Quads_of_Stee
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5.50? My chicken is $2/lb thats crazy
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5.50? My chicken is $2/lb thats crazy
kissdadookie
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$2/lb still adds up by the end of the week. LoL.
Speaking of which, made and ate 10 tacos yesterday in 10 minutes. 1 lbs of ground round, 3/4 package of shredded cheese. Would have taken less time if I didn't have to put each taco together before eating it.
Fit1962
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Are you on ostarine now?
Quads_of_Stee
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I just don't get how it adds up unless you are eating way too much protein.
Saying 2$ adds up is the same as saying spending money adds up, thats just a truism
My food bill is 50-70$/week for 3000calories a day and 200g protein
Saying 2$ adds up is the same as saying spending money adds up, thats just a truism
My food bill is 50-70$/week for 3000calories a day and 200g protein
blacklac
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. Toss it all in a bowl and crush up the shells. Easy.kissdadookie
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Started last Friday I think. 24 mg split dosing AM/PM. Both with a dose of Anogenin. Can't say anything obvious has occurred yet.
Fit1962
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Can you give us your stats?
I would like to follow your results too.
blacklac
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kissdadookie
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Currently 182 on a good day. 180 on a bad day. 12ish % bodyfat? 5'8"
Don't know what my maxes are but I can squat 3+ reps with 315 (haven't pushed it in weeks, currently have a glute injury that also doubles as sciatica), Max I've deadlifted prior to injury was 365 for multiple sets of 3-5, barbell row 225+ (no idea, again glute injury is preventing me from going all out), db row j forget how much, I think I was doing 115 or 120 for sets of dead stop 12, db bench 100 for sets of 3-5 but I've switched over to bb bench, 215 for 3 or so on those, seated oh press 150 bb for I don't know how many, I know I can do sets of 8 with 75 on the db
kissdadookie
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Over a month now, it's just laxogenin. Don't recommend the stuff yet personally.
ELROCK
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I'm certain that the ostarine helped but it sounds like a lot of the gains were also from beginner gains, IMO you should have stayed natty for just a bit longer first
True dat!
booneman77
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Cant talk sources here but thats a hefty price.Lol! Sorry! I think I've got it!
I assume we can't talk vendors, but where would be the best place yet most inexpensive to get clomid and letro? I looked at a place like AG, but $100 for both? That fair?
Fit1962
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Any recommendations? Private message please
booneman77
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Thats still source talk bud.
Fit1962
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Sorry man, didn't realize that wasn't allowed
Kendal07
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I'm certain that the ostarine helped but it sounds like a lot of the gains were also from beginner gains, IMO you should have stayed natty for just a bit longer first
Actually I used it for healing my wrist injury first, and turned to a full blown cycle. I had a bad accident and I injuried my wist badly , so I could not lift for 3 months, ostarine healed my injury and gave me strength as well. I had lifted for 2 years prior to this injury.
kissdadookie
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What was you benching max before?
kissdadookie
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Before injury?
kissdadookie
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Increases estrogen. Estrogen is beneficial for connective tissue health.
Kendal07
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kissdadookie
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure your 50% gain has a lot of it coming from you essentially performing below your potential. There was undoubtedly some gains coming from the ostarine but in all honesty, most of it was not.
Just wanted to make that clarification there before people go reading something like that and assume that running ostarine for a few weeks will bump their bench up by 35 kg or in Yankees lingo, around 65 lbs.
booneman77
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A lot of gains that people see on a cycle are mental. You assume due to the roid boost that you can lift more and thus you push harder and poof! You can. People rarely push their true limits when they lift just due to the mental aspect of it. Your body doesn't want to fail so your mind usually prevents the physical failure by "psyching you out".
Kendal07
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I take your point mate
kissdadookie
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Yah know what I've noticed from using this stuff for a few days now (5th day today I guess?)? Vascularity.
kissdadookie
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Could be prolactin issues... One or the other, both possible with ostarine.
wicked442
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I thot about that too. No leaky nipples but that doesnt mean anything. I ran deca and tren without any probs.
kissdadookie
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booneman77
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Chitty genetics for ostarine I suppose
There seems to be a lot of that going around lately ha
McCrew530
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Oral is garbage compared to TD even TD is super mild but I noticed that it helped with my joints a lot
kissdadookie
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It's been like that. LoL. People are slowly realizing that the stuff is pretty much like a steroid and does come with some steroid sides.
