Ok., I will spell it out for you a bit more plainly. My point is that form is self correcting. Lifters learn form by first being told something, or reading something, or watching someone do something, whatever the case may be, form starts as an idea. So everyone, or nearly everyone, has bad form when they start lifting, because form at that point is just an idea for them, they don't really know how to do it. So why doesn't everyone get hurt the first time they try lifting weights? Because they are usually using light weights. They can get hurt if they attempt to use weights that are too heavy. I did the first time I tried deadlifts. However, provided they don't make that mistake, they generally won't get hurt, bad form notwithstanding. So how do we learn proper form then? By adding weight to the bar, and learning the parameters of the body and the physics of moving the weight, and trying out the ideas we have about it, and learning how they apply. Once we do that, the idea of form becomes a practice, and the initial instruction becomes a cue. I think lifters will generally push the envelope a little with regards to how much weight they can actually handle, but again, injury is not usually a direct result of lifting. Most people will stay within their limits and only lift what they can handle. As strength increases though, we have to learn more about how to handle the weight. If we have incorrect form it stands out more as we try to lift heavier, and we have to correct it, to the point where people are eventually lifting truly heavy loads. At that point form is critical, but it's also ingrained. Now, I'm not trying to train anyone. I was just making a comment about the nature of form, in that it goes hand in hand with strength, and that it's acquired by the individual lifter in the same way strength is, by direct experience and work. Coaches can help for sure, but even the best advice has to be put into practice and learned first hand. For the life of me I cannot understand what you think is wrong about any of that, or how it could result in anyone getting hurt. You still haven't said so, all you've done is give me a hard time, which I do not appreciate, even a little. You getting pissed off is your prerogative, but you giving me noise about is making it my problem, and I have a temper too.