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The Arachidonic Acid Help Guide

warpyfunch said:
thanks. i tried ara once upon a time way back with halodrol liquigels, but after reading about the more modern protocol, i have a feeling i didn't get the most out of it last time. excited to be starting my run tomorrow.

here's the full list of what i'll be taking prewo, in case there are any other negative interactions to watch out for that i'm not aware of...

ara
alcar
baby aspirin
caffeine
citrulline malate
agmatine
beta alanine
betaine tmg
taurine
tyrosine

postwo:
creatine
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Do BA and TMG provide any acute benefits (besides paresthesia, I suppose) that would require preworkout dosing? Taking a little of that load of the stomach (TMG especially seems to cause distress in some) and putting it elsewhere in the day might be helpful, otherwise.
 
warpyfunch said:
thanks. i tried ara once upon a time way back with halodrol liquigels, but after reading about the more modern protocol, i have a feeling i didn't get the most out of it last time. excited to be starting my run tomorrow.

here's the full list of what i'll be taking prewo, in case there are any other negative interactions to watch out for that i'm not aware of...

ara
alcar
baby aspirin
caffeine
citrulline malate
agmatine
beta alanine
betaine tmg
taurine
tyrosine

postwo:
creatine
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Looks fine to me.
 
Nyrin said:
Do BA and TMG provide any acute benefits (besides paresthesia, I suppose) that would require preworkout dosing? Taking a little of that load of the stomach (TMG especially seems to cause distress in some) and putting it elsewhere in the day might be helpful, otherwise.
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I used to split the BA and TMG into smaller prewo and postwo doses for that reason, but out of laziness and convenience I started doing it all prewo and had no stomach issues, so I just kept doing it that way. On non-training days I take the same stack, but without the cit mal and agmatine. Maybe with the addition of ara i'll go back to the pre/post split dosing.
 
warpyfunch said:
thanks. i tried ara once upon a time way back with halodrol liquigels, but after reading about the more modern protocol, i have a feeling i didn't get the most out of it last time. excited to be starting my run tomorrow.

here's the full list of what i'll be taking prewo, in case there are any other negative interactions to watch out for that i'm not aware of...

ara
alcar
baby aspirin
caffeine
citrulline malate
agmatine
beta alanine
betaine tmg
taurine
tyrosine

postwo:
creatine
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One hell of a preWO stack there!
 
About to finish up my 1st bottle of X-gels at 1g pre-workout, but I really haven't noticed much. Should I up to 1.5g once I start the second bottle?
 
avega17 said:
About to finish up my 1st bottle of X-gels at 1g pre-workout, but I really haven't noticed much. Should I up to 1.5g once I start the second bottle?
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For some people the effects really kick in at the end of the first bottle
 
Jiigzz said:
For some people the effects really kick in at the end of the first bottle
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Absolutely correct, ArA for some seems to show its benefits right away, and for others may take a few weeks before the user really feels it "kick in".

I suspect this may be due to the amount of ArA already in the muscle cells prior to beginning supplementation, as this nutrient is depleted through training.
 
Goliath1 said:
What else are you taking with them? I usually dose 6-8 caps preworkout days only..
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Jiigzz said:
For some people the effects really kick in at the end of the first bottle
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SwolenONE said:
Absolutely correct, ArA for some seems to show its benefits right away, and for others may take a few weeks before the user really feels it "kick in". I suspect this may be due to the amount of ArA already in the muscle cells prior to beginning supplementation, as this nutrient is depleted through training.
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Stacking it with ABE (also first time running it) along with my bulk preworkout. I stopped all cissus and fish oil supplementation. So make the jump to 1.5 or stay?
 
avega17 said:
Stacking it with ABE (also first time running it) along with my bulk preworkout. I stopped all cissus and fish oil supplementation. So make the jump to 1.5 or stay?
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I personally was much happier at 1.5 as opposed to 1, but you could try 1 and see what happens.
 
After a couple of weeks of 3x/w training @ 1g per session, I'm trying 1.25g this week (5 caps). Had my first very solid 5-cap session today; we'll see how the rest of the week goes :) I'm guessing with the lower frequency, getting up to 1.5g soon will help optimize the benefit, despite my still being a relative lightweight.

