Which creatine to buy ?

TheFugitive said:
This is why forms like hcl, MCC and CEE have so much success. 5 or more grams of mono (Creapure) or not leave most users bloated due to absorption issues. If your one of the lucky ones with mono god bless
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You say that like the majority cant handle mono lol

You realize how much creatine monohydrate is sold and used annually?

The VAST majority of people are better off saving their money and skipping salts.

Also you mentioned CEE as having success.
Not sure if serious.
 
TheFugitive said:
This is why forms like hcl, MCC and CEE have so much success. 5 or more grams of mono (Creapure) or not leave most users bloated due to absorption issues. If your one of the lucky ones with mono god bless
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Strange, There have been hundreds of studies on creatine monohydrate, consisting of somewhere near 10,000 different humans.

Guess how many of those report that 'most users' were bloated and tolerated creatine poorly.
 
De__eB said:
Strange, There have been hundreds of studies on creatine monohydrate, consisting of somewhere near 10,000 different humans. Guess how many of those report that 'most users' were bloated and tolerated creatine poorly.
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On top of the CEE study showing it was inferior to mono, lol
 
De__eB said:
Merely calling CEE 'inferior' to monohydrate is an understatement ;)
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It is a turd in a gutter on the street spanning the front of the golden palace that is creatine monohydrate

:)
 
Driven2lift said:
On top of the CEE study showing it was inferior to mono, lol
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He already had this discussion on another forum.

Here's from the CEE vs mono study:
The supplements were orally ingested at a dose of 0.30 g/kg fat-free body mass (approximately 20 g/day) for five days followed by ingestion at 0.075 g/kg fat free mass (approximately 5 g/day) for 42 days.
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I don't see it mentioning different doses being used for CEE vs monohydrate. If an equal amount of CEE isn't as effective as a monohydrate, why would less be?
Studies have shown the acute ingestion of 5 g and 20 g of creatine monohydrate to increase serum levels of creatine [5]. The recommended loading and maintenance dosages for creatine ethyl ester are 10 g and 5 g, respectively. As a result, in the present study participants ingested twice the recommended dose of creatine ethyl ester, yet the CRT group resulted in significantly higher levels of serum creatine than the CEE group (Figure 1). Total muscle creatine for the CRT group was significantly greater than the PLA group, but not the CEE group. However, in light of ingesting twice the recommended dose of creatine ethyl ester, total muscle creatine concentration for the CEE group was not significantly different from either the PLA or CRT groups (Figure 2).
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What am I missing here?

Also:
Collectively, changes in total, intracellular, and extracellular body water were not significantly different between the supplement and placebo groups. However, the mean increases for total and intracellular body water from day 0 to 48 were greatest for the CRT group. Extracellular water increases from baseline were actually largest for the CEE groups. Therefore, claims by the manufactures of creatine ethyl ester stating that extracellular water retention is minimized were shown to be unfounded by the present study.
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Conclusion:
Since creatine ethyl ester supplementation showed a large increase in serum creatinine levels throughout the study with no significant increase in serum and total muscle creatine content, it can be concluded that a large portion of the creatine ethyl ester was being degraded within the GI tract after ingestion. Furthermore, it appears that the skeletal muscle uptake of creatine ethyl ester uptake was not significant enough to increase skeletal muscle creatine levels without significant degradation to creatinine occurring.
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And this study used the Labrada CEE capsules that TheFug said were one of the few effective CEE supplements. CEE was inferior to mono in every way.
 
I did not intend to start the age old creatine debate. I just stated my opinion and some facts.

If you're lean enough and have enough mass to back that up...you shouldn't have much subq water retention to a point that your abs are hidden. (what people usually consider bloat)
 
Driven2lift said:
You say that like the majority cant handle mono lol

You realize how much creatine monohydrate is sold and used annually?

The VAST majority of people are better off saving their money and skipping salts.

Also you mentioned CEE as having success.
Not sure if serious.
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7 years ago CEE was the Craze, I was just making a point. And yes I understand how much mono is sold, it's the number one choice for most users.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
He already had this discussion on another forum.

Here's from the CEE vs mono study:

I don't see it mentioning different doses being used for CEE vs monohydrate. If an equal amount of CEE isn't as effective as a monohydrate, why would less be?

What am I missing here?

Also:

Conclusion:


And this study used the Labrada CEE capsules that TheFug said were one of the few effective CEE supplements. CEE was inferior to mono in every way.
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You must subscribe to every one of my posts. My ego is growing
 
De__eB said:
Any bloating effect of creatine is due to dose size, not form.

If someone takes 4g of creatine monohydrate and experience bloating, they will experience that same bloating with 5g of creatine hcl.

