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NattyForLife said:
Your missing my point! Taking antioxidants(multi) or fish oil around you workout is a no-no.
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this is such a minuscule effect it's not even worth worrying about. If you think you're gonna miss out on gains by having any antioxidant in your system then you better just not eat anywhere near it either. Very silly
 
booneman77 said:
this is such a minuscule effect it's not even worth worrying about. If you think you're gonna miss out on gains by having any antioxidant in your system then you better just not eat anywhere near it either. Very silly
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Maybe the multi wouldn't be super bad, but fish oil will directly hinder gains!
 
Swolbraham said:
Lol make sure you be at within thirty minutes too bro!
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anabolic window is starts closing as soon as you set the weight down... Everyone knows you have to have a shake within 47sec or you lose all gains forever. Might as well just trade gym for beer and cigs if you miss it once
 
The Solution said:
I did it for PS4 Release
bought 2 of them
Sold them both around xmas time online
and made dobule the price
paid 425$ each for pre-order
and then sold them for around 800$ each

Winning?
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That's classic lol staying up late drinking alphamine playing cod AW on PS4 crew lol
 
HIgh volume comes out, new favorite pre-workout, black friday/cyber monday around the corner. man I love this month. Can't wait to stock up on alphamine, select 55 and norco once the deals start rolling. Who do you guys think will have the best deals for this upcoming holiday shopping extravaganza
 
booneman77 said:
this is such a minuscule effect it's not even worth worrying about. If you think you're gonna miss out on gains by having any antioxidant in your system then you better just not eat anywhere near it either. Very silly
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just like how you think in a bulking phase you should keep your carbs to minimum on off days :)
I know there is a study on fishoils in the pre/post -workout period to be avoided

:"PGF2alpha has been found to be critical in muscle growth, including protein synthesis. These results suggest that the lack of increase in PGF2alpha synthesis at three days of remobilization in fish oil might have notably contributed to the inhibition of muscle recovery at this time. These results imply that the PGF2alpha synthesis suppressed by the dietary fish oil at three days of remobilization might inhibit muscle recovery. PGF2alpha, derived by COX-2, cannot be formed from DHA or EPA, but is formed from arachidonic acid (AA; a predominant n-6 fatty acid), whose release amount from the cellular membrane is determined by its content in cell membrane. This fact suggests that arachidonic acid levels in the muscle membrane lowered by chronic dietary fish oil intake can reduce the production of PGF2alpha in skeletal muscle."

Basically ---> " Training is inflammatory, and believe it or not, we WANT inflammation as that is part of the mechanism behind cuing repair. As fish oil is anti-inflammatory, we do not want to dose it immediately pre or post workout."
 
bbartsche said:
HIgh volume comes out, new favorite pre-workout, black friday/cyber monday around the corner. man I love this month. Can't wait to stock up on alphamine, select 55 and norco once the deals start rolling. Who do you guys think will have the best deals for this upcoming holiday shopping extravaganza
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Check Nutra. They always go NUTS
GRN will be a good one too.
 
The Solution said:
just like how you think in a bulking phase you should keep your carbs to minimum on off days :) I know there is a study on fishoils in the pre/post -workout period to be avoided :"PGF2alpha has been found to be critical in muscle growth, including protein synthesis. These results suggest that the lack of increase in PGF2alpha synthesis at three days of remobilization in fish oil might have notably contributed to the inhibition of muscle recovery at this time. These results imply that the PGF2alpha synthesis suppressed by the dietary fish oil at three days of remobilization might inhibit muscle recovery. PGF2alpha, derived by COX-2, cannot be formed from DHA or EPA, but is formed from arachidonic acid (AA; a predominant n-6 fatty acid), whose release amount from the cellular membrane is determined by its content in cell membrane. This fact suggests that arachidonic acid levels in the muscle membrane lowered by chronic dietary fish oil intake can reduce the production of PGF2alpha in skeletal muscle." Basically ---> " Training is inflammatory, and believe it or not, we WANT inflammation as that is part of the mechanism behind cuing repair. As fish oil is anti-inflammatory, we do not want to dose it immediately pre or post workout."
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Thanks! Good to know. No big deal to move the fish oil to lunch... I also noticed they said, "CHRONIC use do dietary fish oil..."; what's considered "chronic"? Sometimes studies using rats, etc use dosing so large that to get an equivalent dose you'd have to drink (ie) 1/2 gallon of fish oil a day to expect the same result. (I'm not arguing here, just curious)
 
The Solution said:
I would say chronic would be an excessive dose but not 100% Sure. 2-3g of EPA/DHA should be plenty a day

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I think these studies sometimes take things to the extreme. I mean, if we,are going to be strict about it, we shouldn't take HV around a workout because it has the antioxidant vitamin C in it...
 
Wow! I just got my Blue Frost HV and guess what was in the package!?!

A SWEET PES T-SHIRT! Needless to say, that just made my day! Thanks, PES!!!
 
eddieaz said:
I think these studies sometimes take things to the extreme. I mean, if we,are going to be strict about it, we shouldn't take HV around a workout because it has the antioxidant vitamin C in it...
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The dose makes the difference. The vitamin C isn't dosed very high and is there for the effects it has with the nitrates.

