Norcodrene and ECA
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Driven2lift
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I wouldn't add Y to Norco if you use 2 caps
It is against label directions so I'm not officially recommending this lol but you can dose ECA later if you take it slow and assess tolerance and ability to sleep after.
kissdadookie
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This is how I ran two bottles of Norcodrene when it first came out:
2 caps of Norco in the morning + 1 Bronkaid tablet
~6 hours later, 1 cap of Norco plus ~100 mg of additional caffein + 1 Bronkaid tablet
This is off label use though of course, but the above worked well. No need for additional yohimbine.
The_Old_Guy
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Yohimbine is most effective at .2mg per Kilogram. So right now, I take ~20mg of Y-HCL. I understand if you have physiological problems with Y-HCL, and obviously companies have liability concerns that rule the day, but the literature says:
Aleksandar37
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Wow! Glad you're liking it. I know a lot of thought and time went into creating that product.
jwsnowman
Member
Like I said, I'm quite sensitive to Y so when I tried out TA2 for the first time I was really impressed.
kbayne
Legend
Target-A2 is some potent stuff!
jgntyce
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I just received TA2 today. how would I dose it when I already take erase pro, norcodrene, and alphamine?
kbayne
Legend
You could add one cap to either your Norcodrene (1 cap) or Alphamine (1 scoop).
jgntyce
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can I do both?
kbayne
Legend
You mean, 1 Norco + 1 scoop Alphamine + 1 cap Target-A2?
If so, I wouldn't recommend it.
jgntyce
Board Sponsor
I mean 1 cap T2 with alphamine in the morning and 1 cap T2 with 1 cap norco midday.
Driven2lift
Legend
That is fine, as long as you are fine with the Yohimbe amount
kbayne
Legend
Yeah, that works.
But I would recommend trying a Target-A2 by itself before combining with Alphamine or Norcodrene to see how you respond as many have reported it is very strong.
jgntyce
Board Sponsor
I'm on it right now. wow! I feel very focused. it's definitely a clean energy boost without that whacked out stimmed feeling. another great PES product. I'm a believer!
bdcc
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This dosage is supported by a study showing lipid mobilisation effects.
"Investigations were carried out to analyse the interactions of alpha 2-antagonists (yohimbine, idazoxan, SK & F-86,466) with human fat cell alpha 2-adrenoceptors. All the alpha 2-antagonists enhanced the lipolytic potencies of epinephrine with an order of potency: yohimbine greater than idazoxan greater than SK & F-86,466; the same order was also found in 3H-yohimbine competition studies on human fat cell membranes. The most potent agent, yohimbine, was administered orally in humans to define the conditions of appearance and the time-course of a putative lipid-mobilizing action. Oral yohimbine administration (0.2 mg kg-1) elevated plasma glycerol and non-esterified fatty acids in fasting healthy subjects without significant action on heart rate or blood pressure during the time-course of the experiment. The lipid-mobilizing action of yohimbine was reinforced during physical exercise, completely suppressed after a meal and partially blocked by administration of propranolol (0.5 mg kg-1; 60 min before yohimbine). Plasma norepinephrine concentrations were increased (40-50%) after oral yohimbine administration. The rise in plasma catecholamine concentration elicited by yohimbine was not modified by propranolol treatment. The lipid-mobilizing effect of yohimbine could be attributable to: (i) the increase in synaptic norepinephrine with a resultant increment in lipolysis by beta-adrenergic agonism; (ii) a decrease in alpha 2-adrenoceptor stimulation of human fat cell alpha 2-adrenoceptors; (iii) a blockade of presynaptic alpha 2-adrenoceptors. The use of highly selective alpha 2-antagonists will allow investigations into alpha 2-adrenoceptors, which may represent a novel locus for pharmacological intervention in lipid-mobilization strategies."
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However, in a longer term trial which actually measured body composition they used a flat 20mg total daily dose (10mg twice per day).
"The main aim of this study was to determine the effects of yohimbine supplementation on body composition and exercise performance in professional soccer players. The athletes (20 top-level male soccer players) were allocated to two randomly assigned trials. Subjects in the yohimbine group orally ingested tablets that contains yohimbine at a dose of 20 milligrams per day in two equal doses for 21 days. Subjects in the placebo group ingested an equal number of identical-looking pills that contained cellulose. There were no statistically significant changes in body mass and muscle mass within or between trials (p > 0.05) after the supplementation protocol. Percentage of body fat significantly decreased in the yohimbine group after the supplementation protocol (9.3 +/- 1.1 vs. 7.1 +/- 2.2%; p < 0.05). Furthermore, fat mass was significantly lower in the yohimbine versus placebo trial at postsupplementation assessment (7.1 +/- 2.2 vs. 9.2 +/- 1.9%; p < 0.05). There were no changes in exercise performance indicators (bench and leg press, vertical jump, dribble and power test results, shuttle run) within or between. trials (p > 0.05). No subject reported any side effects from yohimbine. The results of the current study indicate that supplementation with yohimbine combined with resistance training does not significantly alter the body mass, muscle mass, or performance indicators in professional soccer players. Nonetheless, yohimbine supplementation appears to be suitable as a fat loss strategy in elite athletes."
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The_Old_Guy
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More (for the science geeks):
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The_Old_Guy
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I must be foggy today - what's the take away from your second study? Is it that ^? But doesn't make you stronger, as per:
bdcc
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The_Old_Guy
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Yes. Yohimbe improves body composition in already lean individuals.
Gotcha, thanks.