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Modern Opinions 4 Creatine HCL

JRSOLDJA

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Hey guys. We know that creatine HCL has been around for a little while claiming **** like its better than mono and better absorbtion. I've alway taken mono, however,
I've been thinking about going on a creatine bulk cycle instead of just using a creatine blend in my PWO. Now another claim is that it doesnt require a loading phase...which i personally dont believe.
Even with the HCL it is still creatine which needs to be built up in your system before it takes effect (in my opinion). Any thoughts?
I wanna start this next week. And i'm just trying to decide if I should take a chance with the HCL.
Thanks in advance!
 
Stick to mono.

If you want to pay extra get Ergonine instead. Creatine salts do mot improve it, but co-supplementing things like TMG can.
 
Hmm Ergonine does look interesting. I just read the label. maybe ill give it a shot, although I am already taking a preworkout. Can I get the Creatine Anhydrous by itself anywhere? But I have yet to see any studies, data or solid reviews on TMG.
 
JRSOLDJA said:
Hmm Ergonine does look interesting. I just read the label. maybe ill give it a shot, although I am already taking a preworkout. Can I get the Creatine Anhydrous by itself anywhere? But I have yet to see any studies, data or solid reviews on TMG.
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Check the write up at Athletixsports.com
References are there, TMG us well studied now and a very good tool for bodybuilders

Ergonine is not a pre, you can take it on its own anytime or even stack it with your pre.

It is 9 myogenic and ergogenic ingredients, some of the most studied and best around.
Enhances lean mass growth, fat loss, and recovery, among other benefits.

It's meant to be all if the bodybuilding staples in one scoop a day to optimize your efforts. It also has something mew to the scene, Ferulic Acid, which was also shown to increase performance.
 
Mono is fail proof. Just do 5g a day, pre, post or intra, or split the dose up to whatever combo u want. I have personally taken concret at full doses before and then again after, and it was great, tastes great too. But its costly and idk if its better than the mono, just absorbs better in water and pineapple tastes great.
 
Monohydrate is your best bet. Or check out some more creatine options at Strong Supplement shop.
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Mono. It's almost free... I think the last bulk CreaPure buy I did came out to 3 cents/serv. In order to make money with Creatine, you need to invent a new type and market the heck out of it, LOL. Mono.
 
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Personally would stick to Mono.
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Aside from differences such as experimental design, amount and duration of creatine dosage, training status of participants, etc., the variance in response to creatine supplementation may be due to regulatory mechanisms of a sodium-chloride dependent creatine transporter. The creatine transporter is directly involved in the extracellular uptake of creatine to increase the pool of metabolically active creatine in muscle [9]. It appears that intramuscular creatine uptake is dependent on creatine transporter activity, which has resulted in numerous creatine formulations having been developed in an attempt to improve muscle creatine uptake and potentially increasing the efficacy of creatine supplementation [10].

This part of the article would have me believe that the creatine HCL would be the better choice since the HCL is suppose to enhance delivery and absorbing it
 
Thanks for the input guys. I probably will stick to mono. The only reason I was considering creatine HCL is because the acid in our stomachs is hydrochloride. Which means that the creatine hcl wouldn't be broken down before its transported into the muscle cells hence why you wouldn't need a loading phase but would still need about 4 grams a day...so yea it makes it a little pricey. Has anyone tried to take 4 grams of hcl per a day??
 
JRSOLDJA said:
Thanks for the input guys. I probably will stick to mono. The only reason I was considering creatine HCL is because the acid in our stomachs is hydrochloride. Which means that the creatine hcl wouldn't be broken down before its transported into the muscle cells hence why you wouldn't need a loading phase but would still need about 4 grams a day...so yea it makes it a little pricey. Has anyone tried to take 4 grams of hcl per a day??
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I agree stick to mono,

But none of this post made sense lol

4g HCl just sounds like flushing money
 
JRSOLDJA said:
Hmm Ergonine does look interesting. I just read the label. maybe ill give it a shot, although I am already taking a preworkout. Can I get the Creatine Anhydrous by itself anywhere? But I have yet to see any studies, data or solid reviews on TMG.
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USPLabs has a product that contains just Creatine Anhydrous (@3g I believe) and TMG (aka betaine anhydrous) at 2.5g

which are the appropriate doses btw
 
JRSOLDJA said:
Thanks for the input guys. I probably will stick to mono. The only reason I was considering creatine HCL is because the acid in our stomachs is hydrochloride. Which means that the creatine hcl wouldn't be broken down before its transported into the muscle cells hence why you wouldn't need a loading phase but would still need about 4 grams a day...so yea it makes it a little pricey. Has anyone tried to take 4 grams of hcl per a day??
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The HCL would still be cleaved off the Creatine in the stomach. The Creatine HCL bond is negated by the HCL in the stomach and so absorption ) which occurs AFTER digestions would be similar to mono.

You do not need to load with mono either and its absorption is VERY high.
 
Jiigzz said:
The HCL would still be cleaved off the Creatine in the stomach. The Creatine HCL bond is negated by the HCL in the stomach and so absorption ) which occurs AFTER digestions would be similar to mono.

You do not need to load with mono either and its absorption is VERY high.
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Ok I see what you're saying. I figured that mono absorbtion is high enough...especially since we can usually feel the effects when taken with a preworkout and during a training session. Thank you though....I guess ill stick to the cheap tried and true mono lol.
 
Driven2lift said:
I agree stick to mono,

But none of this post made sense lol

4g HCl just sounds like flushing money
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That post was based on a friend of mine whos a micro lab chemist. She believes that the science behind it is sound but there hasnt been any actual testing on it yet....and just because you didnt understand that post doesnt mean it didnt make sense....just sayin...
 
