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BLACK LION RESEARCH NEW (-)-EPICATECHIN

I think one the AI's are ready, the Folidrone and the AI's will be flying of the selves
 
Rocket3015 said:
That is what I am Waiting on also!
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Ita coming soon. I just ordered 110gal of ethanol and dozens of gals of iso mystrate etc etc. The raws are en route and we will begin production right away.
I still have 1500 empty formeron bottles so i get to put them to use.

Also the oral is shipping to the manufacturer tomorrow for capping. So...3 weeks.

Transdermal approx 2 weeks.
 
brundel said:
Ita coming soon. I just ordered 110gal of ethanol and dozens of gals of iso mystrate etc etc. The raws are en route and we will begin production right away.
I still have 1500 empty formeron bottles so i get to put them to use.

Also the oral is shipping to the manufacturer tomorrow for capping. So...3 weeks.

Transdermal approx 2 weeks.
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How about this new -epi product?
 
I believe Black Lion is in demand !! Thank you brundel for your hard work !
 
Day 13 active rest

Fasted AM Cardio
27 Min Run

PM Cardio and Abs

45 mins on elliptical
Level 12 speed 5-6

Roman chair leg lifts
10 sets of 20


Took three caps on empty stomach split through the day. Was worn out from the past few days but once i hit the gym i was ready to kill it again lol. Yesterday was an active rest day which for me equals no weights. So I took it easy and just hit some cardio and abs. Tonight i am going to hit back heavy, high intensity.

Also cardio is becoming so second nature and almost not even a thought when doing it. My endurance is much more profound. The only reason I am not using that endurance towards the cardio is because my ultimate goal is lean muscle growth and rentention, and i dont want to sacrifice my hard earned gains. However if i were a runner, or even a sprinter taking this supplement, it would really shine for that pourpose as well!
 
paul56778 said:
Cool progress, any updates on the pre supplements and plans for other products Brundel.:thumbsup:
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Working on the stim portion of the pre. We dont want to use anything common which makes things very difficult. Working hard on it.

The new mixed epi product is looking good. Working on final doses and testing.

The new anabolic is in and ill likely cap some up for testing next week. If neither kasaj or halfhuman grow a third eye during testing well move quick on it.
 
brundel said:
Working on the stim portion of the pre. We dont want to use anything common which makes things very difficult. Working hard on it.

The new mixed epi product is looking good. Working on final doses and testing.

The new anabolic is in and ill likely cap some up for testing next week. If neither kasaj or halfhuman grow a third eye during testing well move quick on it.
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are the stims systematic or localized...?
 
Day 14

Fasted AM Cardio
26 min run


PM Training: Back

Deadlifts
135x20 (Warm Up)
225x10 (Warm Up)
225x10 Raise to 315x5 raise to 405 x 5 drop to 315x5 drop to 225x5 drop to 135x10
That one set took was massively draining, and hit my CNS and muscles HARD!

Underhand Bent Over Barbell Rows
Performed with Strict form and slow reps
135x10 (Warm Up)
225x5 (Warm Up)
135x10 225x5 raise 315x2 drop 225x5 drop 135x20

Wide Grip Lat Pull Downs
180x10 x 2 sets
120x15

Wide Grip Pull Ups (from bottom locked position, pulling with lats only, Isolated form)
bodyweight to failure(8-9) then partials(3-4)

Narrow Grip Cable Rows
120x15
140x12
160x12

Straight Bar Lat Pullovers
50x15
57.5x10 drop 35x10
60x10 drop 42.75x10

1 Arm Cable Rows, with squeeze at top of every rep and stretch at bottom
42.5x10
50x10 drop 20 x 10 x 2 sets




Day 15

Arms: Lightweight Pump Workout:

One arm tricep pushdowns
20 x fail x 5 sets
Superset
One arm bicep curls
20 x fail x 5 sets

Hammer rope curls
35 x fail x 3 sets
Superset
Overhead rope extensions
35 x fail x 3 sets


Reverse straight bar curls:
45 x 30 x 2 sets
Superset
Bench dips with plate
45 x 35 drop bodyweight x fail x 2 sets

Shoulders: light weight pump work

Standing overhead press on smith
45 x 75 reps


Circuit: 10 reps each exercise, 40 total
- Side laterals w/ 3 sec negatives
-hammer curl to bent elbow lateral raise
- bent elbow lateral raise
-standing rear delt flyes, slightly bent over
10 x 40 12.5 x 40 15 x 40

DB Shoulder Shrugs
50 x 30 , intra set hanging stretch 30 secs, then one arm shrugs x fail
2 sets

Calves:
Extensions on Leg press with intraset stretching and holds at top of every rep
200 x 15 300 x 12 350 x 10 400 X 10

Calf extension machine
150 x 30 raise 230 x fail
230 x 10 drop 160 x fail drop 115 x fail drop 90 x fail drop to one leg 70 x fail drop 50 x fail
Done for two sets, then went straight into HIIT Cardio to finish them off

Cardio on Elliptical
10 mins HIIT 45 jog 15 sprint
20 mins jog, one minute sprint every 5 minutes

Overall some great workouts. Killer back session, and some good pump work. My endurance is definitely up. Strentgh is maintaining and within the past two days my hunger is crazy. I have been following my body and eating more food. Since i have leaned out quite a bit i figure i might as well take advantage and grow, especially if my body is demanding it, which in this case, it certainly has been!

