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throneof said:
600 mg caffeine is absurd. I'm sure some folks can go that high, but they're stimmed out and ultra tolerant. 100-150 mg is all I need to get my system engaged. I can tolerate 200, but anything over that makes me feel horrible.
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zcol94 said:
I think the study showed that 600 was the max effective dose, not that less wouldn't work but that 600 was better
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Off topic but there was a recent study published showing consumption of 600 mg did not have any negative effects in the test subjects...
 
Spaniard said:
Off topic but there was a recent study published showing consumption of 600 mg did not have any negative effects in the test subjects...
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I wasn't saying it would, maybe I just worded my response wrong
 
T-Bone said:
5mg per kg was the studied dosage. So the effects of caffeine are actually dose dependent based on weight.
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Damn, I've been leaving gains on the table for years! :p. Never had over 250mg of straight caffeine at once.
 
Ok so I cant find an internet version of it but I have a book on athletes and supps , it states here that 600mg is an optimal dose for most male athletes but dehydration occurs at this dose
 
jaces said:
Ok so I cant find an internet version of it but I have a book on athletes and supps , it states here that 600mg is an optimal dose for most male athletes but dehydration occurs at this dose
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No need, you're right, I'm pretty sure I've seen that study as well. You don't need 600 mg of caffeine to get a boost.
 
Spaniard said:
No need, you're right, I'm pretty sure I've seen that study as well. You don't need 600 mg of caffeine to get a boost.
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Yeah and I find that when I use it only on days when I train back , legs and chest and take the rest of them of , I only need 400mg to get realy pumpd and I dnt fel sick and ****
 
I've experimented with as high as a gram of caffeine preworkout.

As someone who is not caffeine naive, I didn't find it unbearably/uncomfortably bad, I normally have 400-500mg preworkout for perspective.

I think people in general overestimate the side effects of high dose caffeine, but, individual tolerance varies I suppose.

That said, it didn't really seem to have much of a positive effect on my workout (I was mainly looking for the power output benefits shown in some of the really high dose caffeine studies) so I didn't keep doing it.
 
De__eB said:
I've experimented with as high as a gram of caffeine preworkout.

As someone who is not caffeine naive, I didn't find it unbearably/uncomfortably bad, I normally have 400-500mg preworkout for perspective.

I think people in general overestimate the side effects of high dose caffeine, but, individual tolerance varies I suppose.

That said, it didn't really seem to have much of a positive effect on my workout (I was mainly looking for the power output benefits shown in some of the really high dose caffeine studies) so I didn't keep doing it.
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Same here. 400 gets me going and 600 is like rocket fuel.

If paired with theanine then sides are more tolerable.

Personally, I go with 500mg caff, 1 gram theanine, 2.25 grams tyrosine and 50 grams of a carb source pre workout. It's very effective.
 
200-400mgs is perfect for me. I usually have 200mgs in the morning and another 100-200mgs prior to training. I've done the 1000mgs pre workout and I had to put my heart back in my chest..
 
Yes 400mg of caf with bcaa's , glycocarn ,citruline malate , carnatine and 20g of vitargo is my go to pre ,, sometimes sme l-glutamine and beta-alanine are good to
 
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