Who wants a new BLR SERM?!

Should BLR release a new SERM?

  • Yes New BLR SERM!!!

    Votes: 79 90.8%

  • No I love shady RC chems.

    Votes: 8 9.2%
  • Total voters
    87
Thanks brother.
Ill have my phone with me so I wont be totally disconnected.
 
Done gone and purchased dat Serm. Lets see what it can do!
 
brundel said:
400mg Ellagic acid cyclodextrin complex
400mg E cottonii
Per 1 cap
60 caps per bottle.
39.99

Ill post a writeup with all the important ellagic and E cottonii studies on Monday as its my Bday and V day this weekend and Im going out of town.
Ill also start promotions and product logs next week.

When I first started working with the Ellagic it didnt work well at low doses doses. =500mg or so. And, at 1000mg it caused stomach discomfort.
The cyclodextrin complex gives it 500-1000% better bioavailability (yes I have studies to support this) and it allows for a much lower dose.
None the less we included 800mg ellagic cyclodextrin complex and 800mg E cottonii per 2 cap dose. A VERY high dose for ellagic and pretty high for e cottonii as well. Ive never seen either used at these doses. The only time I have ever seen an ellagic cyclodextrin is was at 25mg. We use 800,
Frankly..1 cap is more than enough and none of the trial testers used more than 500mg ellagic complex. It was extremely stout in testing and we had not even used the e cottonii so this is just icing on the cake.
Ellagic also has some other interesting properties like fat burning and some others Ill talk about when I begin promotions.
Id say more but I have to leave in about 20 min.

For now TGB supplements and Strong will begin pre sales and on Mon Ill start pushing the product and we can start some logs.
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I read about ellagic acid whilst research cancer preventing Foods.I think raspberries contain it also.Very excited to try it out as pct
 
uubiduu said:
I read about ellagic acid whilst research cancer preventing Foods.I think raspberries contain it also.Very excited to try it out as pct
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Yes sir ellagic acid is very good. Its been used before like I had said but the doses were always too low. My research indicated we need 1000+mg doses. Well this causes gi issues. So we used cyclodextrins and cranked up the dose. = several grams a day of ellagic in 1 dose.
Plus 800mg e cottonii per 2 caps. Again 1 cap should do it so you have 60 doses.
Ill post some research studies when i get home.
 
Also the ai is en route. I should have the first kilo in about 10 days. We will start testing right away. If it is as stout as I expect we will likely start public testing within 4 weeks. Release approx 6 to 8 weeks.
This is if everything goes well.
This stuff is also significantly anabolic. The moa is amazing. Ive never seen anything like this.

We are also releasing a lighter transdermal with some very interesting additional ingredients. Very cool.
 
Oh...we are also very close to an epi combo product. Really strong stuff.
And we will be testing a new type of anabolic along with the ai.
Im dying to tell you guys...ive put a ton of work into these....one thing i know for sure...you will be excited to get your hands on this.
 
Out of interest brundel, did you start developing this massive load of new products in expectation of the DASCA being passed, or is it just coincidental and you were already planning to revamp your lineup?

Seems a lot of companies were totally blindsided by the passage of the act, I remember before any of these new things were announced you seemed remarkably blasé about the demise of Formestane, now we know why :D

Was it a happy coincidence or a reaction to the change in the political climate?
 
It has finally released!! That was a long wait! haha

Eager to see the write-up on the proposed MOA in restarting the HPTA. Clomid does this via antagonism of ER within the hypothalamus to release GNRH(primarily your ERalpha if I remember correctly). This is why it is used in fertility treatment for both men and women.

Do you know if ellagic acid antagonizes the human ERalpha within the hypothalamus?

Way back, the research I sent you suggeted E. Cottonii works very similarly to tamoxifen in that it is more specific to ER beta within the breast tissue(which is why tamoxifen used with estrogenic breast cancers). So if ellagic acid antagonizes the estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, this would essentially be a natural alternative to the nolva/clomid combo which very popular due to its dual MOA.

Happy belated birthday! Congrats on the release. Its been quite some time in the making. Cheers! :cheers:
 
I'm starting a halo run in a couple days... gonna compare this bad boy to my usual clomid. The price is fantastic as well.