At least it's refreshing to see less people tossing it in as part of their PCT. LoL. That was like the dumbest idea ever, to run it for PCT, completely counter productive to the goal of PCT.
Grayson
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Yup. I'm digging the angeogensis. I've got a permanent horizontal vein on both arms.
Just you wait. It gets better
blacklac
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Are there any studies above 3mg?
This was just the first one I saw, but some of the data was interesting. 1 & 3mg doses.
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If 3mg makes a noteworthy impact on lipids, blood glucose and liver enzymes, makes me wonder about doses we take. It may not be such a mild compound at 20-30mg after all...
It also shows, both 1mg & 3mg lowered total testosterone.
This was just the first one I saw, but some of the data was interesting. 1 & 3mg doses.
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If 3mg makes a noteworthy impact on lipids, blood glucose and liver enzymes, makes me wonder about doses we take. It may not be such a mild compound at 20-30mg after all...
It also shows, both 1mg & 3mg lowered total testosterone.
Spaniard
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There are opinions for everything. Yours doesn't make it right. There is a very large majority of people that have used it with phenomenal results translating to no strength or mass lost.
kissdadookie
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Uh huh. How about blood tests to show recovery from suppression after a cycle?
The purpose of PCT last time I checked mainly was to get your HPTA back in order, so please explain how taking something androgenic and has been demonstrated to cause suppression in any way shape or form make sense to use as part of ones PCT? Using it as part of your PCT is essentially extending your cycle.
Spaniard
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Uh huh? I'd appreciate if you drop the demeanor with which you address me. You seem to think that projecting some sort of image of superiority automatically makes you correct on any and all matters. This is false. If you maintain certain opinions, that's great but that in no way makes you an authority that renders other people's opinions false.
I'm not getting into paragraph wars with you, so I'm just going to include specific points.
PCT is specifically for maintaining the results from the cycle and to rebound. Ostarine does this very effectively. Yes, it is slightly suppressive but even if it suppresses you say 200 ng/dl for some that may be worth the risk of maintaining their hard earned results. You WILL also rebound from this suppression regardless.There is a very small fraction of people that never rebound, even with years of TRT, which includes as you know long term use of an exogenous hormone.
The main overarching reason that PCT was ever incorporated was to restore hormone levels specifically to maintain the results and not feel like ****, which would be an indicator of low levels with clinical significance. Without PCT, while not recommended, you will rebound (except in rare cases), that's just how the body works.
Blood levels, your main reasoning behind not using Ostarine are only part of the total equation. They are not the end all be all of hormones which is seen in the clinical setting. If someone has 200 - 300 ng/dl worth of suppression and is not symptomatic the labs aren't the total indicator of recovery. Yes, you would ultimately want to restore them to precycle levels prior to getting on another but this will happen.
Ostarine helps avoid the yo-yo effect that a large amount of hormone users are accustomed to. They put on 20, they keep 5, then, they automatically rush to another cycle. Whereas with the use of Ostarine they can avoid these losses, maintain their results, and still fully rebound after Ostarine cessation.
Please stop going around and saying that what some people are having great results with is dumb. Just because you don't think it's a good strategy does not make these people dumb nor does it make the Ostarine PCT protocol dumb. That is your opinion nothing more
kissdadookie
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Your wall of text there still did not answer the simple question I posed. I posed a simple question and you've posted a wall of text in which provided everything other than the answer to the simple question I posed.
This is pretty cut and dry. Does ostarine pose the risk of suppression? Highly likely. So for PCT, one should not use it as that is literally extending the cycle.
Again, even BSL no longer pushes the PCT IV product as a PCT product. That's a big name in the industry for hormonals, they literally have a product that is called PCT IV which they actually have started advising people NOT to use for PCT because it's mainly an ostarine product. BSL nutted up and are giving their customers and potential customers solid advice after better understanding of ostarine emerged. There's no shame in properly marketing a product/ingredient. You seem to be stuck on whatever your ad-copy for ostar1ne states rather than use some common sense as well as taking into account emerging data/info on the stuff.
