Arecoline

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QuinoaSucks

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Anyone heard of arecoline?

Apparently it's similar to nicotine and is found in betel nut which is an extremely popular productivity/social drug in Asia. Only problem is that betel nut, like tobacco, is carcinogenic and makes your mouth look like this with long term use:

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Unless you just ate out a woman on her period, your mouth should never look like this.

So obviously I have some reservations about the traditional route. Anyway arecoline, similar to nicotine, has nootropic and social lubricant qualities. Thought it would be sweet if some enterprising supplement company would develop an arecoline td patch or perhaps a betel nut tincture for cognitive enhancement properties.

What you all think? Dumb idea? Or stroke of goddamn brilliance?
 
Synapsin said:
It is extremely dangerous and deadly. Avoid this at ALL cost.
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Is it really that deadly? It's been used by hundreds of millions of people in Asian and island countries for hundreds or thousands of years and still is. It seems more along the lines of tobacco as danger is concerned.
 
Do you really want to risk it? It's that intriguing to you?
 
Afi140 said:
Do you really want to risk it? It's that intriguing to you?
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Its not like he is making 40 comments arguing on why he should take it. He's asking a interesting question thats all.

I haven't looked into it OP but i see your point but its Possibly different when used outside of its natural form like Coco Leafs?
 
Synapsin said:
It is extremely dangerous and deadly. Avoid this at ALL cost.
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Don't say this, people hear dangerous and think it must be amazing.

In before it is being sold black market like DNP. ;)
 
DarthGainer said:
Its not like he is making 40 comments arguing on why he should take it. He's asking a interesting question thats all. I haven't looked into it OP but i see your point but its Possibly different when used outside of its natural form like Coco Leafs?
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and all I did was ask him two questions in return ;) when synapsin, deeb, and coop all say it's deadly don't use it... You can be pretty sure it's not wise to use it. They have no vested interest in it as they have already said they will never use it in their products. Even with a quick glance at the study coop posted it's pretty clear it's not something that should be messed with. Here is the last sentence of it

"In conclusion, the results indicate that arecoline could induce neuronal apoptotic death by attenuating antioxidant defense and enhancing oxidative stress"

But go ahead and use away. I'm not the one using it.
 
Afi140 said:
and all I did was ask him two questions in return ;) when synapsin, deeb, and coop all say it's deadly don't use it... You can be pretty sure it's not wise to use it. They have no vested interest in it as they have already said they will never use it in their products. Even with a quick glance at the study coop posted it's pretty clear it's not something that should be messed with. Here is the last sentence of it

"In conclusion, the results indicate that arecoline could induce neuronal apoptotic death by attenuating antioxidant defense and enhancing oxidative stress"

But go ahead and use away. I'm not the one using it.
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Not sure the way you took my post, It wasn't an attack or anything. All i'm meaning is he's not posting constantly trying to justify why he should take it. No one said he or myself are going to use it.
I wouldn't touch it but i thought its interesting regarding workers using it in Asia thats all.
 
QuinoaSucks said:
Is it really that deadly? It's been used by hundreds of millions of people in Asian and island countries for hundreds or thousands of years and still is. It seems more along the lines of tobacco as danger is concerned.
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Yes. Research indicates that there is substantial evidence that areca nut is toxic to the heart, the brain, the lungs, and your GI. It can also cause cancer, diabetes, liver toxicity, etc. If you ask me, that's pretty deadly.

bdcc said:
Don't say this, people hear dangerous and think it must be amazing.

In before it is being sold black market like DNP. ;)
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Hahah that's fair.
 
QuinoaSucks said:
Is it really that deadly? It's been used by hundreds of millions of people in Asian and island countries for hundreds or thousands of years and still is. It seems more along the lines of tobacco as danger is concerned.
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Do you buy the hype of products made/used "in the Far East" or "The Orient" for "thousands of years?" Maybe when the world seemed smaller and the East more exotic, these ploys would have worked on rubes.

Look at the guy in the picture you posted. He looks quite healthy.
 
Synapsin said:
I would not suggest using it at all. There are over 50 studies showing it is dangerous, why even risk it???
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Yeah, but THAT ONE GUY...
 
Do you buy the hype of products made/used "in the Far East" or "The Orient" for "thousands of years?" Maybe when the world seemed smaller and the East more exotic, these ploys would have worked on rubes.

Look at the guy in the picture you posted. He looks quite healthy.
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I give no credence to the "Far East" mystique like you seem to be implying I'm enamored with. For **** sake man, this isn't Marco Polo days.

