Ostarine/Andarine/Cardarine/Triumph/X1-KT/Dermacrine cycle

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Ok, before anybody gets all silly here, I am not planning on runnng all of these compounds at the same time. I simply ran out of space in the 'thread title box' and therefore could not add the "s" at the end. ;)

My plan was to run an A) Ostarine/Andarine/Cardarine re-comp (focusing heavily on fat loss), before beginning a B) Triumph and X1-KT or Dermacrine re-comp (focusing on hypertrophy). Well, sourcing for the Cardarine/Andarine in my country (non US resident) is difficult and cost-prohibitive so I am now considering what I can run alongside Ostarine, that will compliment it and be somewhat similar in ability to help shed fat stores and maintain LBM. I am still exploring my options but I am leaning towards going the OTC supplement route. So, here is my current plan....

A)

- OL Ostar1ine @ 7 weeks (20mg wk. 1, followed by 25mg @ 6 weeks).
- I will be running TransForm along side the Osta at 50 or 100mg ed

My questions on A) are:

1) Would it be wise to stack X1-KT with this Ostar1ne/TransFrom cycle? My only concern would be competition for the androgen receptor. I have seen a bunch of threads where these compounds have been run successively or with over-lapping time periods but never concurrently. Specific thoughts on receptor competition?

2) My plan is to run OL TransForm @ either 50 or 100 mg ED for E control and keeping lean. Is it worth it to go up to 200mg ED to gain the more anabolic effects of this compound? Again, I wonder about androgen receptor competition and the synergism/antagonism of these compounds. Thoughts?


B)

After the above cycle I want to jump into a re-comp/lean bulk with Tr1umph as my base. Depending on what I decide for the 1st cycle, I will add X1-KT or Dermacrine to this cycle. Lean mass will definitely be the goal here. The second cycle might look like this...

- Tr1umph @ 40/40/60 for the remainder (30 days)
- X1-KT @ 1.5ml for 45 days or Dermacrine for 46 days @ 5pumps ED

I am leaning towards X1-KT as I'm not yet convinced on DHEA and my need for it. :) We'll see. I have also read about a positive synergy between 11 Keto and other anabolics.

My questions for B) and overall are:

1) Are there any other suggestions about what I could stack with Tr1umph? Something more anabolic maybe? I would like for this second compound to be somewhat mild and mild on the hairline. I am found of the 4-chloro's for this reason.

2) Should I take a break between the two cycles or can I run them successively? If I take a break, my PCT after the 1st Cycle would be Nolva @ 10/10/5, along with DAA for 12 days. A full PCT of 20/20/10/10 w/ and AI and DAA would be used if ran without a break. Other boosters and cort control would be in the mix as well.

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Mid 30's / 6' 0.5" / currently 194 lbs / 11-13 % BF / mix of volume and strength training / 4-5 day lifting cycle / I love my treadmill :]

I have some of the supplements, some are awaiting delivery and others will be ordered in the coming days based upon feedback and recommendations here.

Sorry for the long post. Personal experience and scientific insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for the feedback!!
 
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I feel like falling asleep on my keyboard so I will help out more in the morning. You want to run something more mild on the hair line than triumph? From what I remember it is already has a really low androgenic level of 20, on paper. You already have bps dermacrine, from what I read so if you want something milder than triumph, go Hexadrone. It has the lowest androgenic activity I have seen.
 
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I feel like falling asleep on my keyboard so I will help out more in the morning. You want to run something more mild on the hair line than triumph? From what I remember it is already has a really low androgenic level of 20, on paper. You already have bps dermacrine, from what I read so if you want something milder than triumph, go Hexadrone. It has the lowest androgenic activity I have seen.
I did write a lot. I am looking to stack something with Triumph for the 2nd cycle. I chose Triumph based upon it's a:a ratio and anecdotal reports of mildness. I am considering X1-KT and Dermacrine to go along with it, however I am open to suggestions. Maybe something more anabolic.....

I hadn't considered Hexadrone. I will do some reading on the compound. Thanks.
 
