responds to the Trest...

thanks for the info and if anyone has abn extra bottle of Inhibit P or Prolactrone they might wanna trade or sell I would be interested in tryibng to work a deal just to beef up my prolactin control, I feel the Prami has helped a lot but I don't really wannna raise any higher then the 2mg I been runnin at ANd I think a nice otc prolactin agent would help,. always appreciate the feedback guys, love & Respect to my AM Family!!
 
Thanks for throwing up a link to my log man. I've dropped all RCs and am relying strictly on the BLR oral AI. so only time will tell...
 
Can't wait to hear how the BLR oral AI pans out.... I love their innovation!

Kali - when my nips lit up on cycle I ran low dose (6 mg daily) aromasin daily and had zero issues. To me, it felt preferable than running tamox to prevent binding to receptors in mai tits. Worked like a charm and that burny shooting stinging pain in mai titties never returned (til pct then I used tamox clomid and upped exem dose)
 
Volvo140G said:
Can't wait to hear how the BLR oral AI pans out.... I love their innovation!

Kali - when my nips lit up on cycle I ran low dose (6 mg daily) aromasin daily and had zero issues. To me, it felt preferable than running tamox to prevent binding to receptors in mai tits. Worked like a charm and that burny shooting stinging pain in mai titties never returned (til pct then I used tamox clomid and upped exem dose)
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Yea I actually feel like maybe the tamox is more of a hinderance then a help, im gonna stick with the Exem here after I taper down the letro dosage.. thanks for the info my friend!
 
I might add that I ran the exem at 25 mg first couple days, then a couple days at 12.5, and finally onto my 6 mg daily dose throughout the length of the cycle.

You don't wanna *****foot when you're nips are lit the F up :)

I've read nipple sensitivity is common/normal on cycle but I had gyno horror stories zooming thru my head and chose to be proactive in squashing it.
 
Dude I don't want to be the stick in the mud here, just that I've seen cycles aborted for seemingly less. Right now you are using Nolva, Letro and Exemestane in attempt to combat gyno symptoms and control estrogen. You're not quite sure how to win the battle yet and you're about to start injecting Trest in 2 different forms. I have to imagine that your hormones at this point are so out of whack and all over the place there is not much good going to come out of the Trest. Everyone is just sitting here cheering you on to keep going into a 4th cycle when you are scrambling to figure out your current one. Your F-ing around with these BS RC ancillaries, I hope your SERM is legit, because you're gonna need it to be.
 
I as well agree w/ Dma378. Get your stuff together before you push into another cycle because the results that you may wanna see will probably not be ther since your body is possibly out of whack
 
I Appreciate it guys, specially Dma, you tell it like it is no b.s. I'm definitely going rx grade next time on everything just because the gamble is not worth it , on a positive side of things I new serms and ai's I got are definitely working, im cutting back on the letro cause im starting to feel the lethargy In a major way from it but at the same time my nip issues have almost become non existant I've decided to stick with letro at 1.25 tops and 10mg no.va now that I have it under control, I started the trest on sunday, 150 deconate/75 ace, going to split the 300deca this week then do 300 once a week after this, and 75 ace EOD once again I appreciate all the feedback and help guys, your the best/1
 
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Sorry about taking so long guys! heres some new ones I got yesterday, I can definitely feel the trest putting a little bulk/water weight on me but stayin pretty lean for the most part and strength has been through the roof! let me know what you all think. checked my weight today im at 186, I've been kind of bouncing back and fourth through the week from 186 to 194.. depends on the carb/meals that day of course! hope you all have a great week end!
 
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Sorry about taking so long guys! heres some new ones I got yesterday, I can definitely feel the trest putting a little bulk/water weight on me but stayin pretty lean for the most part and strength has been through the roof! let me know what you all think. checked my weight today im at 186, I've been kind of bouncing back and fourth through the week from 186 to 194.. depends on the carb/meals that day of course! hope you all have a great week end!
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I was gonna say looking good, then I saw the Raiders hat. But seriously, looking good bro. This cycles been good to you
 
707kid said:
I was gonna say looking good, then I saw the Raiders hat. But seriously, looking good bro. This cycles been good to you
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The Raiders hat kinda messed it up for me too! Seriously though, you swole up homie
 
LOL! I had a feeling I would catch some flack over my boys haha ! appreciate it guys, im really happy wqith my legs my outter quad and my calves, people tell me I got fat people calves cause their so big.. my arms have shrunk a little and my upper chest isn't exactly where I want it to be but im about t go into overdrive and take advantage of this trest, starting to feel it kick in for sure!
 
Looks like I have a couple weeks of the TreST so maybe another 3-4 weeks, I might get a little vial of something else to run with it until they run out the pinnin has been great, a lot easier and smoother then I thought, I still am not a fan of it but ya gotta dowhat ya gotta do!!
 
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