Look at the data for 1-3 mg daily dosing as in the study. It did demonstrate some suppression and did affect health markers. That's at 1-3 mg. We are using SEVERAL times that amount. Common sense man. Why are you so intent on pushing ostar1ne as a PCT product when it is so very very very ill suited for such purpose. As a bridge, it's good. As an extra androgen to stack in a cycle, it's good. Single thing to run a cycle of, it's good. PCT, bad idea. People can of course attempt to use it during PCT but that is going to be counter productive based on what the stuff is and what the stuff does.
You can argue how people have had great results and blah blah blah, but bloodwork at the end of the day is what counts.
As for recovery from an ostarine cycle, lol, again, lots and lots of anecdotes yet very very very little in terms of bloodwork to back up the claims. How do you know they recovered? Majority of people still go around and say how they don't "feel" suppressed or saying that they "feel" recovered. That means next to nothing.
Also, I can't emphasize this enough, suppression is not necessarily something you can feel. If that was the case, we wouldn't end up with data showing how people are still suppressed 6-12+ months post cessation of AAS use. The whole idea of "you use PCT to get your hormones back in line so you don't feel like crap" is some serious broscience that gets passed around. Bloodwork, plain and simple.
kissdadookie
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Have letro and nolva on hand, likely will not need it. Clomid PCT. Simple 50/50/50/50 and then 25 EOD for 2 more weeks after that, maybe longer (use it as a test booster of sorts).
blacklac
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Surprised your not adding something for free test or a mild AI (OTC) after a few weeks of Clomid.
Spaniard
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Your reading comprehension must be down today. I answered everyone of your questions.
In regards to suppression:
"PCT is specifically for maintaining the results from the cycle and to rebound. Ostarine does this very effectively. Yes, it is slightly suppressive but even if it suppresses you say 200 ng/dl for some that may be worth the risk of maintaining their hard earned results. You WILL also rebound from this suppression regardless.There is a very small fraction of people that never rebound, even with years of TRT, which includes as you know long term use of an exogenous hormone. "
In regards to your safe haven of blood results:
"Blood levels, your main reasoning behind not using Ostarine are only part of the total equation. They are not the end all be all of hormones which is seen in the clinical setting. If someone has 200 - 300 ng/dl worth of suppression and is not symptomatic the labs aren't the total indicator of recovery. Yes, you would ultimately want to restore them to precycle levels prior to getting on another but this will happen."
To reiterate, blood levels are merely a part of the total equation. Symptoms supersede blood levels. If someone gets the slight suppression seen from Ostarine and they don't notice it, then Ostarine is a very effective means of accomplishing the main goal of PCT incorporation, which is to maintain results. The hoped increases for hormone normalization is to aid in keeping the results and to not feel terrible after the cycle. Therefore, if they have somewhat lowered levels without the ill effects of lowered hormone levels it has done its job. Once PCT is discontinued any minor suppression will rebound on its own. Again, this is how the body works.
"BSL does this" and...? Your point? Properly market our "ad-copy?" Your biases are oozing through in every post you post in regards to OL. Your allegiance to BSL is well noted, which also makes you posting from a vengeful standpoint very evident, so after this post we're done here. I'm not going to argue with someone that has very clear intentions. BSL's choice of operating has zero to do with me or my opinions unlike you. You read what your favorite company writes and absorb it as fact, which again is apparent. I am not talking about OSTAR1NE, I am talking about ostarine, all ostarine.
Using it as a bridge is the worst idea ever. You are lengthening the total amount of time that you are suppressed instead of getting in and getting out. Standalone and PCT is where it shines.
I have looked at the data, which is an indicator of suppression. For this reason, I have never once recommended that someone use high doses of Ostarine in PCT. Goal for this is to use something with lower suppression to aid in the retention of results.
You said: "You can argue how people have had great results and blah blah blah, but bloodwork at the end of the day is what counts." You fail to grasp how hormones actually work and you're going off of what you have read on forums and your favorite company's write up.