JRSOLDJA said:
That post was based on a friend of mine whos a micro lab chemist. She believes that the science behind it is sound but there hasnt been any actual testing on it yet....and just because you didnt understand that post doesnt mean it didnt make sense....just sayin...
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So she is a chemist, not a biochemist. I am a chemical Engineer, that doesn't qualify me to know the physiological effects.

If you want to hypothesize go for it, but the studies show no benefit so I will stick with the facts.

I apologize if I came off arrogant. Just seems like 3x a day I am in various creatine salt threads just like this
 
Hey guys,

I know the thread is about HCL, but i take the opportunity to ask your opinion about Kre-Alkalyn Creatine.

I´m asking because i already tried 4 or 5 different brands of mono and the results were none. Not a slighty increase in strength, water retention, volume, neither in weight (i didn´t gain a single gram). The only thing i notice was thirsty. I gave up on taking creatine.

However some time ago, i tried Kre and i can say i felt a little more strength and a fast recovery between sets. I didn´t gain almost any weight neither volume however. I had thirsty too.

So despiste the Kre doesn´t seem to have the all benefits everyone talks about, it seems to work better the mono version on me.

Can be placebo effect?

I´m starting to think i have no response to creatine..
 
DoubleM101 said:
Hey guys,

I know the thread is about HCL, but i take the opportunity to ask your opinion about Kre-Alkalyn Creatine.

I´m asking because i already tried 4 or 5 different brands of mono and the results were none. Not a slighty increase in strength, water retention, volume, neither in weight (i didn´t gain a single gram). The only thing i notice was thirsty. I gave up on taking creatine.

However some time ago, i tried Kre and i can say i felt a little more strength and a fast recovery between sets. I didn´t gain almost any weight neither volume however. I had thirsty too.

So despiste the Kre doesn´t seem to have the all benefits everyone talks about, it seems to work better the mono version on me.

Can be placebo effect?

I´m starting to think i have no response to creatine..
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It can be placebo as buffered creatine is also negated by stomach acid
 
Driven2lift said:
So she is a chemist, not a biochemist. I am a chemical Engineer, that doesn't qualify me to know the physiological effects.

If you want to hypothesize go for it, but the studies show no benefit so I will stick with the facts.

I apologize if I came off arrogant. Just seems like 3x a day I am in various creatine salt threads just like this
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Haha no worries man. Spit the facts, I hold no grudges :) but she is a chemist in a micro lab...which is biochemistry. But again...only the science is sound, just not the experience or practicality
 
Jiigzz said:
It can be placebo as buffered creatine is also negated by stomach acid
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Maybe you right.. I start to thinking i´m a creatine non responder.

Theres any "special" type of creatine that can work better than mono? Or can i presume if mono doesn´t work with me, nothing else will work?
 
DoubleM101 said:
Hey guys,

I know the thread is about HCL, but i take the opportunity to ask your opinion about Kre-Alkalyn Creatine.

I´m asking because i already tried 4 or 5 different brands of mono and the results were none. Not a slighty increase in strength, water retention, volume, neither in weight (i didn´t gain a single gram). The only thing i notice was thirsty. I gave up on taking creatine.

However some time ago, i tried Kre and i can say i felt a little more strength and a fast recovery between sets. I didn´t gain almost any weight neither volume however. I had thirsty too.

So despiste the Kre doesn´t seem to have the all benefits everyone talks about, it seems to work better the mono version on me.

Can be placebo effect?

I´m starting to think i have no response to creatine..
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It could very well be a placebo effect. However, I noticed you said that you're always thirsty which is a sign of dehydration and that you werent drinking anywhere near the amount of water needed while on a "cycle" (for lack of a better term) of creatine. Creatine wont do much for ya without proper hydration throughout the day. Personally, I dont know anyone that speaks well of Kre-Alkalyn. My thoughts were originally monohydrate vs. HCL creatine.
 
MultiVitamin said:
Or perhaps you're expecting too much??
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Theres always that possibility but i really didn´t notice nothing at all. I tried with and without loading phase, always pos workout, different brands.. nothing. For what i know (i can be wrong however) a little increase in weight should be expected due to water retention but i didn´t notice even that.

JRSOLDJA said:
It could very well be a placebo effect. However, I noticed you said that you're always thirsty which is a sign of dehydration and that you werent drinking anywhere near the amount of water needed while on a "cycle" (for lack of a better term) of creatine. Creatine wont do much for ya without proper hydration throughout the day. Personally, I dont know anyone that speaks well of Kre-Alkalyn. My thoughts were originally monohydrate vs. HCL creatine.
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Yeah, i don´t know it the term "thisty" is the correct one but i felt dry mouth regardless the amount of water i drank. I had days i drank about 5 liters per day (about 1.3 gallons). There were moments i went to bathroom every 5 minutes (really unpleasant).

Maybe i´ll give another chance to mono.
 
DoubleM101 said:
Theres always that possibility but i really didn´t notice nothing at all. I tried with and without loading phase, always pos workout, different brands.. nothing. For what i know (i can be wrong however) a little increase in weight should be expected due to water retention but i didn´t notice even that.

Yeah, i don´t know it the term "thisty" is the correct one but i felt dry mouth regardless the amount of water i drank. I had days i drank about 5 liters per day (about 1.3 gallons). There were moments i went to bathroom every 5 minutes (really unpleasant).

Maybe i´ll give another chance to mono.
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yea thats not a bad idea. you never know until you try afterall. try either mono or hcl. mono...as listed in earlier posts...is waay cheaper. stil waiting on science and experience on HCL
 
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