I think i am really starting to see some nice effects of this epi, its really picking up!
 
"I think i am really starting to see some nice effects of this epi, its really picking up!"

I believe EPI is a great addition !! I am loving it!
 
Good stuff bro. Def take advantage of it. Epi really increases metabolism so cals have to be high or youll cut. Add in sufficient cals though and youll blow up.
 
brundel said:
Good stuff bro. Def take advantage of it. Epi really increases metabolism so cals have to be high or youll cut. Add in sufficient cals though and youll blow up.
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I just started to add about 2-400 calories a day, I will see where that takes me...I think I may have been missing out on some gains!!
 
When on cycle and growing you need 2g protein per lb of desired bodyweight. So if your goal is 200lbs you need 400.
Also a min of 500 extra cals per day. If your not gaining after a week add another 500. If you start to get a little chubby add cardio.
 
brundel said:
When on cycle and growing you need 2g protein per lb of desired bodyweight. So if your goal is 200lbs you need 400.
Also a min of 500 extra cals per day. If your not gaining after a week add another 500. If you start to get a little chubby add cardio.
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Curious where you came up with all these arbitrary numbers, is it based on anecdotal experience or something you have read?
 
You are a smart guy and certainly don't come across as really trying to learn as much as start trouble, so if that's the case then shame on me.
 
kisaj said:
You are a smart guy and certainly don't come across as really trying to learn as much as start trouble, so if that's the case then shame on me.
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I think everyone should be open to expanding their knowledge continuously, hearing different ideas and viewpoints particularly on this very subject since it isn't spoken about much around here. I don't know what to tell you if you feel a very bland an unloaded question like that is starting trouble...

Feel free to chime in on answering my question if you wish.
 
100% from experience.
Lets take myself. I started at 135lbs and at my largest was 250lbs. 235 at 7%. So about 100lbs of muscle i put on myself. One thing i know is how to grow. Ive also applied my approach to a ton of others and Ive yet to see anyone fail who strictly adhered to the plan.
I also know a ton of competitors, some who are ifbb pros, and i see what they did and do to grow and cut snd maintain.
Experience for the win.
 
brundel said:
100% from experience.
Lets take myself. I started at 135lbs and at my largest was 250lbs. 235 at 7%. So about 100lbs of muscle i put on myself. One thing i know is how to grow. Ive also applied my approach to a ton of others and Ive yet to see anyone fail who strictly adhered to the plan.
I also know a ton of competitors, some who are ifbb pros, and i see what they did and do to grow and cut snd maintain.
Experience for the win.
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Thanks, that answers my question. 100lbs is a serious amount of weight, what you checking in at these days?
 
brundel said:
When on cycle and growing you need 2g protein per lb of desired bodyweight. So if your goal is 200lbs you need 400.
Also a min of 500 extra cals per day. If your not gaining after a week add another 500. If you start to get a little chubby add cardio.
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At 57 tears old I don't put on muscle like I used to, and being a former Fatty I am always scared to gain weight, so I am always very cautious, in the last three days I have added 3lbs so I am taking it slow and steady. I do respect you opinions and definitely appreciate your help!! Thank you!
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Thanks, that answers my question. 100lbs is a serious amount of weight, what you checking in at these days?
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Today, first thing in the morning after peeing and before any coffee or food 217. maybe 10%.
Keep in mind a few things though.
Im clean now so no "supplements"
I had a cardiac arrest in 2011 and was in a coma for 13 days and in bed for another 4 weeks with...another 2 more months I couldnt train or exercise.
I lost a ton of weight and the Dr doesnt want me over 200lbs or to lift over 20lbs. Obviously both are not gonna happen but I have to try to keep things safe and sane. My days of being a freak are over.
 
