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Best test booster?

Speaking of Bulgarian tribulus I've heard great things about the good ol tribestan. It's an old supp that people still take.

Personally my choice was alphamax, I'm running that next. Haven't tried yet tho... That platinum nutra test product looks crazy too.
 
I hear magnitropin and ABE are supposed to be phenominal. Im running Abe v2 now, 1 week in and appetite is crazy, no libido changes yet. Don't need it either ways tho lol.
 
ucheoma said:
Well have to agree to disagree. You say it increased your test slightly but not by what amounts. This is your personal experience but not supported by any studies ive read or bloodwork carried out by users that ive seen. There are more cost effective test boosters (within limitations of what testboosters can do). I certainly would not be recommending zma or bt as best in class based on empirical data and research studies
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I think theres a mis-communication here. I never said ZMA was a full on test booster by itself. I was merely stating that in my own experience I had positive results with ZMA AND bulgarian tribulus together. That and ive heard ZMA has been shown to aid in the production of HGH.
 
Thanks for clarifying. The title of the this thread is 'best test booster' and it was in this context that I responded to your comments. I'm glad we can put this one to bed. Smile

JRSOLDJA said:
Alphamax is a pretty good all-in-one product. But I'm a huge believer in ZMA and BULGARIAN Tribulus. any other tribulus is a waste from my experience...i think universal nutrition still sells the bulgarian stuff...not sure though....
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ucheoma said:
Thanks for clarifying. The title of the this thread is 'best test booster' and it was in this context that I responded to your comments. I'm glad we can put this one to bed. Smile
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Exactly, i understand where you're coming from. just personal experirence BT and ZMA worked best for me thats why i expressed my input. I'm curious to know what your favorite is though
 
T-Bone said:
I wouldn't call it useless...
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neither would I, but ironically i dont take ZMA before bed. I take it about halfway through the day with my 2nd dose of the bulgarian tribulus. Theres no science stating that ZMA HAS to be taken before sleeping
 
Running Viron currently, then will run alphamax.

Don't have any faves as of yet as am planning on doing bloodwork to see which has the best effect for me. Have gone for these two on the basis of labs posted on the website I could find. Also considering Activate Extreme if I can find results on their new formula, Found positive test results on the OG Activate Extreme. Would also have run Diesel Test but shipping costs to UK is quite high.

JRSOLDJA said:
Exactly, i understand where you're coming from. just personal experirence BT and ZMA worked best for me thats why i expressed my input. I'm curious to know what your favorite is though
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ucheoma said:
Running Viron currently, then will run alphamax.

Don't have any faves as of yet as am planning on doing bloodwork to see which has the best effect for me. Have gone for these two on the basis of labs posted on the website I could find. Also considering Activate Extreme if I can find results on their new formula, Found positive test results on the OG Activate Extreme. Would also have run Diesel Test but shipping costs to UK is quite high.
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right on, i've heard mixed reviews about Activate Extreme. A buddy of mine said he felt some slight effects fom Diesel Test like recovery and endurance. I'm still a fan of my PH's thought. Test boosters for PCT always. Have you thought about a test booster with an AI or anti-E ?
 
JRSOLDJA said:
right on, i've heard mixed reviews about Activate Extreme. A buddy of mine said he felt some slight effects fom Diesel Test like recovery and endurance. I'm still a fan of my PH's thought. Test boosters for PCT always. Have you thought about a test booster with an AI or anti-E ?
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Will agree with this one - for me as OTC test booster still No.1 pick would be quality tongkat ali product over any other tribulus, bulbine, DAA and other high claims ingredients.

So overall my No.1 pick currently is Viron.

And yes if you stack tongkat with AI like transdermal formestane then you get an effect that you definitely feel for few weeks but eventually everything returns to the baseline.

Would be interested in pre and post bloodwork from any guy taking Viron.
 
JRSOLDJA said:
right on, i've heard mixed reviews about Activate Extreme. A buddy of mine said he felt some slight effects fom Diesel Test like recovery and endurance. I'm still a fan of my PH's thought. Test boosters for PCT always. Have you thought about a test booster with an AI or anti-E ?
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He will be running Alphamax following his Viron run, Alphamax contains 75mg Arimistane per daily serving.
 
