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Vujades BLR Rebirth Log - its time to get the boyz back!

Awesome labs and information talking through them!
 
DigitalB said:
Did you run Formeron in pct?
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I didnt have any Formeron left, but I did have Formabolic on hand. I ran it @ 100mg a day for the 1st week, but then
stopped because i felt my libido going away because E2 was getting really low. Then I started it @ 50mg a day for the
last 9 days just to make sure I ended with E2 on the low side. Which you can see from the results, definitely worked.
 
I'm sure it worked as an AI..
But it may have effected your labs..
I ran labs before & after Formeron and my T levels dropped roughly 150 points.. 30 day run..

You never know I guess..
 
DigitalB said:
I'm sure it worked as an AI..
But it may have effected your labs..
I ran labs before & after Formeron and my T levels dropped roughly 150 points.. 30 day run..

You never know I guess..
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Didn't really consider that possibility. I've heard Form can be suppressive. No maybe I wont.
But I can leave it out for the next 30-60 days and just run Rebirth, some Test Boosters &
possible brundel new natural oral AI.
 
That lab looks great and we all appreciate your detail. It's good to see LH and FSH coming up like they are and at this rate, you could be back at baseline in the next couple weeks.
 
Holy SH!T!!! I'm sold :D brundel you absolute legend :D If anyone's interested, I'mma wait for BLR's new oral AI (which sounds amazing) and run it with Rebirth. Will do before and after bloods as well.
Should be interesting as I've never done anything hormonal other than Formeron, I just have a naturally low (just barely minimum normal) LH and FSH, which essentially means semi-shutdown.
To what extent can we be sure that Reborth is responsible for the bulk of the restart and not Follidrone or Viron? I already have labs showing that Formestane while reducing E2 does not significantly affect LH and FSH, although this could simply be because my HPTA is already naturally f'd up...?
 
kisaj said:
That lab looks great and we all appreciate your detail. It's good to see LH and FSH coming up like they are and at this rate,
you could be back at baseline in the next couple weeks.
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thanks kisaj. thats what i was thinking too. With LH, FSH & E2 all at good levels, its the perfect enviroment to get test up to
baseline in another 30 days and maybe over baseline within 60 days.
 
We also have to keep in mind that you are 45. Still a young guy, but we don't bounce back from cycles like at 25, so even more impressive.
 
vujade said:
Ok guys, got my test results back, sorry for the delay in getting these too you.

I've got plenty of stuff going on right now in my personal life that keeps my time occupied
(my mom broke her neck 2 months ago & my brother just had his foot operated on. I'm looking after both of them)

BLR Rebirth PCT Day 1 Bloodwork Results

Test - 62
LH - 3.0
FSH - 3.1
Estradiol - 8.1

BLR Rebirth PCT Day 30 Bloodwork Results

Total Test - 229 (range 348 - 1197)
LH - 5.3 (range 1.7 to 8.6)
FSH - 6.6 (range 1.5 - 12.4)
Estradiol - 5 (range 7.6 - 42.6)

370% increase in Total T
176% increase in LH
213% increase in FSH
62% decrease in Estradiol

Rebirth has created the perfect conditions for my Testosterone to keep rising. LH, FSH & E2 are all in
great ranges to get my Test production moving back up to or over baseline over the next 30-60 days.

I know Total T is not quite where it should be (my baseline Total T is very low 400). Im not surprised considering
i just came of a 12 week cycle running 5 compounds and as many as 3 compounds at once & one of these
compounds being Trestolone Acetate, a steroid currently being reearched a male contraceptive & designed
to shut you down completely so that you cannot reproduce. Basically a form of chemical castration..!

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Here's link on anabolic minds discussing Trest shutdown and some people down recover for quite a few months even
with the use of RC and Pharma Grade SERMS, so I am not surprised that I am not back to baseline using Rebirth.
Some people have to run 2 - 3 PCT's to come back to normal levels. One guy even went on TRT because he didn't
come back up.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/264544-1-month-after.html

I will be extending my PCT & will be running Rebirth for another 30 - 60 days, I will also be running several Test Boosters too.

Stay tuned guys... the journey is not over :)

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brundel halfhuman kisaj
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Not too bad! I have my apt for bloods today. I have been on Rebirth for a little over 5 weeks now (running 2 bottles). So, I will also have some bloodwork feedback soon. It usually takes 2 weeks for me to get results though.
 
kisaj said:
We also have to keep in mind that you are 45. Still a young guy, but we don't bounce back from cycles like at 25,
so even more impressive.
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I know, Exactly.. right..? My test was probably 1200 @ 21...lol.

ELROCK said:
Not too bad! I have my apt for bloods today. I have been on Rebirth for a little over 5 weeks now (running 2 bottles).
So, I will also have some bloodwork feedback soon. It usually takes 2 weeks for me to get results though.
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Sweet...! Did you do bloods before PCT started..?
 