While I also generally don't think people need to over stress certain things too much I still would avoid anti inflammatories and anti oxidants around the workout window as much as is easily feasible.

Also lucky you got a shirt. ;)
 
bolt10 said:
The dose makes the difference. The vitamin C isn't dosed very high and is there for the effects it has with the nitrates.

While I also generally don't think people need to over stress certain things too much I still would avoid anti inflammatories and anti oxidants around the workout window as much as is easily feasible.

Also lucky you got a shirt. ;)
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Agreed. Dosing anti inflammatory and antioxidant supplements away from training usually doesn't take much effort in most cases.
 
Got my shirt!
 
Yeah those shirts are sick. I just won one on insta :) btw happy Veterans Day to any vets out there. Thanks for your service. I know we have some itt.
 
Ca2pa said:
Did shirts come in all of them? I'll be pumped lol if I get a shirt with my blue frost :).
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I noticed when I ordered the insider said it would come with a free gift. I was thinking a cool sample or something, but the shirt rocks!
 
breezy11 said:
Agreed. Dosing anti inflammatory and antioxidant supplements away from training usually doesn't take much effort in most cases.
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Ok.so you guys have convinced me. So, how long should I wait after working out before taking a multi?
 
PES HV.....= INSANE
 

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eddieaz said:
Ok.so you guys have convinced me. So, how long should I wait after working out before taking a multi?
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Why not just dose it with breakfast or a meal that isn't near your workout?
 
bolt10 said:
The dose makes the difference. The vitamin C isn't dosed very high and is there for the effects it has with the nitrates.

While I also generally don't think people need to over stress certain things too much I still would avoid anti inflammatories and anti oxidants around the workout window as much as is easily feasible.

Also lucky you got a shirt. ;)
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So, taking my second (first is with breakfast) dose of multivitamin, fish oil and meriva curcumin with dinner (and about 2 hours before my workout) is a bad idea? Dang. Wish I'd known about this earlier. Live and learn.
 
kbayne said:
Why not just dose it with breakfast or a meal that isn't near your workout?
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I work out at 6am. So I'll take them at lunch and dinner. I just don't like taking b vitamins at dinner cuz they sometimes keep me up. I'll just pop a melatonin too.
 
Punisher187 said:
My invoice said free gift but no shirt was in the box?
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Did you get the blue frost flavor? I think that's the only flavor that got the shirt.
 
eddieaz said:
I work out at 6am. So I'll take them at lunch and dinner. I just don't like taking b vitamins at dinner cuz they sometimes keep me up. I'll just pop a melatonin too.
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Sleep is so much more important then this excessive worry about vitamins around your workout. Just take them all at lunch or even with breakfast. It's not gonna make any noticeable diff unless you're a top level athlete or bber.
 
booneman77 said:
Sleep is so much more important then this excessive worry about vitamins around your workout. Just take them all at lunch or even with breakfast. It's not gonna make any noticeable diff unless you're a top level athlete or bber.
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And the Lord knows I'm not that!
 
booneman77 said:
Sleep is so much more important then this excessive worry about vitamins around your workout. Just take them all at lunch or even with breakfast. It's not gonna make any noticeable diff unless you're a top level athlete or bber.
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A lot of small things add up to huge things boone
 
NattyForLife said:
A lot of small things add up to huge things boone
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I'll still take the later. I take orange triad, so I like to spread them out a bit so it doesn't seem like I'm pissing them all away.
 
NattyForLife said:
A lot of small things add up to huge things boone
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this is a ridiculous statement. If you think that dosing your vitamins around workouts is gonna make you stay small then you're majoring in the minors. Find me one person before prob 2000 that even had this info... Sure didn't seem to hurt any of them.
Food>rest>training> everything else.
 
Swolbraham said:
Love when I have a multi and my piss is bright yellow Bye bye nutrients
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haha I love this as well. It's exciting seeing the fun colors.

Opti men had me like chartreuse. It was almost scary. Ecto-piss
 
booneman77 said:
this is a ridiculous statement. If you think that dosing your vitamins around workouts is gonna make you stay small then you're majoring in the minors. Find me one person before prob 2000 that even had this info... Sure didn't seem to hurt any of them. Food>rest>training> everything else.
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Didn't say that gains will be completely lost, but dosing antioxidants around your workout has the potential for slowing your gains. Im not saying you will never gain muscle doing so, but im just saying it can slow gains. Look at ArA and fish oil; everybody knows the rule with that! It is the same concept. I
 
booneman77 said:
haha I love this as well. It's exciting seeing the fun colors.

Opti men had me like chartreuse. It was almost scary. Ecto-piss
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Ok. That'd be just scary. :scool:
 
Punisher187 said:
I sure did. But no shirt

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Man, that stinks. I'm bummed for you. I'd send you mind, but I've been sleeping with it and it has a little bit of drool...
 
eddieaz said:
I work out at 6am. So I'll take them at lunch and dinner. I just don't like taking b vitamins at dinner cuz they sometimes keep me up. I'll just pop a melatonin too.
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Thats what i do too.. Take my Multi with my afternoon/dinner meals
Just take a digestive Enzyme Post-workout with my pwo meal.
Train fasted in the AM crew checking in.
 


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Hammies are popping bob! Also you look the leaner than you were when you finished your cut a while back! How much you up in weight?
 
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