I'm running Formeron with Viron. Alphamax contains Arimistane as the AI but as I've read some debate as to whether Arimistane is an effective AI, just to be safe Im considering buying Inhibit E or Alphadex to back this up

Without knowing for a fact if these test boosters work for me buying AIs may be an unnecessary purchase which is why I'm going to see if I can get some tests done to ensure Im not throwing my hard earned money down the drain

JRSOLDJA said:
right on, i've heard mixed reviews about Activate Extreme. A buddy of mine said he felt some slight effects fom Diesel Test like recovery and endurance. I'm still a fan of my PH's thought. Test boosters for PCT always. Have you thought about a test booster with an AI or anti-E ?
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ahh123 said:
Will agree with this one - for me as OTC test booster still No.1 pick would be quality tongkat ali product over any other tribulus, bulbine, DAA and other high claims ingredients.

So overall my No.1 pick currently is Viron.

And yes if you stack tongkat with AI like transdermal formestane then you get an effect that you definitely feel for few weeks but eventually everything returns to the baseline.

Would be interested in pre and post bloodwork from any guy taking Viron.
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I hear that. I like quality tongkat ali as well, but usually mixed with other ingredients. I just started taking testojack 200 with zma and e-control for my PCT and hoping my recovery is flawless haha. but as far as black lion research goes...im not convinced of their products. Most of their ingredient profile is based on research with mice in a cardio situation. great for mice but anabolic effects on humans..? i guess id like to see a few reviews ya know...keep in mind that viron is just tongkat ali...which is a great ingredient but from what i hear..the research shows there is no "actual" test boosting properties in it.
 
JRSOLDJA said:
I hear that. I like quality tongkat ali as well, but usually mixed with other ingredients. I just started taking testojack 200 with zma and e-control for my PCT and hoping my recovery is flawless haha. but as far as black lion research goes...im not convinced of their products. Most of their ingredient profile is based on research with mice in a cardio situation. great for mice but anabolic effects on humans..? i guess id like to see a few reviews ya know...keep in mind that viron is just tongkat ali...which is a great ingredient but from what i hear..the research shows there is no "actual" test boosting properties in it.
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Viron is not just Tongkat ali. It also has a big dose of boron in it. I can vouch for Viron being a solid product. It boosted my free T from low normal to high normal while I was on TRT. I am at work right now so I cant pull the exact numbers, but it worked well for me.
 
ELROCK said:
Viron is not just Tongkat ali. It also has a big dose of boron in it. I can vouch for Viron being a solid product. It boosted my free T from low normal to high normal while I was on TRT. I am at work right now so I cant pull the exact numbers, but it worked well for me.
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Yep. Thats why i elected for viron. Found what looked to be solid data reported by users. Its not just about what product was used. Its about quality, dosages, synergistic interaction between compounds and of course safety profile.Most important of course are individual outcomes as a product may work for one person but not another which is why im an advocate of doing your own testing
 
Agree that much of the research on TA has been on rats but there are a couple or so studies on humans.

Acknowledge any observations that these focused on elderly/hypergonadal or on 'stressed' subjects and jury is still out on the efficacy on healthy and/or trained males but then that is pretty much the standard finding for most natty test boosters - efficacy is most notable in hypergonadal and/or elderly groups

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As has been pointed out above viron is not just TA. It includes Boron Citrate. There have been one or two human studies reporting boron increases Free Test







JRSOLDJA said:
I hear that. I like quality tongkat ali as well, but usually mixed with other ingredients. I just started taking testojack 200 with zma and e-control for my PCT and hoping my recovery is flawless haha. but as far as black lion research goes...im not convinced of their products. Most of their ingredient profile is based on research with mice in a cardio situation. great for mice but anabolic effects on humans..? i guess id like to see a few reviews ya know...keep in mind that viron is just tongkat ali...which is a great ingredient but from what i hear..the research shows there is no "actual" test boosting properties in it.
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ELROCK said:
Viron is not just Tongkat ali. It also has a big dose of boron in it. I can vouch for Viron being a solid product. It boosted my free T from low normal to high normal while I was on TRT. I am at work right now so I cant pull the exact numbers, but it worked well for me.
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i decided to go for it, got a bottle of viron to run with my iron stack [hpta/volume]. also added SNS inhibit-e and growth factor xt plus a small 24 count bottle of top secret nutritions 'natural-t for the fenugreek.
 
