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sanmarino I recently got xcels LGD and I think its either crappy LGD, the LGD isn't in there, or highly unlikely(gains not that good) but low dose. How can one tell if its crappy quality or its just not even there?
 
CJNator. Recently, every week is released some new SARM products from a lot of companies. Nice for the competition, indeed. But competition also means price reduction which is not always that good. Lower price means lower process standards (in the most cases, until you are the Coca-Cola Company, that's another story -> economies of scale).

Some very new companies are also trying to catch new customers. The first batches will contain the substance and afterwards (in a lot cases) not anymore.

So, I only can repeat myself: if you have the opportunity to get a oral liquid form, take this one. Why? Because the process to change the state from powder to liquid is more expensive to generate a higher margin. Of course, there is no 100% rate to avoid a contamination or mixing with AAS to improve the margin of the seller. I also had a Ostarine product (tabs) which was too strong and gave me lethargy... now you can guess, if it even was Ostarine or a oral AAS...
Secondly, choose retailer who produce and sell SARM for research purposes and not for human consumption legally. E.g. companies in the US are able to sell this stuff legally. You are increasing the chance that they work properly (if fully produced in the US) and not calculating any time with the police and mix the stuff in the bathroom.

Of course, there are also exception.

To be honest: the whole SARM story is like gambling. Some are building up a (temporary, until the laws are going to change again) business and get real stuff (yes, it is prossible to brew it) and others are only short term orientated and get some nasty powder from nowhere and selling to guys.
Every time you are taking a pill you should think about: seriously, WHAT the hell am I taking?

What concerns me more is the whole mixing stuff in one pill. It will be nearly impossible to prove what's in there. If it would be only LGD or only S-4 you could open the pills and measuring the melting point or solutability in water or DMSO or PEG-300 for example (if you have some haha).

Long story short: you are maybe realizing, it's in your case impossible to test what's in the cap. And generally, such mixing stuff makes NEVER sense for the customer, only for the seller. It's a psychologic game: you think you get more for your money and are "trusting" the vendor.
Don't trust anyone about "side effect free anabolics". It's and will never be possible to create a compount (like a Holy Grail) which only has effects but no side effect (the effect IS in case the side effect).

Here a quote of a paper:
Only 43 % of the black market products contained the substances declared on respective container labels. This low percentage demonstrates that many clandestine underground laboratories either lack knowledge and equipment to produce and/or to box the required compounds with adequate quality, or the customers’ health is knowingly put at serious risk in order to maintain or increase the distributor’s profit. At the same time, the willingness of the clients to purchase and use these substances outlines the naivety and irresponsibility of some recreational as well as professional athletes.
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Search this study (Identification of black market products and potential doping agents in Germany 2010–2013) and read it CAREFULLY. If you can't find it tell me how to attach this pdf in this forum (it costs normally).
 
sanmarino said:
CJNator. Recently, every week is released some new SARM products from a lot of companies. Nice for the competition, indeed. But competition also means price reduction which is not always that good. Lower price means lower process standards (in the most cases, until you are the Coca-Cola Company, that's another story -> economies of scale).

Some very new companies are also trying to catch new customers. The first batches will contain the substance and afterwards (in a lot cases) not anymore.

So, I only can repeat myself: if you have the opportunity to get a oral liquid form, take this one. Why? Because the process to change the state from powder to liquid is more expensive to generate a higher margin. Of course, there is no 100% rate to avoid a contamination or mixing with AAS to improve the margin of the seller. I also had a Ostarine product (tabs) which was too strong and gave me lethargy... now you can guess, if it even was Ostarine or a oral AAS...
Secondly, choose retailer who produce and sell SARM for research purposes and not for human consumption legally. E.g. companies in the US are able to sell this stuff legally. You are increasing the chance that they work properly (if fully produced in the US) and not calculating any time with the police and mix the stuff in the bathroom.

Of course, there are also exception.