ELROCK said:
Yes, sir. I am coming off trt so it has been a journey.
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Do you have a thread with bloods posted? If not, do you want to make one and post the link so we can see? Id be very interested.
 
highlander31 said:
Do you have a thread with bloods posted? If not, do you want to make one and post the link so we can see? Id be very interested.
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I dont have a log going, but I did post some of my bloodwork results that I have thus far in Alwaysfirst's log.

His log is called thinking about coming off trt. After I have all the results back I will create a thread on it.
 
Quite impressive. You were wiped out and not sure if anything would have brought you back to baseline within 30 days. Plse dont run that stuff again. It's a killer!!

I have a bottle of Rebirth and will run in 3wks with test booster. Should be quite a ride!
 
Awesome man. While his levels didnt rise super high these results are still very solid.
Test increased almost 400%
LH and FSH doubled
Estro still tanked out.

We knew Trest was gonna be a nightmare to recover from and unfortunately many guys need to run multiple month long PCTs to recover.
That his results are this good is impressive.
I have to think that if had only run something like a 4 week dmz cycle or a 10 week test cycle he would have wound up in much better shape.
Ultimately....Im happy. I think he needs to stay on PCT for a while...but its clearly doing what its expected to do just more slowly because his test level was 60 lol.
vujade Lets talk via PM. Ill get you more Rebirth, Viron and the new AI which raised Jackedjacks LH 10x.
I think you should wait a while before starting the AI though because estro is FN 5 lol.
 
alvin1 said:
Nice thank you for the lab work !
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Thx Alvin. Dont mention it. Glad to help out the AM community :)


Volvo140G said:
Incredible! Thanks vujade!
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Thx Volvo.. appreciate your participation. :)


ucheoma said:
Quite impressive. You were wiped out and not sure if anything would have brought you back to
baseline within 30 days. Plse dont run that stuff again. It's a killer!! Have a bottle of Rebirth and will run in 3wks with test booster.
Should be quite a ride!

Shoil
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thx ucheoma.. I don't think your right. Trest is a killer. Not sure if i want to run it again. Sucks that i stocked up on so much
of it before the ban.. its definitely going to be quite the ride :)


brundel said:
Awesome man. While his levels didnt rise super high these results are still very solid.
Test increased almost 400%
LH and FSH doubled
Estro still tanked out.

We knew Trest was gonna be a nightmare to recover from and unfortunately many guys need to run multiple month long PCTs to recover.
That his results are this good is impressive.
I have to think that if had only run something like a 4 week dmz cycle or a 10 week test cycle he would have wound up in much better shape.
Ultimately....Im happy. I think he needs to stay on PCT for a while...but its clearly doing what its expected to do just more slowly because his test level was 60 lol.
vujade Lets talk via PM. Ill get you more Rebirth, Viron and the new AI which raised Jackedjacks LH 10x.
I think you should wait a while before starting the AI though because estro is FN 5 lol.
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I'm still amazed that i feel as good as i do all things considered.

Thx brother.... I Will hit you up via PM :)
 
Amazing turn around. Numbers jumped dramatically. Glad the numbers are good. Test is still a bit low but it'll get there.

Thanx for the labs. You were great.
 
Wow very low total T. I wonder what your T, lh and fsh would have looked like 30 days after starting pct, with no serms at all. Your numbers would have improved on there own, even if you had taken nothing at all. Given this info, id say its hard to say how much, if at all, the rebirth helped recovery imo.
 
halfhuman said:
Amazing turn around. Numbers jumped dramatically. Glad the numbers are good. Test is still a bit low but it'll get there.

Thanx for the labs. You were great.
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thx halfhuman. definite improvement overall despite test being low.....
Sometimes with longer cycles you need more then 30 days to recover. :)


anabolix said:
Wow very low total T. I wonder what your T, lh and fsh would have looked like 30 days after starting pct,
with no serms at all. Your numbers would have improved on there own, even if you had taken nothing at all. Given this info, id say its
hard to say how much, if at all, the rebirth helped recovery imo.
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Im sure shutdown was almost complete while on cycle. Trestolone is designed as a male contraceptive & is supposed to replace
the functions of test, but completely shuts test down so that you dont reproduce / make babies.

Numbers may have improved on their own, but seriously doubt they would've rose almost 400%. Nor would LH & FSH raise 200%
on their own in 30 days.