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I did write a lot. I am looking to stack something with Triumph for the 2nd cycle. I chose Triumph based upon it's a:a ratio and anecdotal reports of mildness. I am considering X1-KT and Dermacrine to go along with it, however I am open to suggestions. Maybe something more anabolic.....
Yeah reading all of that tired me even more so I picked the simplest question. Triumph has one of the best ratio of androgenic to anabolic, on the legal market, IMO. If you want something more anabolic it will most certainly be more androgenic, more chance of hair loss, on paper that is. That is why I mentioned Hexadrone. If you want something more anabolic that triumph look up legio x by iron legion.
 
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I am currently using X1 KT with Ostarine. Added it at around the 4th week of Osta. Seems to have accelerated the fat loss and leaning out. I'm a fan of the combination and may run them together again in the future, except starting them at the same time and 2 bottles of the X1 KT.
 
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I am currently using X1 KT with Ostarine. Added it at around the 4th week of Osta. Seems to have accelerated the fat loss and leaning out. I'm a fan of the combination and may run them together again in the future, except starting them at the same time and 2 bottles of the X1 KT.
Thanks for your response. I was actually following your posts about overlapping the two compounds. It's nice to see you noticed some accelerated fat loss. I wonder if Osta, 11-kt and TransForm would be too much. I do have joint issues but have been taking supps for years to combat that. Maybe the Osta willl offset the potential joint issues caused by the lowered cort and estro from the other two compounds.

I may throw some L-carnitine (for AR) into the mix as well. Maybe for both runs or just on the second phase.

Anyway, please keep the answers coming.
 
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Run XIKT during your recomp.
Triumph along with dermacrine.

Good to go.
 
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Bumping this up for some more feedback.

In regards to question A-1, I think I will run them together and see for myself...
In regards to question A-2, I will just keep the TransForm @ 50-100 ED. Should be more than enough for my goals.

Still looking for some feedback on questions B-1 and B-2....

Thanks.
 
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Run XIKT during your recomp.
Triumph along with dermacrine.

Good to go.
Thanks. Didn't see your response until after I posted. Looking like I will do just that, Ostarine and 11-keto. Although, still undecided on the second compound to run with Triumph.
 
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I didn't catch the second part of your question. I am running my Ostar1ne / Ep1c / X1 KT 6 week cycle, directly into a 6 week DMZ / Dermacrine cycle which starts Saturday. Obviously with a legit full PCT following. But the answer is yes, it can be done if you are prepared with a proper PCT. There is suppression with Osta depending on how high you dose it. But as far as other side effects and toxicity there is little to none, so it can be used as a bridge in this fashion.
 
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That's also assuming you have some experience and this isn't your first, or even second cycle. If it is, then no, not a good idea.
 
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I didn't catch the second part of your question. I am running my Ostar1ne / Ep1c / X1 KT 6 week cycle, directly into a 6 week DMZ / Dermacrine cycle which starts Saturday. Obviously with a legit full PCT following. But the answer is yes, it can be done if you are prepared with a proper PCT. There is suppression with Osta depending on how high you dose it. But as far as other side effects and toxicity there is little to none, so it can be used as a bridge in this fashion.
I've read some of your log. I need to read all of it from start to finish. Looks like you've enjoyed your run.

As far as Ostarine and the others, I've done a considerable amount of research on them and will continue to do so. I never enter into anything lightly. I'm just not built that way.

That's also assuming you have some experience and this isn't your first, or even second cycle. If it is, then no, not a good idea.
Not my first or second cycle. Although, The Ostarine/11 Keto "cycle" and the Triumph cycle would be my second and third in recent times. I ran Halo back in July/August. I've also cycled Bold before, as well as having dabbled in the original Andro's...many years ago.

No matter what I decide now, I wouldn't hesitate to adjust things down the road as I see fit. I have no problem with taking a break and doing a mini PCT and then couple week wait after the Osta. I'll see how I feel.

Appreciate the feedback!
 
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Thanks. Didn't see your response until after I posted. Looking like I will do just that, Ostarine and 11-keto. Although, still undecided on the second compound to run with Triumph.
Keep it simple. Let each compound do its thing in synergistic fashion rather than competing for the same ground.

Dermacrine with Triumph is a good idea. Should elevate any lethargy etc. in case you get it.
 

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