To be honest: the whole SARM story is like gambling. Some are building up a (temporary, until the laws are going to change again) business and get real stuff (yes, it is prossible to brew it) and others are only short term orientated and get some nasty powder from nowhere and selling to guys.
Every time you are taking a pill you should think about: seriously, WHAT the hell am I taking?

What concerns me more is the whole mixing stuff in one pill. It will be nearly impossible to prove what's in there. If it would be only LGD or only S-4 you could open the pills and measuring the melting point or solutability in water or DMSO or PEG-300 for example (if you have some haha).

Long story short: you are maybe realizing, it's in your case impossible to test what's in the cap. And generally, such mixing stuff makes NEVER sense for the customer, only for the seller. It's a psychologic game: you think you get more for your money and are "trusting" the vendor.
Don't trust anyone about "side effect free anabolics". It's and will never be possible to create a compount (like a Holy Grail) which only has effects but no side effect (the effect IS in case the side effect).

Here a quote of a paper:


Search this study (Identification of black market products and potential doping agents in Germany 2010–2013) and read it CAREFULLY. If you can't find it tell me how to attach this pdf in this forum (it costs normally).
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Awesome read! I'll look it up asap!
 
sanmarino said:
Ahhh, now I understand. The whole stuff is in one capsule? Bad for you, this constellation makes no sense haha
But don't give up :) It will work nice - also with a little underdosed S-4.
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It's all in one bar the gw, i bought that on it's own.
I'll just buy more S4 and MK-677 and add it on top of the one tab, and more gw as the one bottle will run short.

It certainly contains MK-677, i'm familiar with it and can feel it doing it's thing, LGD feels like it's in there, like there's a monster lurking in the background and as for the S4 well i think it's there as i was looking a bit more vascular, i guess only time will tell.

But so far it's promising, it's invitro labs quad sarm is the main one i'm running, i can get liquid but cost will be prohibitive, as there's only one real supplier this side and don't they know it.
 
sanmarino said:
CJNator. Recently, every week is released some new SARM products from a lot of companies. Nice for the competition, indeed. But competition also means price reduction which is not always that good. Lower price means lower process standards (in the most cases, until you are the Coca-Cola Company, that's another story -> economies of scale).

Some very new companies are also trying to catch new customers. The first batches will contain the substance and afterwards (in a lot cases) not anymore.

So, I only can repeat myself: if you have the opportunity to get a oral liquid form, take this one. Why? Because the process to change the state from powder to liquid is more expensive to generate a higher margin. Of course, there is no 100% rate to avoid a contamination or mixing with AAS to improve the margin of the seller. I also had a Ostarine product (tabs) which was too strong and gave me lethargy... now you can guess, if it even was Ostarine or a oral AAS...
Secondly, choose retailer who produce and sell SARM for research purposes and not for human consumption legally. E.g. companies in the US are able to sell this stuff legally. You are increasing the chance that they work properly (if fully produced in the US) and not calculating any time with the police and mix the stuff in the bathroom.

Of course, there are also exception.

To be honest: the whole SARM story is like gambling. Some are building up a (temporary, until the laws are going to change again) business and get real stuff (yes, it is prossible to brew it) and others are only short term orientated and get some nasty powder from nowhere and selling to guys.
Every time you are taking a pill you should think about: seriously, WHAT the hell am I taking?

What concerns me more is the whole mixing stuff in one pill. It will be nearly impossible to prove what's in there. If it would be only LGD or only S-4 you could open the pills and measuring the melting point or solutability in water or DMSO or PEG-300 for example (if you have some haha).

Long story short: you are maybe realizing, it's in your case impossible to test what's in the cap. And generally, such mixing stuff makes NEVER sense for the customer, only for the seller. It's a psychologic game: you think you get more for your money and are "trusting" the vendor.
Don't trust anyone about "side effect free anabolics". It's and will never be possible to create a compount (like a Holy Grail) which only has effects but no side effect (the effect IS in case the side effect).

Here a quote of a paper:


Search this study (Identification of black market products and potential doping agents in Germany 2010–2013) and read it CAREFULLY. If you can't find it tell me how to attach this pdf in this forum (it costs normally).
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ughhhh I wish I could make everyone read this !
 