Did you see the thread I referenced where the guy that used Trest and after using Toremifene for 30 days his test was below 50
and after using clomin for 30 more days his test was only @ 90..?
 
anabolix said:
Wow very low total T. I wonder what your T, lh and fsh would have looked like 30 days after starting pct, with no serms at all. Your numbers would have improved on there own, even if you had taken nothing at all. Given this info, id say its hard to say how much, if at all, the rebirth helped recovery imo.
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Trest is pretty much the worst thing I can think of for suppression.
It completely shuts off test production and spermatogenesis. Its whole proposed purpose is as a contraceptive and replacement but as a result it just wipes out HPTA.
This from the MENT site-
"A one-year dose-finding study in healthy men showed that four implants suppress gonadotropin levels completely, leading to significantly reduced sperm count. Eight of 11 men with four implants had zero sperm count.


Also while alot of the studies performed by the company pushing MENT state that recovery is fast in the real world this is just not so.
Here is a post from another AM member post MENT cycle. With labs to support. He was running a prescription SERM, and prescription arimidex and his levels actually got worse post not better. Ive seen this several times ..basically with every person I know who has used MENT. Its terrible stuff.
Here is another persons saga-
Notice his total T is EXACTLY the same as Vujades per PCT and actually dropped after a month on torem and adex.
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http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/264544-1-month-after.html


I would just like to provide this anecdote to you guys out there considering trestolone decanoate. I ran my dose of Trestolone sometimes as high as 900mg/week for the last month I was on.

It shuts you down extremely bad - worst ever.

on cycle i ran test and hcg and still felt the effects of shutdown...

after stopping injections i took oxandrolone for 1 month as I was letting the long esters clear my system before beginning pct.

my pct consisted of:

Toremifene 120 mg week 1/ 60 mg for weeks 2-3/ and 30mg in week 4

throughout my cycle and pct i was taking 0.25 - 0.5mg of arimidex per day.

Here is what my blood work looked like 3 days after pct:

Total testosterone - 62 ng/dl (yes i know.. horrible. that's not a typo)
Free test - 14.5 pg/ml
vit D - 27ng/ml
estradiol - 34 pg/ml
hematocrit - 53.1%
HDL - 37mg/ml
LDL - 126 mg/ml


after receiving these results - i bumped my dosage up on the toremifene to 240mg/day and here was the next labs:

total test - 49 ng/dl - worse???
free test - 12.2 pg/ml - worse???
Estradiol - 19 pg/ml
prolactin - 4.8 ref range 2.0-18 - this is good at least, i think
LH 0.2 ref range 1.5-9.3 - terrible
FSH - 0.7 ref range1.6-8.0 - terrible
Ferretin - 27 ref range 20-345 - strange considering how much meat and leafy greens i eat.
ALT - 91 - probably from oxandrolone..
AST - 46 - probably from oxandrolone..
alkaline phosphatase - 29 ref range 40-115 - can't remember what this means
 
brundel

Same OP after a 2nd month of PCT on clomid & HCG here are his levels:

Total T is at 90
Free T is at 25.3
Estradiol is at 27
 
Notice how Vujades LH and FSH doubled and his test quadrupled? using Rebirth and Viron?
Then compare to this guys PCT using torem and adex ..his LH is .2 lol and FSH is .7...test actually dropped.
So if we compare then The combo Vujade used Fn DESTROYED the PCT ran by the other guy.
 
vujade said:
brundel

Same OP after a 2nd month of PCT on clomid & HCG here are his levels:

Total T is at 90
Free T is at 25.3
Estradiol is at 27
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Its nuts how nasty Ment is.
I know some people are looking at your labs and thinking "well his levels are abnormally low". This is true, however, when we take all things into consideration your labs are exceptionally good.
 
Numbers may have improved on their own, but seriously doubt they would've rose almost 400%. Nor would LH & FSH raise 200%
on their own in 30 days.

Did you see the thread I referenced where the guy that used Trest and after using Toremifene for 30 days his test was below 50
and after using clomin for 30 more days his test was only @ 90..?
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Yes, but thats not a great example cause he was using a research suspension. It would have meant more had it been pharmaceutical. There is no way of knowing whether or not he was getting enough active ingredient, or even if it was bunk or legit. With numbers like the op showed, its difficult to know whether or not his rise was due to rebirth or not. It's definitely debatable. Had his numbers rose more, it would have been less debatable, but still a tough call.
 
anabolix said:
Yes, but thats not a great example cause he was using a research suspension. It would have meant more had it been pharmaceutical. There is no way of knowing whether or not he was getting enough active ingredient, or even if it was bunk or legit. With numbers like the op showed, its difficult to know whether or not his rise was due to rebirth or not. It's definitely debatable. Had his numbers rose more, it would have been less debatable, but still a tough call.
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He was only using RC for the 1st month, then went to a doctor on got on Pharma Clomid and only got up to Total Test @ 90
 
anabolix said:
Wow very low total T. I wonder what your T, lh and fsh would have looked like 30 days after starting pct, with no serms at all. Your numbers would have improved on there own, even if you had taken nothing at all. Given this info, id say its hard to say how much, if at all, the rebirth helped recovery imo.
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I've seen people take far longer than a month for the hpta to restart after some prohormone cycles, so I'd say in 30 days that's a very impressive turnaround.

