Ostarine Questions

kissdadookie said:
Pretty much. AI also just in case you run into estro issues on-cycle. Get all your supplies in place before you start your cycle. Definitely get your bloodwork done (new bloodwork, before cycle), post, and after PCT to make sure you are not walking around assuming you have fully recovered when in fact you are notably below your original baseline.



Yup. So AI only if you start exhibiting too much bloating or gyno symptoms, etc.
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And will the body not recover on it's own if somewhat suppressed even after clomid?
 
Fit1962 said:
And will the body not recover on it's own if somewhat suppressed even after clomid?
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Probably, but that's stupid. If you're suppressed enough (thus bloodwork right before cycle, post cycle, and post PCT), you should use a proper PCT to recover from it so that you don't end up 1 step forward 2 steps back.

Think of it this way. You are currently in the mindset of being all in on jumping on ostarine (it's pretty obvious at this point) and it's highly unlikely anybody can convince you otherwise. If you are all ready to go on an 8-week journey of what is essentially an experimental drug that acts a lot like a steroid except it's not technically a steroid, why are you kind of reluctant on using a SERM?

Clomid is: good for fertility in men and actually can boost your testosterone levels along with helping getting your HPTA back online
 
kissdadookie said:
Probably, but that's stupid. If you're suppressed enough (thus bloodwork right before cycle, post cycle, and post PCT), you should use a proper PCT to recover from it so that you don't end up 1 step forward 2 steps back.

Think of it this way. You are currently in the mindset of being all in on jumping on ostarine (it's pretty obvious at this point) and it's highly unlikely anybody can convince you otherwise. If you are all ready to go on an 8-week journey of what is essentially an experimental drug that acts a lot like a steroid except it's not technically a steroid, why are you kind of reluctant on using a SERM?

Clomid is: good for fertility in men and actually can boost your testosterone levels along with helping getting your HPTA back online
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Honestly it's the expense of the DR visits. I have no copay and blood work runs over $200 each time.

And actually I am open to advise. If it's not something I should do, I'm willing to listen for sure.
 
Fit1962 said:
Honestly it's the expense of the DR visits. I have no copay and blood work runs over $200 each time.

And actually I am open to advise. If it's not something I should do, I'm willing to listen for sure.
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They have them for cheap on the forums here. Blood tests that is.
 
Fit1962 said:
Honestly it's the expense of the DR visits. I have no copay and blood work runs over $200 each time.

And actually I am open to advise. If it's not something I should do, I'm willing to listen for sure.
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Most likely it's not going to do something terribly bad to you, but depending on the individual, it could suppress you for an unknown amount of time. It's also not something you would necessarily feel (being suppressed) so you could be walking around missing a good fraction of your original t output and not even notice. That is a risk you need to figure out yourself. Is a short 8 weeks of very modest gains worth the risk in which you don't have or want to spend funds on making sure that all risk is minimized/corrected as much as possible?
 
kissdadookie said:
Most likely it's not going to do something terribly bad to you, but depending on the individual, it could suppress you for an unknown amount of time. It's also not something you would necessarily feel (being suppressed) so you could be walking around missing a good fraction of your original t output and not even notice. That is a risk you need to figure out yourself. Is a short 8 weeks of very modest gains worth the risk in which you don't have or want to spend funds on making sure that all risk is minimized/corrected as much as possible?
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Ok good advise man! Thank you
 
Fit1962 said:
Ok good advise man! Thank you
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Also follow moderation.

Your body is dependent on homeostasis. So, do osta for 6-8 weeks, pct for another 3-4, then don't touch another hormonal product for at least 6 weeks (just to be safe even though osta doesn't follow the time off = time on + pct rule).

You can recover properly and if anything a SERM might give you a boost.

Then again at 52, I'd just do test, but that's just me and I'm half your age so I'm probably just talking out of my ass.
 
The Engineer said:
Also follow moderation.

Your body is dependent on homeostasis. So, do osta for 6-8 weeks, pct for another 3-4, then don't touch another hormonal product for at least 6 weeks (just to be safe even though osta doesn't follow the time off = time on + pct rule).

You can recover properly and if anything a SERM might give you a boost.

Then again at 52, I'd just do test, but that's just me and I'm half your age so I'm probably just talking out of my ass.
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Nah, I'd do test too at that age.
 
The Engineer said:
Also follow moderation.

Your body is dependent on homeostasis. So, do osta for 6-8 weeks, pct for another 3-4, then don't touch another hormonal product for at least 6 weeks (just to be safe even though osta doesn't follow the time off = time on + pct rule).

You can recover properly and if anything a SERM might give you a boost.