Interesting thing is all the different ostarine results both positive and negative. I have only used from 1 company and always felt great and minimal shutdown, no blood work to know level. Assuming alot of ostarine is spiked with phrohormones from the capper? Thoughts?
 
Joedoubledose said:
ughhhh I wish I could make everyone read this !
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Read what? The study? Tell me how to attach pdf files on this forum. Otherwise you have to pay £50 without "privileged" access :D
mase1: as long as there is no reference substance (Enobosarm) avaiable, our thoughts are repeating themselve. The end of the story would be that we have no clue what we are consuming and have to trust (haha) the companies.
We can be happy if we get underdosed soup instead of bacteria/virus spiked powder/solition because one of the chinese kids had the MARS-virus and a strong cought without wearing a mask (to expensive lol).
hamdysayed: yes, I have my "trusted" company on MK-677. Can't say that because of board rules. Danes, totally agree with you (in my case). Even more, when we managed to figure out your friends myterious problem :D Oh crap I forgot, will have a look on the LOT tomorrow. Promised. Have to sleep now :)

EDIT: if anyone wants to help me: xxxxxxx.xxx/forum/general-chat/269678-headin-usa.html
Would appreciate some recomme dations or suggestions about Gold's Gym / Venice Beach / LA. If somebody wants to share with me :)


EDIT 2: still can't post links (even when it's from the same board?!). Please fix that 1000 posts are too much to reach....
 
sanmarino my friend, use the link but remove www and the DOT after www.

It would not be possible to click on the link but it takes 1 sec to copy/paste in the browser :)
 
Danes said:
But legit :)












MOD EDIT: People need to read the rules before they tell me what the board should do about post count.
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Do u guys even sell any of that stuff here mod?
I tried to search but nothing came up but bunch of forums so not sure why it's a taboo?
I'm new to these forums so if u wpuldnt mind elaborating Lil more so I can understand what's going on?
 
sanmarino I just saw a company come out with a SARM called YK-11 which is a myosatin inhibitor, do know know about this sarm?

Edit: I would look into it more but I'm at the gym right now.
 
CJNator said:
sanmarino I just saw a company come out with a SARM called YK-11 which is a myosatin inhibitor, do know know about this sarm?

Edit: I would look into it more but I'm at the gym right now.
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YK-11 is still in the pipelines. It's not tested yet on humans nor on animals, only on the specific called C2C12-muscle cell. The japanese researcher made some comparisons with DHT concerning various indicators.
YK-11 is mentionned as a SARM. I wrote in another post, that YK-11 is not a SARM. That's only partially right: based on its structure is a full steroid with probably more selective effect than other AAS/PH. The main difference from other SARM is, that YK-11 is the only substance which is based on a cholesterole construction (like other AAS/PH). The reason of its effects is probably in the similarity to Testosterone (not a wonder, because same basis) and THE point which makes YK-11 interesting: the increase in follistatin (will be explained later).
Furthermore, it's too early to classify YK-11 as a full SARM because there are no serious studies made concerning the improvement of muscle building and its side effects. But to classify something as a SARM sounds always good ;)

Litte excurse:
By the way: all the SARM are not that selective, that it full avoid the side effects known from classic AAS. A lot of people think that there is no increase e.g. in prostata with abusing a SARM like Ostarine or LGD. Compared to Testosterone the effect on the prostata is small (depending on dosage: >25mg/ed Ostarine increases the side effects drastically) - but it's still there. So, no illusion about the "holy grail" about only affecting the muscle mass. For that case - or better said to enhance the selectiveness as high as possible, 100% are not able to reach - we probably should wait for the development of (third or) fourth generation SARM. Maybe then the selectivness is getting improved.

So, back to YK-11:

Even the researchers are not 100% sure, they write in their report that YK-11 "could" act as a SARM. That should show you how unknown the component is (there aren't even animal studies). There aren't even information about the anabolic-androgenic ratio.