Rocket3015 said:
At 57 tears old I don't put on muscle like I used to, and being a former Fatty I am always scared to gain weight, so I am always very cautious, in the last three days I have added 3lbs so I am taking it slow and steady. I do respect you opinions and definitely appreciate your help!! Thank you!
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I fully understand. Of course Im only making suggestions and you know your body.
 
brundel said:
Today, first thing in the morning after peeing and before any coffee or food 217. maybe 10%.
Keep in mind a few things though.
Im clean now so no "supplements"
I had a cardiac arrest in 2011 and was in a coma for 13 days and in bed for another 4 weeks with...another 2 more months I couldnt train or exercise.
I lost a ton of weight and the Dr doesnt want me over 200lbs or to lift over 20lbs. Obviously both are not gonna happen but I have to try to keep things safe and sane. My days of being a freak are over.
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Well if you take one thing away from that story its that natural set points can be altered.

Have you done a long run of -epi yet? If so, what were you results?
 
Congrats to BLR with new and improved (-)epicatechin product and good luck to a good guy Empiremind :)
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Well if you take one thing away from that story its that natural set points can be altered.

Have you done a long run of -epi yet? If so, what were you results?
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I 100% believe that long term steroid use changes you permanently.
After the cardiac arrest i was shriveled up. It took me about a year to regain 50+lbs of muscle. Basically impossible without muscle memory.
If i had never been big it would have taken half a decade to do that.
 
Day 16: Chest and Shoulders
Seated cable bench press - 10 reps
superset
Seated cable flyes - 10 reps
20 x 20 , 25 x 20 , 30 x 20

Incline bench on smith machine
115 x 20
160 x 15
205 x 10
225 x 4 drop 115 x fail
115 x 5 reps, rest 5 secs, 10 reps. Rest 10 secs, 15 reps rest 15 secs, 20 reps rest 20 secs

DB flyes drop set with intra set stretching
45 x 10 > stretch 20 secs > drop 30 x 10 > stretch 20 secs > drop 20 > stretch 20 secs > drop 15 x fail

DB pullovers
70 x 10 x 2 sets

Standing overhead press on smith
135 x 20 drop 45 x 40
185 x 15 drop 135 x 15 drop 45 x fail

Incline bench on smith
115 x 25
165 x 20 drop 115 x 25
205 x 15 drop 116 x fail

Seated close grip tricep press
75 x 30
125 x 20 drop 75 x 20
175 x 10 drop 125 x 10 drop 75 x fail

Dips:
Body Weight x fail x 2 sets

Seated pec deck flyes
205 x 12
230 x 10
230 x 10 drop 115 x fail

Straight bar pushdowns
80 x 12 drop 35 x 15 underhand extensions
95 x 7 drop 50 x 10 underhand extensions
95 x 6 drop 50 x 11 underhand extensions

Cable tricep extension across the face
15 x fail each arm
20 x fail each arm
Superset
Cable side lateral raise
10 x 12 each arm
15 x 10 each arm

Days 17 & 18 i maintained dosing, but took two rest days. After so much volume i was definitely in need of some rest. Slept over 25 hours in two days.
 
kisaj said:
No issue, but I noticed you mention smith lifts. Any reason you are using them?
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I really dont know lol. Ive changed my program up as im getting trained by someone and they have me doing more TUT work, high intensity with lower weight. For most of the chest and shoulder we do smith. I have a previous shoulder injury, so i think thats why weve been focusing on it more.

I normally stick to barbells and dbs for almost everything and avoided smith like the plague, but ive been getting some great work done. Its all been hypertrohy isolation focused.
 
Day 19:

PM Cardio & Abs:
Elliptical level 12
15 Mins HIIT 45 sec jog, 15 sprint
30 mins steady jog at speed of 6

Leg Lifts, Flutter Kicks and Reverse Crunches on Iso Ball
3 sets of 10 each, last set hold legs out till fail

Dragon Flys
3 sets to fail

Roman Chair Leg Raises:
3 sets of 20
superset
Planks
3 sets, 30 secs

Knee Raises
3 Sets of 15 to right, left and front.


Day 20

AM Fasted Cardio
26 min run

PM Training
Arms, Delts

Barbell Curls
65x20 85x12 105x10 125x8
superset
DB French Curls
65x20 80x15 90x15 90x13

Barbell Curls Drop set
135x5 (PR) drop 105x6 drop 85x8 drop 65x12 drop 45 x 15

DB French Curls Drop Set
100x11 (PR) drop 65x10 drop 45x14 & partials

Barbell Close Grip Bench
135x20 185x12 205x9
Superset
DB Hammer Curls
50x10 60x10 75x10

Barbell Close Grip Bench dropset
215x7 drop 145x15 drop 95x10 drop 45x20

DB Hammer Curls
80x6 drop 60x6 drop 35x10

Lying DB Skull Crushers
35x12 x 2 sets
30x14 x 2 sets
superset
DB Concentration Curls
40x10 x 2 sets
35 x 15 x 2 sets

