What to run

[deano2727]

Hi all, I am going to do my first PH cycle in a few weeks probably. I am keen on trying out OL's products, as they look awesome!

I was thinking of running Ep1 + Tr3st or Tr3n, or if not that, Tr3st + Tr3n.

This will be my first cycle. I am 21 years old, 170 lbs and around 15% bodyfat - been training for 2 years. I am looking to gain some lean muscle and as much strength as possible. If I can drop some bodyfat, even better, though I understand to get all 3, my diet and training will have to be spot on (which it pretty much is).

With that, can anyone suggest me what to run, that will provide the best results, that fit my goals. Also if people could suggest essential things to take on cycle or during pct. The only thing I know for sure I will need in regards to this is clomid and something for the liver. An AI would probably be wise to have on hand too. Will an OTC AI do the job? If so, I already have a product with armistane in it on hand, so I can probably do with out buying another.

I look forward to hearing any suggestions/opinions. Off to the gym now.

 

[infraredline]

Hi all, I am going to do my first PH cycle in a few weeks probably. I am keen on trying out OL's products, as they look awesome! I was thinking of running Ep1 + Tr3st or Tr3n, or if not that, Tr3st + Tr3n. This will be my first cycle. I am 21 years old, 170 lbs and around 15% bodyfat - been training for 2 years. I am looking to gain some lean muscle and as much strength as possible. If I can drop some bodyfat, even better, though I understand to get all 3, my diet and training will have to be spot on (which it pretty much is). With that, can anyone suggest me what to run, that will provide the best results, that fit my goals. Also if people could suggest essential things to take on cycle or during pct. The only thing I know for sure I will need in regards to this is clomid and something for the liver. An AI would probably be wise to have on hand too. Will an OTC AI do the job? If so, I already have a product with armistane in it on hand, so I can probably do with out buying another. I look forward to hearing any suggestions/opinions. Off to the gym now.

How tall are you?

 

[deano2727]

How tall are you?

5'10. I lost a good 5 lbs or so as well recently, as I was away on holiday and wasnt training/eating good for a couple of weeks.

I realise I probably could wait a while longer, but I feel I'm ready. I train hard, my diet is good (I work with a diet coach, with whom I had tremendous results with cutting).I have also been researching AAS/PH's/PCT's/Ancillaries for over a year, so I am not just jumping into this blind. I'm going to do it at some point, so if I feel I'm ready, may as well start now? I am well aware of potential sides and such, and I know I'll only have myself to blame if anything goes wrong.

 

[infraredline]

5'10. I lost a good 5 lbs or so as well recently, as I was away on holiday and wasnt training/eating good for a couple of weeks. I realise I probably could wait a while longer, but I feel I'm ready. I train hard, my diet is good (I work with a diet coach, with whom I had tremendous results with cutting).I have also been researching AAS/PH's/PCT's/Ancillaries for over a year, so I am not just jumping into this blind. I'm going to do it at some point, so if I feel I'm ready, may as well start now? I am well aware of potential sides and such, and I know I'll only have myself to blame if anything goes wrong.

It's not even about the sides bro, you can just get so much farther naturally first. Train hard for another few years naturally then revisit the steroid option later.

 

[deano2727]

It's not even about the sides bro, you can just get so much farther naturally first. Train hard for another few years naturally then revisit the steroid option later.

Lol literally just posted a near duplicate of this thread in the anabolic section. I understand your point of view, as deep down I know you are right. But my mind is made up, it'll only be a matter of time anyway before I do it. I want to do it now while I have no obligations to anyone (work, girlfriend/wife). I look at it this way, I am not exactly the worse prepared to start. I train and eat smart, I do my research and I am more than prepared to deal with the consequences. If I end up on TRT down the line, so be it. I won't be on here complaining nobody warned me.

Thanks for your reply, and I appreciate you are looking out for my best interests. Though as I said, its something ive wanted to do for a long time, so its a matter of now , or how many months. Still even considering test, though I might leave that for another time (if I have a good experience first time around).

 

[infraredline]

We'll if you're hell bent on it than at least do it right. Just run test.

1-12 test e 300mg a week (150mg Monday 150mg Thursday)
1-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod or arimidex .25mg eod
1-12 3 Hawthorne berry extract capsules daily (blood pressure)
1-12 1500mg celery seed daily (blood pressure) 1-12 9g fish oil daily (blood lipids)
PCT 15-18 Clomid 50/25/25/25 or Torem 90/60/60/30
15-20 Elim1nate 50mg a day or revolution pct 1 capsule before bed
15-18 d-aspartic acid 3g daily

Have on hand: Nolvadex (20mg a day) or Raloxifene (30mg a day) if gyno flares up

*you could run the Hawthorne berries, celery seed, and fishoil through pct and beyond

Trust me when I say this, you will be glad that you just used the real stuff rather than designers or PH's

 

[g0hardorgohom]

Hi all, I am going to do my first PH cycle in a few weeks probably. I am keen on trying out OL's products, as they look awesome!

I was thinking of running Ep1 + Tr3st or Tr3n, or if not that, Tr3st + Tr3n.

This will be my first cycle. I am 21 years old, 170 lbs and around 15% bodyfat - been training for 2 years. I am looking to gain some lean muscle and as much strength as possible. If I can drop some bodyfat, even better, though I understand to get all 3, my diet and training will have to be spot on (which it pretty much is).

With that, can anyone suggest me what to run, that will provide the best results, that fit my goals. Also if people could suggest essential things to take on cycle or during pct. The only thing I know for sure I will need in regards to this is clomid and something for the liver. An AI would probably be wise to have on hand too. Will an OTC AI do the job? If so, I already have a product with armistane in it on hand, so I can probably do with out buying another.

I look forward to hearing any suggestions/opinions. Off to the gym now.

I'd run Epi and TR3ST:

Cycle and supports:
- EP15TANE 30/45/45/45/45/45
- TR3ST 50/75/75/75/75/75
- AR1MACARE PRO 4 caps/day
- TransFORM 100mg/day

PCT:
- Clomid 50/50/25/25/0/0
- SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1

But honestly, if it's your first cycle, EP15TANE solo should be enough. If you're smart enough to go that route, there is no need for TransFORM.

 

[Tagger]

Bro don't do it. You still got that natty test pumping.

You need that foodrol.

Edit..

But if you do, just run something like EPI solo to get a feel.

My first cycle ever was EPI.