I'm on Phosphatidic acid Ya'll

Danes said:
Activator is just madeup
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That does seem like a legitimate possibility. The least Cutler/BPI could do is share some basic info with us about Activator, like who owns the Trademark, what it actually is, etc. Did they source and use an ingredient in their supplements that they know nothing about? I sincerely hope not. I'd love to get a response from someone, but I won't hold my breath.

In before another company uses plain old lecithin and calls it Initiator or some nonsense and lists PA on the label.

Cutler Nutrition, prove us wrong. I'd rather King V2 be properly dosed than not. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, and buy some more...
 
muscleupcrohn said:
That does seem like a legitimate possibility. The least Cutler/BPI could do is share some basic info with us about Activator, like who owns the Trademark, what it actually is, etc. Did they source and use an ingredient in their supplements that they know nothing about? I sincerely hope not. I'd love to get a response from someone, but I won't hold my breath.

In before another company uses plain old lecithin and calls it Initiator or some nonsense and lists PA on the label.

Cutler Nutrition, prove us wrong. I'd rather King V2 be properly dosed than not. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, and buy some more...
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The math,logic and the answers from their Rep just show that its underdosed anyway
 
Danes said:
The math,logic and the answers from their Rep just show that its underdosed anyway
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That is true. If, as the reps say, PA concentration is king (pun intended), then they'd be all over the fact that their Activator is even more concentrated than Mediator, which it would have to be to be even close to properly dosed.

I think I'm beating a dead horse at this point, no?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
That is true. If, as the reps say, PA concentration is king (pun intended), then they'd be all over the fact that their Activator is even more concentrated than Mediator, which it would have to be to be even close to properly dosed.

I think I'm beating a dead horse at this point, no?
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Enriching higher than 50% would be more expencive process and no chance they would sell KING so cheap then.. that would not be possible. They would loose money and thats what companies are NOT interessed in (no one is)

I can BET that Activator is NO WAY more than 50% enriched PA.
And I can still BET that its not higher than 10% PA in that SL phospholipid complex.

Theafugitive said its 200mg Niagen in KING v1 and v2.
So remove 200mg niagen from 1g blend you are getting from 3 caps daily.
You have 800mg phospholipids.
Then,lets say its 50% enriched PA .
It means 400mg of those 800mg is PA.
so you will get just 400mg PA from daily dose of KING. Thats almost half the dose they used in a study (750mgPA /1.5g mediaTOR.50% soy enriched PA.Which is 750mg PA).
 
Danes said:
Enriching higher than 50% would be more expencive process and no chance they would sell KING so cheap then.. that would not be possible. They would loose money and thats what companies are NOT interessed in (no one is)

I can BET that Activator is NO WAY more than 50% enriched PA.
And I can still BET that its not higher than 10% PA in that SL phospholipid complex.

Theafugitive said its 200mg Niagen in KING v1 and v2.
So remove 200mg niagen from 1g blend you are getting from 3 caps daily.
You have 800mg phospholipids.
Then,lets say its 50% enriched PA .
It means 400mg of those 800mg is PA.
so you will get just 400mg PA from daily dose of KING. Thats almost half the dose they used in a study (750mgPA /1.5g mediaTOR.50% soy enriched PA.Which is 750mg PA).
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I also recall TheFugitive saying the Niagen is the same in V1 and V2 I've heard around 200, did he say exactly 200 or 200+? Basic math tells you that King V1 couldn't have had 200mg Niagen. There was 2.1g total; 750mg of Mediator PA, which is 50% PA, so 1.5g total. That leaves 600mg between 4 ingredients, of which Niagen is listed last, meaning that the other 3 ingredients have to have at least as much as the Niagen. 600 divided by 4 gives you 150mg Niagen, and that's assuming an equal amount of all 4 herbs, so there was at most 150mg Niagen in King V1, likely less. The folks over at Cutler Nutrition really need to work on their math skills.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I also recall TheFugitive saying the Niagen is the same in V1 and V2 I've heard around 200, did he say exactly 200 or 200+? Basic math tells you that King V1 couldn't have had 200mg Niagen. There was 2.1g total; 750mg of Mediator PA, which is 50% PA, so 1.5g total. That leaves 600mg between 4 ingredients, of which Niagen is listed last, meaning that the other 3 ingredients have to have at least as much as the Niagen. 600 divided by 4 gives you 150mg Niagen, and that's assuming an equal amount of all 4 herbs, so there was at most 150mg Niagen in King V1, likely less. The folks over at Cutler Nutrition really need to work on their math skills.
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I dont want to be rude or anything but I will never buy anything from Cutler/BPI anymore. A-hd,A50,anabolic elite and other are just lol
 
damn yal are making me regret buying bottles of the king v2 since i got a deal ****k


since yal are saying its underdosed


should i just buy some bulk letchitin granules and add a little of that with king to make it a full serving?

which one are you guys buying swansons now sunflower one?
 