Standing Bicep Curls
20x15 25x15 35x10
superset
Diamond Pushups
3 sets of 20
superset
Tricep extensions
15x20 20x20 25x15

Situps on Decline Bench
3 sets of 20

Straight Bar Tricep Pushdowns
65x20 drop 50 x 10 Narrow Underhand Extensions
80x12 drop 50 x 10 Narrow Underhand Extensions
95x10 (PR From Past weeks)drop 50 x 12 Narrow Underhand Extensions
95x6 drop 57.5 x 9 Narrow Underhand Extensions

Cable Side Lateral Raises
10x20x3 sets
15x12 drop 10x10 drop 5x20 x 2 sets

Rope Hammer Curls
60x15
75x12
95x6 drop 65x7 drop 35x10

Dips
3 sets of 30

Db Lateral Raises (mid to upper ROM)
30x10 drop 20x10 drop 10x20

Yesterday i had a monster ARMeggedon workout! I was noticably stronger with the recent rest and had amazing endurance. I was non stop, no real rests in between sets for about two solid hours. Almost everything was superset bi and tris or drop sets. My pumps were probably the best to date, my arms were swollen like crazy and my strentgh remained constant throughout. I was in love with how i felt (arm day high lol). I honestly looked like i came off a treadmill because my tank was completely soaked as i was sweating bullets, doing arms only lol. Got my cals up and only cleans foods. This past week or so this -Epi is really shining for me! Excited for the rest of the week!
 
I had to do a double take I thought that was all one workout the first time I looked at it !!
 
Day 21

Midday Cardio
20 mins stairs

PM Training Legs
Leg Press
373 x 50 superset 30 calf raises
463 x 40 superset 30 calf raises
643 x 30 superset 30 calf raises
823 x 20
963x12
1193x11

463x60 (20 with feet low, middle and high) x 2 sets

Squats on Smith, Feet Together
Reverse drop sets, Instead of going down, we raised it up.
Set 1: 120x10>170x10>220x10
Set 2: 140x10>190x10>240x10
Set 3: 160x10>210x10>260x10

One Leg Lying Hamstring Curls, upper body lifted off bench
50x10 superset Split Squats with 45 plate
65x10 superset Split Squats with 45 plate
80x10 superset Split Squats with 45 plate

Lying Hamstring Curls, first ten reps with 5 sec negative, next five reps fast as possible, last rep hold till failure
100x15
125x15
130x15(last 3 were partials till fail)

Leg Extensions
50 rep drop sets, drop weight everytime you fail until you reach 50 reps
210x50
235x50

Calf Extensions
Set 1: 110x20 raise 210x10 with hold at top
Set 2: 130x20 raise 230x10 with hold at top
Set 3: 305x10 drop 260x5 drop 230x5 drop 190x7 drop 150xfail drop 90xfail
Set 4: 325x8 drop 280x4 drop 230x5 drop 190x8 drop 150xfail drop 90xfail switch to one leg: 70xfail drop50xfail drop 30xfail

Post Workout Cardio
Incline Walk on Treadmill
30 mins: 13 incline, 3.5 speed
 
Weighed in tonight after an hour of cardio, and on empty stomach. Im up to 224 on the scale, from 216 in three weeks. Ive recently noticed more fullness and wanted to check it out. brundel here we go brother!!!
 
EMPIREMIND said:
Weighed in tonight after an hour of cardio, and on empty stomach. Im up to 224 on the scale, from 216 in three weeks. Ive recently noticed more fullness and wanted to check it out. brundel here we go brother!!!
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8lbs is legit. Especially for those of us who have a hard time gaining mass. The new Epi product is likely the strongest non steroid anabolic yet produced.
I do have high hopes for our new anabolic though. Well start testing maybe next week.
Thanks for running 2 logs. I know its a pain in the add but you do get to run and log fresh stuff at least.
 
brundel said:
8lbs is legit. Especially for those of us who have a hard time gaining mass. The new Epi product is likely the strongest non steroid anabolic yet produced.
I do have high hopes for our new anabolic though. Well start testing maybe next week.
Thanks for running 2 logs. I know its a pain in the add but you do get to run and log fresh stuff at least.
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Nooo thank u brother. No biggie on my part. Keeps me on track!!

Btw its 8lbs whole im doing a sh!t ton of cardio... As you can see with my logging. Also carb cycling. If i was bulking, it would be way more. But this last week ive just been feeling heavier, so i figured i weigh in... And there u go lol
 
brundel said:
8lbs is legit. Especially for those of us who have a hard time gaining mass. The new Epi product is likely the strongest non steroid anabolic yet produced.
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I have to agree 100%, it is insane. I am getting more from this than my last blast I ran and I feel better because cardio is so much easier and encourages you to want to do more.
 
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