Clinically significant suppression IS something you can feel, which again you have zero idea what you are talking about, plain and simple. If someone has blood levels (your holy grail of indicators) of 300 ng/dl and they are not symptomatic it is not clinically relevant and they will rebound with or without PCT (again I'm not recommending no PCT). If they have low levels and they are experiencing symptoms it becomes a problem. It is the total equation of blood results and signs and symptoms. Blood levels are not the end all be all of recovery. It is not bloodwork plain and simple, you are profoundly unaware of what you are talking about. I'm not speaking from a point of broscience, I'm talking about all of this from a clinical perspective. You are talking about it from what you have read on your computer or from BSL or on forums. The only one discussing broscience is you, bro
Like I said before, I'm done. If you want to get some real working knowledge you should go do some rotations in a hormone clinic.
In regards to suppression:
"PCT is specifically for maintaining the results from the cycle and to rebound. Ostarine does this very effectively. Yes, it is slightly suppressive but even if it suppresses you say 200 ng/dl for some that may be worth the risk of maintaining their hard earned results. You WILL also rebound from this suppression regardless.There is a very small fraction of people that never rebound, even with years of TRT, which includes as you know long term use of an exogenous hormone. "
In regards to your safe haven of blood results:
"Blood levels, your main reasoning behind not using Ostarine are only part of the total equation. They are not the end all be all of hormones which is seen in the clinical setting. If someone has 200 - 300 ng/dl worth of suppression and is not symptomatic the labs aren't the total indicator of recovery. Yes, you would ultimately want to restore them to precycle levels prior to getting on another but this will happen."
To reiterate, blood levels are merely a part of the total equation. Symptoms supersede blood levels. If someone gets the slight suppression seen from Ostarine and they don't notice it, then Ostarine is a very effective means of accomplishing the main goal of PCT incorporation, which is to maintain results. The hoped increases for hormone normalization is to aid in keeping the results and to not feel terrible after the cycle. Therefore, if they have somewhat lowered levels without the ill effects of lowered hormone levels it has done its job. Once PCT is discontinued any minor suppression will rebound on its own. Again, this is how the body works.
"BSL does this" and...? Your point? Properly market our "ad-copy?" Your biases are oozing through in every post you post in regards to OL. Your allegiance to BSL is well noted, which also makes you posting from a vengeful standpoint very evident, so after this post we're done here. I'm not going to argue with someone that has very clear intentions. BSL's choice of operating has zero to do with me or my opinions unlike you. You read what your favorite company writes and absorb it as fact, which again is apparent. I am not talking about OSTAR1NE, I am talking about ostarine, all ostarine.
Using it as a bridge is the worst idea ever. You are lengthening the total amount of time that you are suppressed instead of getting in and getting out. Standalone and PCT is where it shines.
I have looked at the data, which is an indicator of suppression. For this reason, I have never once recommended that someone use high doses of Ostarine in PCT. Goal for this is to use something with lower suppression to aid in the retention of results.
You said: "You can argue how people have had great results and blah blah blah, but bloodwork at the end of the day is what counts." You fail to grasp how hormones actually work and you're going off of what you have read on forums and your favorite company's write up.
Clinically significant suppression IS something you can feel, which again you have zero idea what you are talking about, plain and simple. If someone has blood levels (your holy grail of indicators) of 300 ng/dl and they are not symptomatic it is not clinically relevant and they will rebound with or without PCT (again I'm not recommending no PCT). If they have low levels and they are experiencing symptoms it becomes a problem. It is the total equation of blood results and signs and symptoms. Blood levels are not the end all be all of recovery. It is not bloodwork plain and simple, you are profoundly unaware of what you are talking about. I'm not speaking from a point of broscience, I'm talking about all of this from a clinical perspective. You are talking about it from what you have read on your computer or from BSL or on forums. The only one discussing broscience is you, bro
Like I said before, I'm done. If you want to get some real working knowledge you should go do some rotations in a hormone clinic.
kissdadookie
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So, where's the bloodwork to prove recovery from suppression or no suppression? Simple question you have yet again avoided answering like the plague.
Also, as a bridge is a bad idea but pct is a good idea in terms of uses for ostarine? BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
kissdadookie
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Why? Clomid both recovers HPTA balance very well as well as being able to boost test levels a bit as well. The same really can't be said about OTC test boosters IMO.