The only realistic function of modified forms of creatine is:

-Increased absorption...e.g. creatine hcl, resulting in lower doses needed
-Additive ergogenic...e.g. creatine nitrate, for additional benefit

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I'm also kind of curious

Sodium 20 mg

Himalayan Pink Salt 50 mg **

One of these is wrong.
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50mg of Himalayan Salt=20mg of sodium
 
TheFugitive said:
7 years ago CEE was the Craze, I was just making a point. And yes I understand how much mono is sold, it's the number one choice for most users.
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What in the world was the point?

From suggesting more expensive or inferior forms, citing a reason that was just blatantly false
 
My point is other forms exist and please explain to me inferior? I don't care what you attach to it, it's still creatine

I realize I don't post much on this forum but follow along, I'm full of wisdom
 
So under dosing a bunch of other creatine forms mixed with creatine mono would be better than just buying the cheaper more effective option that is bulk creatine monohydrate?
 
Matthandyo said:
That was kinda a question, do the different creatine forms have a better absorption rate or something? I mean besides taste what are you paying extra for.
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Just stick with mono, buddy. If they're paying extra for any other form, they just like to give their money away.
 
TheFugitive said:
My point is other forms exist and please explain to me inferior? I don't care what you attach to it, it's still creatine

I realize I don't post much on this forum but follow along, I'm full of wisdom
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CEE cyclizes to creatinine to a point where most of it ends up as creatinine and doeant reach muscle tissue as creatine.

Simply, it is wasted
 
Jiigzz said:
CEE cyclizes to creatinine to a point where most of it ends up as creatinine and doeant reach muscle tissue as creatine. Simply, it is wasted
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This...

It is inferior. Even if matching gram per gram creatine weight.
The form is wasted more than mono.

Read before arguing it next time ;)
 
Matthandyo said:
That was kinda a question, do the different creatine forms have a better absorption rate or something? I mean besides taste what are you paying extra for.
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Sorry man wasn't trying to be a DB. Absorption is key when it comes to creatine, this is why so many designer creatines are on the market. Monohydate is without a doubt the most popular choice but is it the best choice for everyone. I bloat from it terribly. I think people need to be more open minded when it comes to using and choosing supplements.
 
And I think people should try the studied, and 10x less expensive option first
 
TheFugitive said:
Sorry man wasn't trying to be a DB. Absorption is key when it comes to creatine, this is why so many designer creatines are on the market. Monohydate is without a doubt the most popular choice but is it the best choice for everyone. I bloat from it terribly. I think people need to be more open minded when it comes to using and choosing supplements.
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The current B1G1 for 50% deal on best creatine puts you at:

400g creatine for $39.87, or 9.9 cents/gram.

Our SNS creatine is 1200g creatine for $9.97 or .8 cents/gram

So, yours costs 12.375 times more than our own bulk creatine mono.

You could possibly, maybe, convince me that creatine anhydrous might absorb slightly better than creatine monohydrate.
You could also possibly, if the ph buffering ingredient and proportion were disclosed, convince me that your ph buffered creatine is absorbed 20-30% better than creatine monohydrate.
The others, you couldn't show me any data on because no favorable data exists

Also, you've put all of your 'advanced forms of creatine in a proprietary blend that very well could look this and be completely label compliant:

Creatine Monohydrate - 3995mg
Creatine Anhydrous - 1mg
Creatine Magnapower - 1mg
Creatine Phosphate - 1mg
Creatine AKG - 1mg
Ph buffered creatine - 1mg

Obviously you'll say it's not, so why prop blend it?

Would you have anybody believe that you've discovered a magic ratio of monohydrate:anhydrous whereby the doses of each are synergistic? That would of course be laughable.

The only reason to prop blend that would be to weight the dosing towards the cheapest form which is conveniently first in line.
 
TheFugitive said:
Don't you guys use Creatine Anhydrous in one of your products?
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Sure do.
To fit the most creatine by weight in our one scoop a day product.

We were discussing salts and expensive forms
I actually only debated the CEE point initially

Anhydrous is not a fancy or expensive form, and the value on that product is really undeniable.
 
Driven2lift said:
Sure do.
To fit the most creatine by weight in our one scoop a day product.

We were discussing salts and expensive forms
I actually only debated the CEE point initially

Anhydrous is not a fancy or expensive form, and the value on that product is really undeniable.
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Why are you so focused on CEE, I only mentioned it as a reference to another form. I'm completely aware of the studies behind CEE

We use Anhydrous in Best Creatine also.
 
De__eB said:
The current B1G1 for 50% deal on best creatine puts you at:

400g creatine for $39.87, or 9.9 cents/gram.

Our SNS creatine is 1200g creatine for $9.97 or .8 cents/gram

So, yours costs 12.375 times more than our own bulk creatine mono.