What we can say out of the known facts, that YK-11 is a "more selective anabolic + follistatin-enhancer". If you want to go a step further you could classify YK-11 as Testosterone 2.0 because also Testosterone increases the follistatin which causes a decrease in myostatine (but of course only for a limited time period and not unlimited in the value. The body has its protective mechanism to keep everything in balance).

But interestingly, YK-11 causes a higher follistatin increase than DHT for example. And this fact here is the biggest problem: IF YK-11 will be ever launched as a drug then the target group won't be for example patients with serious cancer illness. The fact that YK-11 causes a high follistatine increase reduces the number of persons/patients who will use this drug (if launched).
Of course: follistatin enhancer (aka indirect myostatin inhibitor) sounds nice for every athlete. Everyone testing this stuff should be sure enough if he wants to take the risks connected with myostatin inhibition.

Long story short:
- YK-11 may have a "more selective" effect in comparison to other AAS.
- Still in pipeline, a lot of things still unknown (anabolic-androgenic-ratio, side effect profile, ...)
- No animal and no human studies.
- Potential of YK-11 as a real selective ARM in combination with the follistatin increase is huge. With the right anabolic-andrognic-ratio the potential increases.
- Don't mess it up with follistatin: the potential adverse events can be very serious and YK-11 is definitely not a drug for beginners. If you know you have cancer or cell mutation or have such cases in family history don't take YK-11 under any circumstances as long as there are still nearly zero information out there!
- Also note that the increase in follistatin (and decrease in myostatin) of YK-11 is not permanent: it only lasts as long the drug is taken and with increase of the intake lenght the improvement of follistatin is getting weaker (with high probability).
- Nevertheless: if someone thinks to test YK-11 in this early stadium: do a blood work in any case! (There are no information about toxicity, suppression, influence on lipid values, cholesterole values, metabolism, ... NOTHING. Not even about dosage and lenght of the substance intake).
 
sanmarino said:
YK-11 is still in the pipelines. It's not tested yet on humans nor on animals, only on the specific called C2C12-muscle cell. The japanese researcher made some comparisons with DHT concerning various indicators.
YK-11 is mentionned as a SARM. I wrote in another post, that YK-11 is not a SARM. That's only partially right: based on its structure is a full steroid with probably more selective effect than other AAS/PH. The main difference from other SARM is, that YK-11 is the only substance which is based on a cholesterole construction (like other AAS/PH). The reason of its effects is probably in the similarity to Testosterone (not a wonder, because same basis) and THE point which makes YK-11 interesting: the increase in follistatin (will be explained later).
Furthermore, it's too early to classify YK-11 as a full SARM because there are no serious studies made concerning the improvement of muscle building and its side effects. But to classify something as a SARM sounds always good ;)

Litte excurse:
By the way: all the SARM are not that selective, that it full avoid the side effects known from classic AAS. A lot of people think that there is no increase e.g. in prostata with abusing a SARM like Ostarine or LGD. Compared to Testosterone the effect on the prostata is small (depending on dosage: >25mg/ed Ostarine increases the side effects drastically) - but it's still there. So, no illusion about the "holy grail" about only affecting the muscle mass. For that case - or better said to enhance the selectiveness as high as possible, 100% are not able to reach - we probably should wait for the development of (third or) fourth generation SARM. Maybe then the selectivness is getting improved.

So, back to YK-11:

Even the researchers are not 100% sure, they write in their report that YK-11 "could" act as a SARM. That should show you how unknown the component is (there aren't even animal studies). There aren't even information about the anabolic-androgenic ratio.

What we can say out of the known facts, that YK-11 is a "more selective anabolic + follistatin-enhancer". If you want to go a step further you could classify YK-11 as Testosterone 2.0 because also Testosterone increases the follistatin which causes a decrease in myostatine (but of course only for a limited time period and not unlimited in the value. The body has its protective mechanism to keep everything in balance).