Then again at 52, I'd just do test, but that's just me and I'm half your age so I'm probably just talking out of my ass.
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I personally think that it's safer, easier, and likely more effective for the OP to look in HRT.
 
Just finished 7 week cycle. Did 15 mgs for 6 of the weeks and 30 for 1 week. Also took a DAA supplement with it.

Absolutely loved, joint pain was diminished, put on 10 lbs, actually ate a little cleaner and increased protein. Lifts also went up nicely a well. My only issue was longer DOM's due to me lifting more weight....but is this a bad thing?

All my research has led me to believe that most of my gains will be kept....if this is true...then wow....this is a miracle supplement.
 
kissdadookie said:
I personally think that it's safer, easier, and likely more effective for the OP to look in HRT.
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My problem with HRT is I'm not really interested in a long term use. My understanding of HRT is once I'm on I'm on. And if I stop, I more than likely will lose most of the gains. Ostarine interested me because gaining 2-5 lbs of lean mass would be a perfect addition which I could do one time and then most likely keeps those gains. I'm not looking to do multiple cycles. Thoughts?
 
double s said:
Just finished 7 week cycle. Did 15 mgs for 6 of the weeks and 30 for 1 week. Also took a DAA supplement with it.

Absolutely loved, joint pain was diminished, put on 10 lbs, actually ate a little cleaner and increased protein. Lifts also went up nicely a well. My only issue was longer DOM's due to me lifting more weight....but is this a bad thing?

All my research has led me to believe that most of my gains will be kept....if this is true...then wow....this is a miracle supplement.
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Sounds like you had a great run! I wish I kept all my strength but it did drop a little.
 
Fit1962 said:
My problem with HRT is I'm not really interested in a long term use. My understanding of HRT is once I'm on I'm on. And if I stop, I more than likely will lose most of the gains. Ostarine interested me because gaining 2-5 lbs of lean mass would be a perfect addition which I could do one time and then most likely keeps those gains. I'm not looking to do multiple cycles. Thoughts?
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"keeping" any gains will not happen without continual progression and consistency in training endeavors..
there is no product that will just add "gainz" to you, permanently, miraculously, magically
doesn't work like that, tho I do know ppl are always trying to find it anyway..
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
"keeping" any gains will not happen without continual progression and consistency in training endeavors..
there is no product that will just add "gainz" to you, permanently, miraculously, magically
doesn't work like that, tho I do know ppl are always trying to find it anyway..
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Yes, sorry dont get me wrong, I'm not looking at gaining and then just sitting on my ass. But from what I know about anabolic steroids is if you stop using test, your body will lose most of the gains brought about by the extra test that you did have, no matter how hard you continue to workout. I would just like to add a few pounds of lean mass, and keep them and still continue to workout as I have for 30 years.
 
Fit1962 said:
Yes, sorry dont get me wrong, I'm not looking at gaining and then just sitting on my ass. But from what I know about anabolic steroids is if you stop using test, your body will lose most of the gains brought about by the extra test that you did have, no matter how hard you continue to workout. I would just like to add a few pounds of lean mass, and keep them and still continue to workout as I have for 30 years.
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That's a misconception that most people don't know.

Yes you lose weight, and that's a lot of water.

All hormones make you hold some amount of water.

Then you lose that really high nitrogen balance and you appear to lose muscle (but you never had it).

Only through time, continual training, and consistent diet will you solidify your gainz.

That's why PCT is important.
 
Fit1962 said:
Yes, sorry dont get me wrong, I'm not looking at gaining and then just sitting on my ass. But from what I know about anabolic steroids is if you stop using test, your body will lose most of the gains brought about by the extra test that you did have, no matter how hard you continue to workout. I would just like to add a few pounds of lean mass, and keep them and still continue to workout as I have for 30 years.
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Tbh, if your test is truly 800 and you only weight what you weight, I would seriously look into adjusting diet and training. You most likely are far from reaching the point where gains are coming as slowly as you think they are. Training and diet is likely the culprit and must be looked at objectively not subjectively. Also throw that "athletic build" notion out the window. It should be the mentality of growth, that's it. Not lean bulking, slow bulking, controlled bulk, etc. The goal is for growth and nothing else.
 
kissdadookie said:
Tbh, if your test is truly 800 and you only weight what you weight, I would seriously look into adjusting diet and training. You most likely are far from reaching the point where gains are coming as slowly as you think they are. Training and diet is likely the culprit and must be looked at objectively not subjectively. Also throw that "athletic build" notion out the window. It should be the mentality of growth, that's it. Not lean bulking, slow bulking, controlled bulk, etc. The goal is for growth and nothing else.
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Read the first part of your comment and agreed...