I've heard of people suffering from shutdown for months after running cycles when they did no PCT at all.
 
conkertheking said:
I've seen people take far longer than a month for the hpta to restart after some prohormone cycles,
so I'd say in 30 days that's a very impressive turnaround.

I've heard of people suffering from shutdown for months after running cycles when they did no PCT at all.
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Especially on longer (12 week) cycles running multiple compounds.
 
vujade said:
He was only using RC for the 1st month, then went to a doctor on got on Pharma Clomid and only got up to Total Test @ 90
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Oh ok, i didn't read far enough into it. I do agree that it looks like rebirth "may" have done something..its just kind of hard to say how much. Especially since he was also taking other supps during pct.
 
anabolix said:
Oh ok, i didn't read far enough into it. I do agree that it looks like rebirth "may" have done something..
its just kind of hard to say how much. Especially since he was also taking other supps during pct.
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True I did run Viron with it, but most people run a test booster with their SERM. And I dont think any of the ingredients in
Viron will boost Test 400%. The purpose of the SERM is to kickstart the HPTA and get your Test production back and running.
I believe that Rebirth did what it was intended to do. Imagine if my starting levels were between 150 to 200 like most people
that are shutdown... with a 400% increase in test, I would be at 600 - 800 Total T
 
vujade said:
True I did run Viron with it, but most people run a test booster with their SERM.
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I agree, some do. However, not when trying to come to a scientific conclusion. Thats how things get skewed, and it makes it near impossible to come to conclusion as to what a single supplement is doing. You need to limit the variables.
 
I think rebirth seems legit but at $40/bottle seems a little steep. Guess your paying for reliability over sketchy RC and online pharmacies.
 
max d said:
I think rebirth seems legit but at $40/bottle seems a little steep. Guess your paying for reliability over sketchy RC and online pharmacies.
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Ellagic acid cyclodextrin complex isnt exactly cheap. This is why the only other time ive ever seen it used it was 25mg. We give you 800mg per 2 caps so....a ton more.
You also pay for knowing 100% what your getting and reliablilty.

Rc sites have no responsibility. Since it says on the bottle dont eat they dont have to regulate and have no liability if you get sick or die.
Rc chems are often underdosed or overdosed
Contaminated with heavy metals and other toxins
Fake /totally bunk.
It might be slightly more but you get what you pay for.
 
Nice results...I'm sold, and I'm starting my pct in less than 2 weeks. I got a bottle of rebirth, a bottle of revolution, and a bottle of erase. I know that I should be fine coming off a 1-Andro and Epi-andro stack! Thanks Vujades, and Brundel.
 
I believe Rebirth would be a great product to run alongside a serm personally..

However, for the guys wanting to stay legal for whatever reason, this is probably your best bet..

But price wise, Serms can be bought for as little as $2-10 for a 30 day supply.. So idk why you'd chance it..
 
1. Rebirth IS a SERM.
2. If you can find a prescription SERM for 2$ you dont want it. But...Im 100% sure you cant.
 
anabolix said:
If you are running a serm, then there would be no point in using rebirth. I could see a use for it solely though, if you are trying to stay otc.
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Maybe in your mind..

But I'm sure 90% of the experienced cyclers on AM will not replace there serms with Rebirth, it's just a fact..
But I can see some adding it to there serm..
 
DigitalB said:
You can get Raws for $2 a G..
I can get pharma for $5-8 for a 30 days run based on doses.. Nolva or Clomid..
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You should def go do that.
If people were willing to source raws and manufacture their own products there would be no supp companies.
 
RipdnTxs said:
Impressive results, is Viron the only test booster you are using ???
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thx RipdnTxs.... yes, Viron for my Test Booster & Rebirth was my SERM.


Moore 45 said:
Nice results...I'm sold, and I'm starting my pct in less than 2 weeks. I got a bottle of rebirth, a bottle of revolution,
and a bottle of erase. I know that I should be fine coming off a 1-Andro and Epi-andro stack! Thanks Vujades, and Brundel.
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thx Moore. 1 Andro & Epi Andro should be fairly easy to recover from. I recovered really easy from my 1-Andro cycle i did a few years back.


DigitalB said:
I believe Rebirth would be a great product to run alongside a serm personally..

However, for the guys wanting to stay legal for whatever reason, this is probably your best bet..
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It probably could be stacked. Just like people stack 2 SERMS like Nolva and Clomid together.
Its not just people that want to stay legal, its also people that don't want to use RC SERMS.
 
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