Now, just to hopefully put this to rest: Peanuts are fine, right? There's no significant n-3 fatty acid in there. I see that almonds are recommended against despite there being hardly any (3%?) n-3, also--is there something else about nuts that competes with ArA? I love my nuts (har har), but don't want to screw with the ArA.
 
todd muelheim said:
I personally was much happier at 1.5 as opposed to 1, but you could try 1 and see what happens.
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Nyrin said:
After a couple of weeks of 3x/w training @ 1g per session, I'm trying 1.25g this week (5 caps). Had my first very solid 5-cap session today; we'll see how the rest of the week goes :) I'm guessing with the lower frequency, getting up to 1.5g soon will help optimize the benefit, despite my still being a relative lightweight.

Now, just to hopefully put this to rest: Peanuts are fine, right? There's no significant n-3 fatty acid in there. I see that almonds are recommended against despite there being hardly any (3%?) n-3, also--is there something else about nuts that competes with ArA? I love my nuts (har har), but don't want to screw with the ArA.
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Sounds good. Gonna jump to 1.25g then maybe 1.5g as needed. Thanks.
 
Jiigzz said:
1.5g was my sweet spot :D
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Yea, Im good with 1-1.5g ... I'm always surprised to see many going all the way to 2g. For me, I would think, the DOMS would be truly painful at that point.
 
SwolenONE said:
Yea, Im good with 1-1.5g ... I'm always surprised to see many going all the way to 2g. For me, I would think, the DOMS would be truly painful at that point.
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Yeah, did my first 1.25g dose for yesterday's session and I've got some nice DOMS going today; it's actually kind of pleasant, though :D

It might be a factor of training frequency, too. I'm only doing 3x/w, which probably makes higher dosing relative to BW make good sense (I'm still under 160lbs, so 5-6 caps is a lot!); if you're training 4-6 days per week, though, the lower doses likely accumulate nicely and higher doses with the higher frequency probably saturate a little more than we want for the sweet spot.
 
Oh, and I've got to ask again: what's the final word on eating nuts?

If the only concern is n-3 fatty acids for ArA uptake competition, it seems like there's a great deal of difference between popular nuts:

Nutn-3 / 100g
walnut9079mg
pecan986mg
cashew62mg
almond6mg
peanut~0mg

So walnuts should be avoided as badly as salmon, chia, or flax around ArA, but it seems like peanuts and almonds are pretty safe.

Any other reason I should avoid any of these nuts with my ArA? Such delicious bulking food.
 
Worst case, yes just avoid the higher omega3's around the same time as ArA, but they certainly won't make or break ya
 
schizm said:
Worst case, yes just avoid the higher omega3's around the same time as ArA, but they certainly won't make or break ya
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This.

Supplementation to fit the diet, not the other way around :D
 
Just got into the second bottle. The Dom's are not what I expected.
Its more like a total body aches. I fell like an 80yr old man,

Getting all day pumps after a work out. Weight hasn't changed much , noticing a little Chang in definition
 
murk01 said:
Just got into the second bottle. The Dom's are not what I expected.
Its more like a total body aches. I fell like an 80yr old man,

Getting all day pumps after a work out. Weight hasn't changed much , noticing a little Chang in definition
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This fits my results.

If I add calories I lean bulk nicely. If I dont change my diet, I actually lean out. Pumps and muscle hardness are noticeably different, all day long increase in muscle fullness.

My DOMS with ArA are similar, slight total body ache but with MAJOR soreness in the muscle worked the day prior.
 
Is there by any chance known issues or risk that memory might be affected by ArA?

In recent times my short term memory has been a bit shocking along with concentration. I take quite a lot of supps along with a high amount of caffeine but recently Ive been forgetting a lot of simple things and not paying attention properly to instructions or prices on products etc

Fairly long bow to draw but just want to see if there is any correlation. Other than the ArA I cant pick any other supps / dietary / habitual conditions that have changed of late.