But interestingly, YK-11 causes a higher follistatin increase than DHT for example. And this fact here is the biggest problem: IF YK-11 will be ever launched as a drug then the target group won't be for example patients with serious cancer illness. The fact that YK-11 causes a high follistatine increase reduces the number of persons/patients who will use this drug (if launched).
Of course: follistatin enhancer (aka indirect myostatin inhibitor) sounds nice for every athlete. Everyone testing this stuff should be sure enough if he wants to take the risks connected with myostatin inhibition.

Long story short:
- YK-11 may have a "more selective" effect in comparison to other AAS.
- Still in pipeline, a lot of things still unknown (anabolic-androgenic-ratio, side effect profile, ...)
- No animal and no human studies.
- Potential of YK-11 as a real selective ARM in combination with the follistatin increase is huge. With the right anabolic-andrognic-ratio the potential increases.
- Don't mess it up with follistatin: the potential adverse events can be very serious and YK-11 is definitely not a drug for beginners. If you know you have cancer or cell mutation or have such cases in family history don't take YK-11 under any circumstances as long as there are still nearly zero information out there!
- Also note that the increase in follistatin (and decrease in myostatin) of YK-11 is not permanent: it only lasts as long the drug is taken and with increase of the intake lenght the improvement of follistatin is getting weaker (with high probability).
- Nevertheless: if someone thinks to test YK-11 in this early stadium: do a blood work in any case! (There are no information about toxicity, suppression, influence on lipid values, cholesterole values, metabolism, ... NOTHING. Not even about dosage and lenght of the substance intake).
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Thanks a lot! Glad you told me about this.
 
Great Read!
 
sanmarino said:
YK-11 is still in the pipelines. It's not tested yet on humans nor on animals, only on the specific called C2C12-muscle cell. The japanese researcher made some comparisons with DHT concerning various indicators.
YK-11 is mentionned as a SARM. I wrote in another post, that YK-11 is not a SARM. That's only partially right: based on its structure is a full steroid with probably more selective effect than other AAS/PH. The main difference from other SARM is, that YK-11 is the only substance which is based on a cholesterole construction (like other AAS/PH). The reason of its effects is probably in the similarity to Testosterone (not a wonder, because same basis) and THE point which makes YK-11 interesting: the increase in follistatin (will be explained later).
Furthermore, it's too early to classify YK-11 as a full SARM because there are no serious studies made concerning the improvement of muscle building and its side effects. But to classify something as a SARM sounds always good ;)

Litte excurse:
By the way: all the SARM are not that selective, that it full avoid the side effects known from classic AAS. A lot of people think that there is no increase e.g. in prostata with abusing a SARM like Ostarine or LGD. Compared to Testosterone the effect on the prostata is small (depending on dosage: >25mg/ed Ostarine increases the side effects drastically) - but it's still there. So, no illusion about the "holy grail" about only affecting the muscle mass. For that case - or better said to enhance the selectiveness as high as possible, 100% are not able to reach - we probably should wait for the development of (third or) fourth generation SARM. Maybe then the selectivness is getting improved.

So, back to YK-11:

Even the researchers are not 100% sure, they write in their report that YK-11 "could" act as a SARM. That should show you how unknown the component is (there aren't even animal studies). There aren't even information about the anabolic-androgenic ratio.

What we can say out of the known facts, that YK-11 is a "more selective anabolic + follistatin-enhancer". If you want to go a step further you could classify YK-11 as Testosterone 2.0 because also Testosterone increases the follistatin which causes a decrease in myostatine (but of course only for a limited time period and not unlimited in the value. The body has its protective mechanism to keep everything in balance).

But interestingly, YK-11 causes a higher follistatin increase than DHT for example. And this fact here is the biggest problem: IF YK-11 will be ever launched as a drug then the target group won't be for example patients with serious cancer illness. The fact that YK-11 causes a high follistatine increase reduces the number of persons/patients who will use this drug (if launched).
Of course: follistatin enhancer (aka indirect myostatin inhibitor) sounds nice for every athlete. Everyone testing this stuff should be sure enough if he wants to take the risks connected with myostatin inhibition.