TheIronAsylum said:
damn yal are making me regret buying bottles of the king v2 since i got a deal ****k


since yal are saying its underdosed


should i just buy some bulk letchitin granules and add a little of that with king to make it a full serving?

which one are you guys buying swansons now sunflower one?
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I would add SL yes. Like we said.
With a simple math and logic, uts underdosed no matter what their reps are saying.

I am not sure about sunflower.
I know that soy derrived phospholipids are better than egg derrived
 
Danes said:
I would add SL yes. Like we said.
With a simple math and logic, uts underdosed no matter what their reps are saying.

I am not sure about sunflower.
I know that soy derrived phospholipids are better than egg derrived
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I don't see a reason to pay more (I assume it's more) for sunflower lecithin unless you're allergic to soy or something. We're not even really sure how sunflower compares to soy. As we've already established, the granules aren't going to have any estrogenic effects, if that's what anyone's worrying about.
 
TheIronAsylum said:
damn yal are making me regret buying bottles of the king v2 since i got a deal ****k


since yal are saying its underdosed


should i just buy some bulk letchitin granules and add a little of that with king to make it a full serving?

which one are you guys buying swansons now sunflower one?
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Try it without adding anything and if you notice an improvement, awesome, if not, at least you know for next time :)
 
I recently tried sunflower lecithin powder just as my own personal experiment; I woud tentatively say its at least as efficacious as soy lecithin. But its horrible stuff to eat, the soy granules are much more palatable.

IMO, either Fearn or LEF soy granules have best taste and texture.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
I recently tried sunflower lecithin powder just as my own personal experiment; I woud tentatively say its at least as efficacious as soy lecithin. But its horrible stuff to eat, the soy granules are much more palatable.

IMO, either Fearn or LEF soy granules have best taste and texture.
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Thanks for the heads up. I will give the Lekithos stuff a try in 6 weeks.
 
Danes said:
You know that i love you too and I dont lie either.
But remember brother:

1: I have been working out 14 years
2: never tried anabolic steroids/PH/DS/peptides/HGH or anything hormonal etc.
3. I have almost tried everything of natural stuff and there is just few things that really worked and those things has actually been working for many people too such as my friends, people on different forums etc.
4. When I try new things, i dont stack it with 10 other things. I am running it alone 2 months to see how MY body respond to it. Strength etc.
5. I dont use stimulants either.(many people use new product with heavy stims, so they dont know for sure how they respond on the new product).

I said this many times,
PA has no absorption and bioavailability issues. Even from 2% it would not be any problem. Higher % does not mean it works better but you need to take less of it to get higher PA dose. SL is letting people getting high PA doses and that WORKS. Its amount of PA that is important and not%.
You should really read about phospholipids and even talk to a scientist who can their stuff.

KING v1 was a good product (containing mediaTOR which was 750mg PA in 3 caps).
KING v2 is something I really dont trust.
The blend cant contain enough PA.
I know many who felt NOTHING from KINGv2 even double dosing it but after switching to SL they increased appetite,strength,size etc
We have asked you many times, can you give us more information about Activator?
As I said, 3 caps KING v2 is 1g of a blend with phospholipids and niagen.
So even if Activator contains soy enriched PA 50% it would be below 500mg of PA in each serving anyway. It is niagen there! You saif its 200mg niagren. So if you remove niagen (200mg) from the 1g blend you are sitting with 800mg . So even 50% soy enriched PA , that would be just 400mg PA in those 3 caps. 400mg is almost half the dose of 750mg (dose used in the study)
Thats why people dont get results from PA from KING.its underdosed.
So its very simple math bro

Remember, KING has Niagen and many feel more energy on it. But that has nothing to do with PA.