Also using: hmb, ALCAR, gingko biloba, TMG, and I dont drink booze. (if that helps) (if this is non attributed to ARA I may just create a new thread or get it checked professionally)
 
Cheranine said:
Is there by any chance known issues or risk that memory might be affected by ArA? In recent times my short term memory has been a bit shocking along with concentration. I take quite a lot of supps along with a high amount of caffeine but recently Ive been forgetting a lot of simple things and not paying attention properly to instructions or prices on products etc Fairly long bow to draw but just want to see if there is any correlation. Other than the ArA I cant pick any other supps / dietary / habitual conditions that have changed of late. Also using: hmb, ALCAR, gingko biloba, TMG, and I dont drink booze. (if that helps) (if this is non attributed to ARA I may just create a new thread or get it checked professionally)
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It's the high dose of caffeine my friend. Same thing happened to me.
 
ok thanks. At around 1.3g a day (yikes..) it's definitely time to cut back. I'd read a lot of things which said caffeine had potentially positive effects on memory, but i doubt it was dosed this high lol ._.

Should also mention daily use of amp citrate for a number of months. Also making efforts to cut back (not that ill miss it for now, effect wore off a while ago due to the quick tolerance)

If anyone else has some info on ara vs memory i'd be keen to hear it, else Ill cut back on the caff for now.
 
Cheranine said:
ok thanks. At around 1.3g a day (yikes..) it's definitely time to cut back. I'd read a lot of things which said caffeine had potentially positive effects on memory, but i doubt it was dosed this high lol ._.

Should also mention daily use of amp citrate for a number of months. Also making efforts to cut back (not that ill miss it for now, effect wore off a while ago due to the quick tolerance)

If anyone else has some info on ara vs memory i'd be keen to hear it, else Ill cut back on the caff for now.
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That stimulant hasn't been around long at all. No one knows how safe it is. Running it for so long just isn't safe.
 
Yeah that's always been in the back of my mind :/ Ok stopping for a few weeks I guess.

edit: went back and re-read this thread Invalid Link Removed and realized that I use muscletech betaine nitrate, also daily, which would also be timed with my amp citrate pre workout. Ive not experienced any issues that were mentioned there.
 
Not sure if this has been addressed yet but would there be an interaction for those taking ephedrine pre-workout as well?
 
Cheranine said:
Yeah that's always been in the back of my mind :/ Ok stopping for a few weeks I guess.

edit: went back and re-read this thread Invalid Link Removed and realized that I use muscletech betaine nitrate, also daily, which would also be timed with my amp citrate pre workout. Ive not experienced any issues that were mentioned there.
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Ara should hypothetically assist learning, not the other way around. Your dose of caffeine is absurd though; what's your RHR like?
 
Driven2lift said:
Not sure if this has been addressed yet but would there be an interaction for those taking ephedrine pre-workout as well?
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Bumping this. Looking around for any interactions with ARA or prostaglandins but coming up empty.

I can't imagine it not effecting it one way or the other though, with its effects on fatty acids and insulin.
Would love insight from anyone who knows mr.cooper69

Maybe the man himself has an opinion
 
Driven2lift said:
Bumping this. Looking around for any interactions with ARA or prostaglandins but coming up empty.

I can't imagine it not effecting it one way or the other though, with its effects on fatty acids and insulin.
Would love insight from anyone who knows mr.cooper69

Maybe the man himself has an opinion
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Id say hes just tweaking from all the caffeine ;)
 
Cheranine said:
RHR has always been A-OK. Had a scare a while ago and got a full check, wife is a nurse too. Tolerance mane.
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Yeah, id say though that a break might be a good place to start. Dose is relative anyway.
 
warpyfunch said:
Still not entirely clear on how follidrone works, but I've read that it has anti-inflammatory properties... any ideas on how that relates to a ArA stack? Would it have to be dosed at different times of day or anything?
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This ^^^

Thats why Im asking…Im planing to make an HDROL cycle in about 3-4 weeks, and will run it with formestane….EVERYTHING will be in check…so I predict a nice-smooth with LOTS OF GAINS Cycle =p which I want to keep during my pct, and will add, gms, new abe, ara, creatine, dpol, clomid, a pre workout and not sure if FOLLIDRONE..
 
I believe (-)-epi anti-inflammatory effects aren't significant enough at the doses used to have an effect on ArA.
 
kbayne said:
I believe (-)-epi anti-inflammatory effects aren't significant enough at the doses used to have an effect on ArA.
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This right here :D
 
1kerry said:
what about follidrone? is stackable with ARA?
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Absolutely, I used a different product (MyoSynergy) that contains the same active from Follidrone and had an excellent cycle.
 
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