Long story short:
- YK-11 may have a "more selective" effect in comparison to other AAS.
- Still in pipeline, a lot of things still unknown (anabolic-androgenic-ratio, side effect profile, ...)
- No animal and no human studies.
- Potential of YK-11 as a real selective ARM in combination with the follistatin increase is huge. With the right anabolic-andrognic-ratio the potential increases.
- Don't mess it up with follistatin: the potential adverse events can be very serious and YK-11 is definitely not a drug for beginners. If you know you have cancer or cell mutation or have such cases in family history don't take YK-11 under any circumstances as long as there are still nearly zero information out there!
- Also note that the increase in follistatin (and decrease in myostatin) of YK-11 is not permanent: it only lasts as long the drug is taken and with increase of the intake lenght the improvement of follistatin is getting weaker (with high probability).
- Nevertheless: if someone thinks to test YK-11 in this early stadium: do a blood work in any case! (There are no information about toxicity, suppression, influence on lipid values, cholesterole values, metabolism, ... NOTHING. Not even about dosage and lenght of the substance intake).
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Great read.
And I really see no point using those Research chemicals/compounds when we know so little about them. Not to mention Long term sides.
I see many dont want to do steroids but taking those research chemicals is no problem.

I am 100% natural but i would rather use steroids than many of those new stuff.
With steroids, we know all kind of sides and even how to "prevent" them or lower them.
 
Danes said:
Great read.
And I really see no point using those Research chemicals/compounds when we know so little about them. Not to mention Long term sides.
I see many dont want to do steroids but taking those research chemicals is no problem.

I am 100% natural but i would rather use steroids than many of those new stuff.
With steroids, we know all kind of sides and even how to "prevent" them or lower them.
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Thanks bud. Would PM you, but actually doesn't work.
Absolutely agree with you. But as you know: the forbidden fruits are always the sweetest ;) Probably there is also a little "hype"-factor. Remember the LGD with 12x potency of Ostarine in the paper? Even the dosage of the LGD intake wasn't that clear but a lot of users already drank that stuff like water :D

Yes, also full agree in this part. AAS are researched over decades in comparison to SARM - and are therefore much safer (tested under uncountable several conditions).
 
sanmarino said:
Thanks bud. Would PM you, but actually doesn't work.
Absolutely agree with you. But as you know: the forbidden fruits are always the sweetest ;) Probably there is also a little "hype"-factor. Remember the LGD with 12x potency of Ostarine in the paper? Even the dosage of the LGD intake wasn't that clear but a lot of users already drank that stuff like water :D

Yes, also full agree in this part. AAS are researched over decades in comparison to SARM - and are therefore much safer (tested under uncountable several conditions).
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No problem Buddy :)
I totaly agree with you about the forbidden fruits and it makes people curious :)
It is maybe possible Ostarine,LGD,RAD140 and other SARM is much safer than Testosterone but we dont know right now.
I would rather use Turinabol at 50mg than lets say LGD at 12mg.
I bet i would get much better gains and sides would be actually mininal. And Turina has been out since 60s :)
 
Me personally would rank Ostarine - as far you can say that - as the "safest" SARM. But the facts are also thin, so here of course no generalization.
Yeah, Turinabol is nearly a relict on the earling doping days :D But still a option, why not?

But the probably best researched AAS is and will be the classical male sexual hormone: Testosterone. It has probably the best effect and side effect ratio of all and is well studied on every possible topic. It's a product from natur but us humans think we can beat the nature by changing the structure.

But we will see what the future brings us - also with real gene doping...
 
sanmarino said:
Me personally would rank Ostarine - as far you can say that - as the "safest" SARM. But the facts are also thin, so here of course no generalization.
Yeah, Turinabol is nearly a relict on the earling doping days :D But still a option, why not?

But the probably best researched AAS is and will be the classical male sexual hormone: Testosterone. It has probably the best effect and side effect ratio of all and is well studied on every possible topic. It's a product from natur but us humans think we can beat the nature by changing the structure.