I bet that Activator in KING is just plain Soy Lecithin (not enriched PA or any phospholipids).
So i believe of 1g blend you are getting 4-7%PA which is 40-70mg pr dose.

Like I said before, people liked KING v1 but felt much more of it when they doubledosed it.(more PA =better).
But v2 ,many felt nothing even when doubledosed it.


I had some experiment on my friends living here (many of them have used steroids and they are laughing of supplements).
I gave them Soy lecithin and said how to dose it etc. I said it is a good stimulant,decreasing appetite (said many incorrect things, due to placeboeffect).

All of them reported:
-huge increased appetite
-musclefullness
Strength gains
-size (weight gain without eating more).
They asked me why it increased they appetite.it was not what they was told it should do and they felt no stim effect.
Then I told them what exactly they was taking and it worked very well for them.

Funny how you still say its just placebo.

If anything is placebo, KING v2 is the biggest placebo ever
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Almost everyone that has tried the new V2 version of King has loved it. I ran SL for a month just to compare and honestly is was just OK, the price of King is very competitive. Users that have tried both seem to favor King.
 
TheFugitive said:
Almost everyone that has tried the new V2 version of King has loved it. I ran SL for a month just to compare and honestly is was just OK, the price of King is very competitive. Users that have tried both seem to favor King.
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my PMs show another stories bro.
People loved v1 and loved it even more when doubledosing.

KING v2 cant have more than 400mg PA in 3 caps.
Just look above earlier posts where we use simple math.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
That does seem like a legitimate possibility. The least Cutler/BPI could do is share some basic info with us about Activator, like who owns the Trademark, what it actually is, etc. Did they source and use an ingredient in their supplements that they know nothing about? I sincerely hope not. I'd love to get a response from someone, but I won't hold my breath.

In before another company uses plain old lecithin and calls it Initiator or some nonsense and lists PA on the label.

Cutler Nutrition, prove us wrong. I'd rather King V2 be properly dosed than not. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, and buy some more...
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Until I can get Activator to release more info you and Danes are gonna have to sit tight.
 
Danes said:
my PMs show another stories bro.
People loved v1 and loved it even more when doubledosing.

KING v2 cant have more than 400mg PA in 3 caps.
Just look above earlier posts where we use simple math.
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Look brother, buy another brand of PA. At this point it's useless for us to argue over speculation.
 
Danes said:
my PMs show another stories bro.
People loved v1 and loved it even more when doubledosing.

KING v2 cant have more than 400mg PA in 3 caps.
Just look above earlier posts where we use simple math.
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I second this. I've seen nothing but positive reviews for King V1, and, as long as people can stomach the granules, the same. However, I've seen a good portion of people who try King V2 not like it. He must have some blinders on and only see the good reviews.
 
TheFugitive said:
Look brother, buy another brand of PA. At this point it's useless for us to argue over speculation.
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Who owns the trademark for Activator? Surely you must know this, or can get back to us within a day or two; Cutler Nutrition had to buy and/or get permission to use it from someone, right? That, or they own it.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I second this. I've seen nothing but positive reviews for King V1, and, as long as people can stomach the granules, the same. However, I've seen a good portion of people who try King V2 not like it. He must have some blinders on and only see the good reviews.
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You and Danes seem to be the only users complaining about the V2 version
 
I'm gonna put together a King/Dry promo together later this month. I want people with PA experience to enter and post their honest thoughts

2 bottles of King and 1 bottle of Dry
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Really. You must be suffering from amnesia my friend. Do I have to dig around and find the not-so-stellar reviews/comments regarding King V2 on various forums? Does Danes have to share PMs?
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Look man, move on and find another brand of PA <problem solved. I have more than enough reviews from credible members on King V2
 
TheFugitive said:
Look brother, buy another brand of PA. At this point it's useless for us to argue over speculation.
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Speculation is one thing but the fact is an another thing.
The fact is, KING v1 had mediaTOR (which gave 750mg PA) from 3 caps. (+niagen,herbs and d3).
People loved it (I got diarrhea due to niagen).
I suggested many guys to double the dose and they loved it even more.(logical. More PA=more beneficial).
But I cant recommend people KING v2 when we dont know exactly how much PA people are getting from 1 serving (3 caps).