There won't be bloodwork but I'll be sure to post a review!
 
conkertheking said:
Out of interest brundel, did you start developing this massive load of new products in expectation of the DASCA being passed, or is it just coincidental and you were already planning to revamp your lineup?

Seems a lot of companies were totally blindsided by the passage of the act, I remember before any of these new things were announced you seemed remarkably blasé about the demise of Formestane, now we know why :D

Was it a happy coincidence or a reaction to the change in the political climate?
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A little of both. I knew one day formestane would get whacked and my goal was to move into natural things that would avoid future issues. This way i dont put months into r&d only to have my product outlawed. I was blindsided though. I did t expect it when it came or id have already had the ai ready. The good news is i had been working on other things. Plus...forcing me into r&d mode is very good for you guys because lots of new things are coming.
 
yelis300 said:
I'm hoping the Ai is oral. Not against transdermals, its just easier to pop a pill.
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Same, but more out of fear of using the same hand towels as any females or washing clothes with the people in my family. Might be unsubstantiated fear but it keeps me away from all hormonal topicals nonetheless.
 
A transdermal patch would be sweet

They're typically quite small, clean, direct. The fear of."cross.contamination " to women or little ones is greatly lessened. Many hold up w/o issue in the shower too. Brundels an iinnovative.guy I wouldn't put it past him....
 
Too many transdermals coming out. You'll run out of places to effectively apply them, not to mention getting the timing down and the different scents they carry.
 
BigGame84 said:
This new AI wouldn't be cyclohexylaminoglutethimide, correct?
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My guess is no as Brundels product will probably be the first of its kind. If it is this it would probably be vastly superior to current product that may contain this both because of carrier and quality of raws.
 
I think that serm would go well with my BLR stash. I personally like transdermals for the new AI.... And what is this new Epi you speak of? Invalid Link Removed
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
It has finally released!! That was a long wait! haha

Eager to see the write-up on the proposed MOA in restarting the HPTA. Clomid does this via antagonism of ER within the hypothalamus to release GNRH(primarily your ERalpha if I remember correctly). This is why it is used in fertility treatment for both men and women.

Do you know if ellagic acid antagonizes the human ERalpha within the hypothalamus?

Way back, the research I sent you suggeted E. Cottonii works very similarly to tamoxifen in that it is more specific to ER beta within the breast tissue(which is why tamoxifen used with estrogenic breast cancers). So if ellagic acid antagonizes the estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, this would essentially be a natural alternative to the nolva/clomid combo which very popular due to its dual MOA.

Happy belated birthday! Congrats on the release. Its been quite some time in the making. Cheers! :cheers:
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I dont want to make a direct comparison to a medication in my words. Instead when i return from my vacation ill post a study that shows its moa and makes those comparisons. This way ots a study quote and not the owners quote. But youll see why we use it ;)
This stuff is really amazing. Very mild agonist and complete antagonist depending on erb or a.
 
BigGame84 said:
This new AI wouldn't be cyclohexylaminoglutethimide, correct?
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No. Is that plant based? Its a pain to search from my phone.
If its not natural we would not likely use it. Trust me..atd, 6oxo, formestane etc etc all non plant based ais that got whacked.
ours is plant based.
 
3pic_B3ast said:
My guess is no as Brundels product will probably be the first of its kind. If it is this it would probably be vastly superior to current product that may contain this both because of carrier and quality of raws.
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For sure nobody used this before. The study i have regarding the new ai is from 2015 and not released to the public yet so nobody has seen it ;)
 
A great time is coming where lifters will be able to use effective products without breaking any laws or prohibitions.

And the best thing is these natty products cannot be banned by sports organisation s.
 
uubiduu said:
A great time is coming where lifters will be able to use effective products without breaking any laws or prohibitions.