thebigt said:
i decided to go for it, got a bottle of viron to run with my iron stack [hpta/volume]. also added SNS inhibit-e and growth factor xt plus a small 24 count bottle of top secret nutritions 'natural-t for the fenugreek.
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Damn...that sounds like fun!
 
thebigt said:
i decided to go for it, got a bottle of viron to run with my iron stack [hpta/volume]. also added SNS inhibit-e and growth factor xt plus a small 24 count bottle of top secret nutritions 'natural-t for the fenugreek.
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Almost the identical stack I started 2 weeks ago:

Viron + HPTA + Formeron

Volume when needed ;) otherwise Growth Factor
 
ddfox said:
Almost the identical stack I started 2 weeks ago:

Viron + HPTA + Formeron

Volume when needed ;) otherwise Growth Factor
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i call it the grand slam stack because the bases are loaded and i am going to bring it home!!!
 
ucheoma said:
Agree that much of the research on TA has been on rats but there are a couple or so studies on humans.

Acknowledge any observations that these focused on elderly/hypergonadal or on 'stressed' subjects and jury is still out on the efficacy on healthy and/or trained males but then that is pretty much the standard finding for most natty test boosters - efficacy is most notable in hypergonadal and/or elderly groups

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As has been pointed out above viron is not just TA. It includes Boron Citrate. There have been one or two human studies reporting boron increases Free Test
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I agree with that. however I did notice that the study indicated in the first link was only through salivary cortisol and testosterone testing. which has already been disqualified as an accurate way to measure both cortisol and testosterone level in the human bloodstream. obviously I'm not claiming I know everything, and correct me if I'm wrong...hasn't modern science dictated that an "effective" dose of TA has to be between 400 -600mg's daily for noticeable effects...? But I'm still considering trying viron anyway though.
 
JRSOLDJA said:
I agree with that. however I did notice that the study indicated in the first link was only through salivary cortisol and testosterone testing. which has already been disqualified as an accurate way to measure both cortisol and testosterone level in the human bloodstream. obviously I'm not claiming I know everything, and correct me if I'm wrong...hasn't modern science dictated that an "effective" dose of TA has to be between 400 -600mg's daily for noticeable effects...? But I'm still considering trying viron anyway though.
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Viron dose have an effective dose of TA. It has 500mg of quality TA plus the 20mg of boron per serving.
 
thebigt said:
i call it the grand slam stack because the bases are loaded and i am going to bring it home!!!
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yea bitT! how long will you be running this stack and how long will you take a break from it before starting again?
 
There is nothing stating that the dose needs to be in the 400-600mg range for effectiveness. There are numerous variables in play like extraction process, purity, and standardization. The typical recommended dose is 50-200 mg/day of a water-extracted tongkat ali root standardized to 22% eurypeptides. But even then, that is just recommendation and I believe that was made by the company that manufactures lj100.
 
This thread is quite the read. Endosurge Turbo and AlphaMax are the two favorites I've ran, but I have not ran that many products in this category. Also lol at everyone talking about products based off user feedback. User feedback on supplements is fine and dandy, but it has its shortcomings. Just look at the product review pages. You are hard pressed to find many supplements with under a 4.0. You see "perfect" 5/5's all over the place and in multiple categories. With so many perfect fat burners, perfect pre-workouts, perfect test boosters why is everyone constantly running new stuff? User feedback is great, but personal feedback is by far the best. I can't even begin to list the number of supplements that everyone seems to love that I didn't see anything from. You really don't know how good something is for you until you run it, but many people will make their recommendations off the crowd or what they think the product might do for them based on the label.
 