OP if your truly at 800 (which is amazing for your age in my opinion) then you truly need to look at diet and training.
 
Would ostarine and diabolix be a good stack?

Thinking about 4 weeks at 30mg diabolix with osta ran at 20mg for 1st 4 weeks with added 2 weeks alone withouth diabolix to make it a 6 week run

Thoughts?
 
Tagger said:
Read the first part of your comment and agreed...

OP if your truly at 800 (which is amazing for your age in my opinion) then you truly need to look at diet and training.
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Here is my photo from two months ago on my 52nd birthday. I dont have enough comments to post links so type the (http) before.
://m.imgur.com/EHalBMX
 
Fit1962 said:
Here is my photo from two months ago on my 52nd birthday. I dont have enough comments to post links so type the (http) before.
://m.imgur.com/EHalBMX
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I'll have to look at it when I get on my computer.

I didn't read the whole post he made but if it's still naturally high, you should be able to keep making gainz.
 
Fit1962 said:
Here is my photo from two months ago on my 52nd birthday. I dont have enough comments to post links so type the (http) before.
://m.imgur.com/EHalBMX
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Well, you can throw me into the "damn, I hope I'm looking that good in my 50s" bucket. Bravo on attaining and keeping the physique you have now, even if you want more.
 
kissdadookie said:
Tbh, if your test is truly 800 and you only weight what you weight, I would seriously look into adjusting diet and training. You most likely are far from reaching the point where gains are coming as slowly as you think they are. Training and diet is likely the culprit and must be looked at objectively not subjectively. Also throw that "athletic build" notion out the window. It should be the mentality of growth, that's it. Not lean bulking, slow bulking, controlled bulk, etc. The goal is for growth and nothing else.
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I think I hit enough comments to post a link so here's my photo from August my 52nd birthday.

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Fit1962 said:
I think I hit enough comments to post a link so here's my photo from August my 52nd birthday.

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Looking good, you can definitely pack on more with a change in diet and training though, just IMO ;)

You're in phenomenal shape though @ 52. Good job!
 
kissdadookie said:
Looking good, you can definitely pack on more with a change in diet and training though, just IMO ;)

You're in phenomenal shape though @ 52. Good job!
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Thank you!! I was just thinking 2-5lbs of Lbm would make a good addition and everyone seemed to be saying ostarine was doing that fairly quickly. That's why I was considering it to begin with.
I'll definitely consider all you've said thanks again!
 
Fit1962 said:
Thank you!! I was just thinking 2-5lbs of Lbm would make a good addition and everyone seemed to be saying ostarine was doing that fairly quickly. That's why I was considering it to begin with.
I'll definitely consider all you've said thanks again!
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You'll make gains with the ostarine at the doses you are looking at, but why dip your toes into that water when you have so much natty headroom to play with? :D
 
Fit1962 said:
I think I hit enough comments to post a link so here's my photo from August my 52nd birthday.

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you look like a fitter, more athletic version of Mr. Rogers (added soul patch of course).. :p
really tho, great job staying on top of your physique...
if you wish to add couple more lbs, simply up the cals appropriately and go from there
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
you look like a fitter, more athletic version of Mr. Rogers (added soul patch of course).. :p
really tho, great job staying on top of your physique...
if you wish to add couple more lbs, simply up the cals appropriately and go from there
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Lol thanks just with the cardigan huh!!
Yes I will try upping calories over the next few months with winter coming on.
 
Fit1962 said:
Lol thanks just with the cardigan huh!!
Yes I will try upping calories over the next few months with winter coming on.
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And if you really want to run a cycle do it man.

Trying to let you know that diet and training could help you gain even more.

I think everyone should run atleast one cycle because, psychologically, it's amazing. Haha.
 
Tagger said:
And if you really want to run a cycle do it man.

Trying to let you know that diet and training could help you gain even more.

I think everyone should run atleast one cycle because, psychologically, it's amazing. Haha.
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I guess I'm missing out! I need to take a dip one day for experience sake. 40 is my target. Lol
 
Alright so I've been on Osta for exactly 2 weeks today. Dosing is 20mg every morning. I've only seen one other person report that it made them feel tired.. but it has definitely made me feel extremely lethargic. All I feel like I want to do is sleep. What's the deal here? Can I stack anything with it to help combat this? I have DAA and a bottle of AlphaMax that I was saving for after the cycle but I am thinking of starting the AlphaMax now.
 
cjdesmit said:
Alright so I've been on Osta for exactly 2 weeks today. Dosing is 20mg every morning. I've only seen one other person report that it made them feel tired.. but it has definitely made me feel extremely lethargic. All I feel like I want to do is sleep. What's the deal here? Can I stack anything with it to help combat this? I have DAA and a bottle of AlphaMax that I was saving for after the cycle but I am thinking of starting the AlphaMax now.
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Personally DAA makes me lethargic ad generally feel like ass so I wouldn't go that route. Alphamax I can't really see helping with energy in that regard either as it may just lower estro and make things worse. Maybe try something like dermacrine that people use as a "test base".
 