And the best thing is these natty products cannot be banned by sports organisation s.
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Mate some of these aholEs are trying to ban creatine. Next thing you know men will be charged for diddling other handsome men!
 
brundel said:
No. Is that plant based? Its a pain to search from my phone.
If its not natural we would not likely use it. Trust me..atd, 6oxo, formestane etc etc all non plant based ais that got whacked.
ours is plant based.
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Is ATD gone? Wasn't aware that it was on the list
 
CJNator said:
So broke right now lol how much do you think the price will ramp up within a week or two?
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Ramp up? No sir i wouldnt do that to you.
The price is set. Its more than reasonable I think. I would pay for it at that price. I realize some will think thats crazy and i should sell it for as much as possible but I want you to have access to it. Its not all about money for me. For me its about making the best products i can in order to help others reach their goals be it muscle growth or pct or whatever. If the prices are high itll make it hard for guys with less cash to use it. If its reasonable then everyone can use it and use it again because it kicks ass. = win for both of us.
 
BLR is blue collar everymans supplement line, free of a divide or caste system!

God Bless America!
God Bless a tone, muscular physique!!!
 
brundel said:
Ramp up? No sir i wouldnt do that to you. The price is set. Its more than reasonable I think. I would pay for it at that price. I realize some will think thats crazy and i should sell it for as much as possible but I want you to have access to it. Its not all about money for me. For me its about making the best products i can in order to help others reach their goals be it muscle growth or pct or whatever. If the prices are high itll make it hard for guys with less cash to use it. If its reasonable then everyone can use it and use it again because it kicks ass. = win for both of us.
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thanks for all you do for us on this forum.
 
I think the price is more than fair. 60 caps/bottle and @1 cap/day dosing 1 bottle will last 2 months. FOR AN EFFECTIVE PRODUCT! Sure, somebody will wanna take 2/day but brundel said 1 would be plenty and I believe him, he designed it.
 
brundel said:
400mg Ellagic acid cyclodextrin complex
400mg E cottonii
Per 1 cap
60 caps per bottle.
39.99

Ill post a writeup with all the important ellagic and E cottonii studies on Monday as its my Bday and V day this weekend and Im going out of town.
Ill also start promotions and product logs next week.

When I first started working with the Ellagic it didnt work well at low doses doses. =500mg or so. And, at 1000mg it caused stomach discomfort.
The cyclodextrin complex gives it 500-1000% better bioavailability (yes I have studies to support this) and it allows for a much lower dose.
None the less we included 800mg ellagic cyclodextrin complex and 800mg E cottonii per 2 cap dose. A VERY high dose for ellagic and pretty high for e cottonii as well. Ive never seen either used at these doses. The only time I have ever seen an ellagic cyclodextrin is was at 25mg. We use 800,
Frankly..1 cap is more than enough and none of the trial testers used more than 500mg ellagic complex. It was extremely stout in testing and we had not even used the e cottonii so this is just icing on the cake.
Ellagic also has some other interesting properties like fat burning and some others Ill talk about when I begin promotions.
Id say more but I have to leave in about 20 min.

For now TGB supplements and Strong will begin pre sales and on Mon Ill start pushing the product and we can start some logs.
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What about Nutraplanet, are they going to have Rebirth on their site?
 
yelis300 said:
I think the price is more than fair. 60 caps/bottle and @1 cap/day dosing 1 bottle will last 2 months. FOR AN EFFECTIVE PRODUCT! Sure, somebody will wanna take 2/day but brundel said 1 would be plenty and I believe him, he designed it.
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Never ceases to amaze me how pervasive the "more dosage = more effective" thinking can be - many medications and supplements saturate at a certain dosage whereby taking any extra just changes the colour of one's piss.

Of course, if that's the ultimate goal of your supplement regime… :p
 
Because this acts like a SERM will we have to taper down the doses like a Nolva protocol such as 20/20/10/10?
 
brundel said:
Ramp up? No sir i wouldnt do that to you.
The price is set. Its more than reasonable I think. I would pay for it at that price. I realize some will think thats crazy and i should sell it for as much as possible but I want you to have access to it. Its not all about money for me. For me its about making the best products i can in order to help others reach their goals be it muscle growth or pct or whatever. If the prices are high itll make it hard for guys with less cash to use it. If its reasonable then everyone can use it and use it again because it kicks ass. = win for both of us.
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Thanks :) will be getting it soon!
 
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