Like I said, there is no chance Activator is higher than 50% enriched PA.and even if its 50% (something I can bet is not) , 3 caps of KING v2 would just give 400mg PA. How?
3 caps = a blend of 1G (Dvit,phospholipids and Niagen).
You said its 200mg Niagen.
So 1g - 200mg niagen is 800mg
800mg phospholipids where 50% enriched PA will be 400mg pure PA.

that means 400mg PA in 3 caps.
But it is NOT 50% soy lecithin enriched PA.there is no papers proving that.

If I contact Chemi Nutra and ask for their MediaTOR which is 50% soy lecithin enriched PA, they would gladly prove it.

So I dont understand why Activator (which is trade mark) lack info of purity etc.
 
Danes said:
Speculation is one thing but the fact is an another thing.
The fact is, KING v1 had mediaTOR (which gave 750mg PA) from 3 caps. (+niagen,herbs and d3).
People loved it (I got diarrhea due to niagen).
I suggested many guys to double the dose and they loved it even more.(logical. More PA=more beneficial).
But I cant recommend people KING v2 when we dont know exactly how much PA people are getting from 1 serving (3 caps).

Like I said, there is no chance Activator is higher than 50% enriched PA.and even if its 50% (something I can bet is not) , 3 caps of KING v2 would just give 400mg PA. How?
3 caps = a blend of 1G (Dvit,phospholipids and Niagen).
You said its 200mg Niagen.
So 1g - 200mg niagen is 800mg
800mg phospholipids where 50% enriched PA will be 400mg pure PA.

that means 400mg PA in 3 caps.
But it is NOT 50% soy lecithin enriched PA.there is no papers proving that.

If I contact Chemi Nutra and ask for their MediaTOR which is 50% soy lecithin enriched PA, they would gladly prove it.

So I dont understand why Activator (which is trade mark) lack info of purity etc.
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Danes, please stop making me repeat myself. You don't like King and it's prop blend we all get it.
 
TheFugitive said:
Danes, please stop making me repeat myself. You don't like King and it's prop blend we all get it.
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Please, dont push KING v2 around. I really hate when reps are fooling people.
I have no problem with blends but I have problem with underdosed peoducts

If you dont like me or other guys telling the truth then dont reply. I will allways recommend people SL or PA from another companies because thats the only way I know they are getting PA
 
Danes said:
Please, dont push KING v2 around. I really hate when reps are fooling people.

If you dont like me or other guys telling the truth then dont reply. I will allways recommend people SL or PA from another companies because thats the only way I know they are getting PA
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I second this. If someone asks about a PA product, I can't in good faith recommend Cutler V2. I am aware that proprietary blends are a part of the industry, and are very common, and that a prop blend doesn't mean a product is bad or underdosed, but Danes and I take issue with you saying that King V2 has 750mg PA per serving when it seems virtually impossible that it doesn't.

I'm not even saying that King V2 is a bad or ineffective supplement. It still seems like it has a good amount of Niagen, and it does have at least SOME PA, and we don't know that less PA isn't effective to an extent, just that more seems to be better, and that 750mg works. It is very possible that people still like King, and that it "works," we just don't see how it can possibly have 750mg PA, which you repeatedly stated it does.
 
TheFugitive said:
Until I can get Activator to release more info you and Danes are gonna have to sit tight.
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Is Activator a registered trademark? I couldnt find anything relevant during a search at the USPTO. Or is it merely a monicker similiar to what you find on the back of some prewo powders ('Cognitive Matrix')?
 
I looked too: (Board still won't allow links, Add http, remove DOT, replace with .

://tmsearchDOTuspto.gov

Nothing.

I think anyone reading this thread can get the picture of what's going on, reading between the lines :) We may be in dead horse territory - Caveat Emptor.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
More like a crowd with the ability to do basic math and think critically.
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Hey bro no disrepect, i just think its amusing. After all this is AM and the members here are on thier A game. Dont post and not have studies and facts to back it up. I know that, i just find it funny how u replied thats all...
 
TheFugitive said:
Activator is a TM
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It dosnt appear to be registered, though.

I mean, I can get something 'published', in the loosest sense of the term, and slap a copyright symbol on it.

It all seems rather odd, surely you can can appreciate that from the perspective of those who are not privvy to the kind of information you are?
 
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