Thanks for the quick response. I was under the impression the cause of the lethargy was due to increased estro from the Osta, so wouldn't AlphaMax help in that regard.. or is this not the case? If not, what else could be causing me to feel like this?

Thanks.
 
cjdesmit said:
Thanks for the quick response. I was under the impression the cause of the lethargy was due to increased estro from the Osta, so wouldn't AlphaMax help in that regard.. or is this not the case? If not, what else could be causing me to feel like this?

Thanks.
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It might just be you. It hits everyone differently.

I feel completely normal on it.
 
cjdesmit said:
Thanks for the quick response. I was under the impression the cause of the lethargy was due to increased estro from the Osta, so wouldn't AlphaMax help in that regard.. or is this not the case? If not, what else could be causing me to feel like this?

Thanks.
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Typically during cycles, lack of estrogen is what causes lethargy, thus if you are running compounds that does not aromatize, it would be wise to include something that can aromatize so that you have some estrogen in your system. That and sometimes toxicity can make you feel like chit.
 
cjdesmit said:
Thanks for the quick response. I was under the impression the cause of the lethargy was due to increased estro from the Osta, so wouldn't AlphaMax help in that regard.. or is this not the case? If not, what else could be causing me to feel like this? Thanks.
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It's possible but the estro changes should be almost negligible. I'd find it hard to believe elevated estro is causing lethargy.
 
Frankly it could be any number of things causing lethargy. Diet and training among them. What all have you changed since starting osta?
 
cjdesmit said:
Alright so I've been on Osta for exactly 2 weeks today. Dosing is 20mg every morning. I've only seen one other person report that it made them feel tired.. but it has definitely made me feel extremely lethargic. All I feel like I want to do is sleep. What's the deal here? Can I stack anything with it to help combat this? I have DAA and a bottle of AlphaMax that I was saving for after the cycle but I am thinking of starting the AlphaMax now.
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It's rare but I felt it on week 5-6 I think. I dropped from 20mg down to 10mg for two days. Then I bumped it at 15mg for weeks 6-7. I had the strength still and didn't have that lethargic feeling.

Try doing 10mg for a few days, see how it affects you.
 
booneman77 said:
It's possible but the estro changes should be almost negligible. I'd find it hard to believe elevated estro is causing lethargy.
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This too.

SARMS are not supposed to have that kind of effect.

Are you really sleeping well OP?
 
I've not changed anything in regards to my diet or training since starting Osta. The lethargy promptly started just a couple days after beginning the cycle, and before that I was feeling great. I'd like to think it's not the Osta causing me to feel like garbage as I was really stoked to start the cycle but at this point I'm unsure of what else it could be? Perhaps it's just the gloomy onset of Fall? Hah..
 
On osta, I'm only tired the day after deadlifts.

It could just be your system trying to accept it/reject it. Then again, it's not that toxic, but it is a foreign substance.

Go one more week, and if you're still feeling crappy, junk it. It's not worth doing a cycle of you're always tired.

I did that with 11kt and just ended up hating it.
 
cjdesmit said:
I've not changed anything in regards to my diet or training since starting Osta. The lethargy promptly started just a couple days after beginning the cycle, and before that I was feeling great. I'd like to think it's not the Osta causing me to feel like garbage as I was really stoked to start the cycle but at this point I'm unsure of what else it could be? Perhaps it's just the gloomy onset of Fall? Hah..
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It could simply be that your body is using your calories and training more effectively and therefore you're actually depleted. You may not notice bit going a little harder in the gym (thanks to osta), burning a few more cals (also osta), and eating the same as pre cycle could be a significant negative leading to your lack of energy. Maybe try bumping cals up a bit and see if your recovery and overall feel improves
 
I did notice longer DOMS due lifting more and working out harder and with this I slept longer and harder but I have heard a few people claim to have some lethargy
 
I felt terrible lethargy while on osta but alphadex and maca pro helped that. I believe it's just the excess working out but who knows
Edit: highly recommend alphadex for an otc ai. Also maca pro is probably my favorite BPS supp as of right now. It's like I'm 18 again, even though I'm only 24 ;)
 
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