You could possibly, maybe, convince me that creatine anhydrous might absorb slightly better than creatine monohydrate.
You could also possibly, if the ph buffering ingredient and proportion were disclosed, convince me that your ph buffered creatine is absorbed 20-30% better than creatine monohydrate.
The others, you couldn't show me any data on because no favorable data exists

Also, you've put all of your 'advanced forms of creatine in a proprietary blend that very well could look this and be completely label compliant:

Creatine Monohydrate - 3995mg
Creatine Anhydrous - 1mg
Creatine Magnapower - 1mg
Creatine Phosphate - 1mg
Creatine AKG - 1mg
Ph buffered creatine - 1mg

Obviously you'll say it's not, so why prop blend it?

Would you have anybody believe that you've discovered a magic ratio of monohydrate:anhydrous whereby the doses of each are synergistic? That would of course be laughable.

The only reason to prop blend that would be to weight the dosing towards the cheapest form which is conveniently first in line.
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Deeb, since your taking jabs. My creatine and brand is sold all over, what about yours? I mean where would one find your creatine at?
 
TheFugitive said:
Why are you so focused on CEE, I only mentioned it as a reference to another form. I'm completely aware of the studies behind CEE We use Anhydrous in Best Creatine also.
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Because up until we referenced studies you made it out to be better, then equal

TheFugitive said:
My point is other forms exist and please explain to me inferior? I don't care what you attach to it, it's still creatine I realize I don't post much on this forum but follow along, I'm full of wisdom
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Only posted here at all to make sure people knew the reality of it
 
nutra - no
SSS - no
island - nope
advantage - no
nutrverse - no
Orbit - no
tf - nope
tgb supplements - nope not them either.


well that was a really crappy point to bring up lol
 
TheFugitive said:
Every store except Mind & Muscle. I'm sipping on some 3rd party verified protein, how about you?
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You mean you're sipping on protein that has already been legally required to be 3rd party verified for a decade?

Congrats on finally making a much publicized effort to do what you were already required to do when your company felt it was politically expedient to do so I guess?

I truly applaud you for finally deciding to obey the law sir!
 
Get yourself some VITAL1TY and let the Gains begin
 
De__eB said:
You mean you're sipping on protein that has already been legally required to be 3rd party verified for a decade?

Congrats on finally making a much publicized effort to do what you were already required to do when your company felt it was politically expedient to do so I guess?

I truly applaud you for finally deciding to obey the law sir!
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I think I pointed this out a very long time ago but thanks for bringing it up. Remember, it's not about winning it's about you keeping up.
 
TheFugitive said:
100 serving for around 40 bucks is very reasonable. PM me you want to sample the Polar Stack?
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Yeah, I'm not sure how anybody can call Whey-HD overpriced, stuff is cheap at standard retail, and very frequently on deal.

You've got a few products I take issue with, but Whey-HD seems like a great value to users, and all the flavors I've gotten samples of on orders were on point.
 
I meant "best protein". Whey hd is some tasty stuff. Best protein to me just seems overpriced.
 
I actually edited some posts when BPI came on

To say the least I disliked the proteins I tried

Still partial tubs here
 
De__eB said:
Yeah, I'm not sure how anybody can call Whey-HD overpriced, stuff is cheap at standard retail, and very frequently on deal.

You've got a few products I take issue with, but Whey-HD seems like a great value to users, and all the flavors I've gotten samples of on orders were on point.
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Flavours were ok in my book. Not mind blowing but still good.

Good value for money so I do buy from time to time
 
NewAgeMayan said:
rep rule #2: free product (nearly) always oils the squeeky wheel
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I'd like to think most people who value their integrity wouldn't be easily swayed by free product, unfortunately, I probably think wrong.

I'm not going to sell my opinion on something for a free tub of something I wouldn't have bought anyway, that cost the manufacturer like $5.
 
De__eB said:
I'd like to think most people who value their integrity wouldn't be easily swayed by free product, unfortunately, I probably think wrong.

I'm not going to sell my opinion on something for a free tub of something I wouldn't have bought anyway, that cost the manufacturer like $5.
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My statement is certainly more true of some boards than others, the distinction of which I am sure you are 'aware', as they say. And to be honest Id be surprised if the rep tactics of other boards had much of the intended impact somewhere such as here, for example.
 
Dadan said:
Hello guys, my english is very bad so sorry for that, I'm in big dilemma which creatine to buy from these two:

1) AX German Creatine
2) Pharma First Hyper Creatine

I'm a little more towards to pharma hyper creatine because it has the additional 3,5gr amino complex...but I'd like to hear your opinions and together to decide which to buy

With it im also will buy AX Supersize and i have Controlled Labs Glycergrow...

Thx
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Bulk mono. Cheap and effective. No bs.

What every supplement should be.
 
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