I only give credence to the fact that people have used it for a long time and seem to be living a similar fashion to which we are here in the U.S.

It doesn't matter where the trend originates from. I'm also intrigued with the ways of South American shamans but that doesn't mean I'm about to strap on a loin cloth and start claiming spiritual exorcising abilities in an effort to liberate large breasted American women from their psychological problems if only they would drink some DMT with me and explore their inner selves. Or maybe..... haha

I also drink the horribly toxic chemical known as alcohol, participate in unprotected sexual behavior, and engage in various other nefarious deeds in an effort to satiate my basic human need for experience.

Many things are poison in the right amount, many things are also medicine in the right amount. I'm just trying to avoid overly black and white profiling of such behavior.
 
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QuinoaSucks said:
I give no credence to the "Far East" mystique like you seem to be implying I'm enamored with. For **** sake man, this isn't Marco Polo days.

I only give credence to the fact that people have used it for a long time and seem to be living a similar fashion to which we are here in the U.S.

It doesn't matter where the trend originates from. I'm also intrigued with the ways of South American shamans but that doesn't mean I'm about to strap on a loin cloth and start claiming spiritual exorcising abilities in an effort to liberate large breasted American women from their psychological problems if only they would drink some DMT with me and explore their inner selves. Or maybe..... haha

I also drink the horribly toxic chemical known as alcohol, participate in unprotected sexual behavior, and engage in various other nefarious deeds in an effort to satiate my basic human need for experience.

Many things are poison in the right amount, many things are also medicine in the right amount. I'm just trying to avoid overly black and white profiling of such behavior.
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In what amount is smoking cigarettes medicinal? Because arecoline is very analagous to cigarettes, just in the eastern world
 
In what amount is smoking cigarettes medicinal? Because arecoline is very analagous to cigarettes, just in the eastern world
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Just a few. By the way, I never said that smoking cigarettes is medicinal, I said that many things are medicinal (and implied spiritually significant in someway) in the right amount and many of those same things are poisonous in the right amount.

Example:
Nicotine, Morphine, Alcohol, Benzodiazepines, Barbiturates, Amphetamines, Cocaine, Beta-blockers, SSRI's, various hallucinogens, etc., etc., etc.

I admit, my medicinal/poisonous statement was deliberately misleading because almost any drug can be medicinal or poisonous in the right or wrong amounts. I used it to make a point that overall longevity does not have to be, and for many people is not, the ultimate goal in life.

Overall utility can outweigh medical consequence in some circumstances. The problem is that this sort of question can fall into the realm of the subjective.

What may seem morally right to you may mean nothing to another person and vice versa
 
Also, I'm a pain in the a$$ who doesn't like to lose an argument.

I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong about a purely inquisitive statement and agree that betel nut probably isn't worthy of research.

I just didn't like how ze great Sir Piston of the Honda dismissed my statements.

Lol. Don't neg me man :wall:
 
Piston Honda said:
Look at the guy in the picture you posted. He looks quite healthy.
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Regardless of my preceding arguments, that dude may not look healthy, but he looks happy as hell. You can't tell if he ate the cherries of a thousand virgins or chewed the quids of a thousand ch***s.
 
QuinoaSucks said:
Regardless of my preceding arguments, that dude may not look healthy, but he looks happy as hell. You can't tell if he ate the cherries of a thousand virgins or chewed the quids of a thousand ch***s.
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Nicotine may be one thing in the studies you posted, but the hundred toxic chemicals found in cigarettes is another.
 
QuinoaSucks said:
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Just a few. By the way, I never said that smoking cigarettes is medicinal, I said that many things are medicinal (and implied spiritually significant in someway) in the right amount and many of those same things are poisonous in the right amount.

Example:
Nicotine, Morphine, Alcohol, Benzodiazepines, Barbiturates, Amphetamines, Cocaine, Beta-blockers, SSRI's, various hallucinogens, etc., etc., etc.

I admit, my medicinal/poisonous statement was deliberately misleading because almost any drug can be medicinal or poisonous in the right or wrong amounts. I used it to make a point that overall longevity does not have to be, and for many people is not, the ultimate goal in life.

Overall utility can outweigh medical consequence in some circumstances. The problem is that this sort of question can fall into the realm of the subjective.

What may seem morally right to you may mean nothing to another person and vice versa
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I did not say nicotine. I know nicotine has beneficial properties. Re-read my post.
 
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