What would be tbe best stacker to be used with test powder and zma, no AI's please...
 
Geoforce said:
This thread is quite the read. Endosurge Turbo and AlphaMax are the two favorites I've ran, but I have not ran that many products in this category. Also lol at everyone talking about products based off user feedback. User feedback on supplements is fine and dandy, but it has its shortcomings. Just look at the product review pages. You are hard pressed to find many supplements with under a 4.0. You see "perfect" 5/5's all over the place and in multiple categories. With so many perfect fat burners, perfect pre-workouts, perfect test boosters why is everyone constantly running new stuff? User feedback is great, but personal feedback is by far the best. I can't even begin to list the number of supplements that everyone seems to love that I didn't see anything from. You really don't know how good something is for you until you run it, but many people will make their recommendations off the crowd or what they think the product might do for them based on the label.
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So true. A lot of people like to embellish because they think it will get them free or more free supplements. Also I think a lot of people don't understand the rating system so much. They thing 3 out of five is terrible or something. With 1-5, I'd say 1 is "terrible", 2 is "Ok", 3 would be "average", 4 is "Pretty Damn good" and 5 is "The best damn supplement ever, just perfection.". Hardly anything at all is really worth a 5 in my experience. But hey, if you want you can go on and on about how honest you are and rate everything single thing you review as a 5....
 
T-Bone said:
So true. A lot of people like to embellish because they think it will get them free or more free supplements. Also I think a lot of people don't understand the rating system so much. They thing 3 out of five is terrible or something. With 1-5, I'd say 1 is "terrible", 2 is "Ok", 3 would be "average", 4 is "Pretty Damn good" and 5 is "The best damn supplement ever, just perfection.". Hardly anything at all is really worth a 5 in my experience. But hey, if you want you can go on and on about how honest you are and rate everything single thing you review as a 5....
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50 reviews on the first two pages. Maybe 45 total since a few haven't been reviewed. Of these only one has a lower than 4.0 average score. You really can't simply look at reviews for gauging how something is imo. I will look at reviews to decide what I want to try sometimes, I'm not saying they have no value, but this is definitely an industry that goes through multiple "flavors of the week, month, etc."
 
I will say in my experience , anbeta elite, Xfactor or Xgels and follidrone all deserve 5/5 along with PES select protein.

Mostly all the other boosters I've tried never deliver. Some offer libido but then ruin your sleep, some do nothing, etc etc

Feedback for HPTA looks good but think you have to double dose as looks under dosed with only 3 tabs
 
Thanks. I'm also taking a day off here and there. Do you take 2 consecutive days off?

I've been going more like 3 days on 1 off.
 
ddfox said:
Thanks. I'm also taking a day off here and there. Do you take 2 consecutive days off?

I've been going more like 3 days on 1 off.
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For me I like Viron 2 days on 1 days off then 2 days on 2 days off - at 1 cap works good but if take 2 caps then effects get noticeable in half the time.

Stack it with AI like transdermal formestane (even doses 50-100 mg will work great) and you could have a hard time sleeping cause of a pitching tent hehe.
 
ahh123 said:
For me I like Viron 2 days on 1 days off then 2 days on 2 days off - at 1 cap works good but if take 2 caps then effects get noticeable in half the time.

Stack it with AI like transdermal formestane (even doses 50-100 mg will work great) and you could have a hard time sleeping cause of a pitching tent hehe.
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Need some!
 
Res100 or barlowes elixers 7- benzo flavone...a clone of the same formula...tons of blood work too. Outside of these the original activate xtreme and or triazole.
 
ok s there seems to be different benefits to various products so just out of curiosity, what if any would be the benefit of stacking alphamax and king pin? or for that matter any combination of or lets just go crazy and stack 3 or 4 of these at the same time.
 
tdf700 said:
ok s there seems to be different benefits to various products so just out of curiosity, what if any would be the benefit of stacking alphamax and king pin? or for that matter any combination of or lets just go crazy and stack 3 or 4 of these at the same time.
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What are you trying to accomplish??
 
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