But we will see what the future brings us - also with real gene doping...
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Could not agree more :)
Testosterone + Turinabol would be sweet stack :D
 
sanmarino said:
Me personally would rank Ostarine - as far you can say that - as the "safest" SARM. But the facts are also thin, so here of course no generalization.
Yeah, Turinabol is nearly a relict on the earling doping days :D But still a option, why not?

But the probably best researched AAS is and will be the classical male sexual hormone: Testosterone. It has probably the best effect and side effect ratio of all and is well studied on every possible topic. It's a product from natur but us humans think we can beat the nature by changing the structure.

But we will see what the future brings us - also with real gene doping...
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I would love to hear what you know regarding gene doping specifically for enhanced performance/hypertrophy.
 
AndroRage said:
I would love to hear what you know regarding gene doping specifically for enhanced performance/hypertrophy.
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Not much to tell about gene doping.
Gene doping is - simple said - a way to increase the performance with gene expressions. In the broadest sense steroid hormones are also gene doping: the proteins (the steroid hormone receptor - steroid complexes) will be set in front of the different DNA-parts which are responsible for the transcription of the muscle structure proteins. Therefore, steroid hormones are - in the broadest sense - a very effective gene doping. The disadvantage is that the effect only lasts as long the drug is taken.
Beside of gene doping in the broadest sense there is - of course - a gene doping in narrow sense: the direct gene doping.

I'm talking about gene transfers via retroviruses. The gene will be replaced et voila: you changed your DNA for ever. The effect is now permanent. That also means for side effects if you crack up something there is a HUGE mistake potential (at the moment, who knows what happens in 2150?).

This - the narrow sense - is meang by gene doping. You are born in the wrong time period, gene doping won't probably be a (serious) alternative in the next 60-70 years ;)
 
Dr. Frankinstein was ahead of his time!!
 
Rocket3015 said:
Dr. Frankinstein was ahead of his time!!
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No joke, this will happen (again? ;) ) if the human being plays god... So the scenario about socalled "zombies" is not that unrealistic in broad way (but I honestly doubt if a test subject can survive such a unpredictive change in the genome...). Even the "controlled" mutations in corncob showed a random change of the DNA sequence. And now imagine that on a human :icon_lol:

By the way:
In April or May 2015 a chinese research team tried to correct a gene (which is responsible for a blood disease) of human embryos (there were not able to live so only "partially" ethical question).
4 out of 54 worked (7.04%) but >99% were needed to "approve" it. Nevertheless, the researches were stopped "because too many unplanned gene mutations have arisen".

It remembers somehow on the times of The Third Reich in which prisoners in the concentration camps were used for various unimaginable "tests"... Nevertheless, a VERY interesting area.
 
Simple question but I'm aware GW has a 24hr half life but does not taking is preworkout take away from its benefit?
 
great read. i have been doing a lot of research into SARM and peps and MK677 is one of my favorites. i will be following this thread for any updates.
 
CJNator said:
Simple question but I'm aware GW has a 24hr half life but does not taking is preworkout take away from its benefit?
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Yes, you are right, GW has a 24h half life. The dosage will accumulate in the human body until you reached a certain level. But I didn't notice a very high additional benefit when taking GW prior training (usually taking it in the morning, if on cycle). It does its work also when taken in the morning.
 
Yo danes I ordered that mk677 from OL,good deal.
did ur buddy have any recomp effects lol I forgot if he did or not....
 
hamdysayed said:
Yo danes I ordered that mk677 from OL,good deal.
did ur buddy have any recomp effects lol I forgot if he did or not....
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Yo :)
Yes. And he loved massive pumps too :)
But another friend of mine , he was disspointed. The reason could be the dose ofcourse:)
 
Danes said:
Yo :)
Yes. And he loved massive pumps too :)
But another friend of mine , he was disspointed. The reason could be the dose ofcourse:)
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niceeeeee, how he dosed it and how long he used it for?
Imma doit for 3 month or should I go longer?
 
Already bought mk677.
Sick deal, too bad alot of ppl don't trust OL n think their products not to be trusted.
 
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