Pre workout drugs?

DangerDave said:
Thanks man. I know a little but will be the first to say I don't know enough. I constantly ask questions to my circle of friends that are serious competitors, my coach, and others that have been doing this longer. I hear their experiences and read lots of studies and books. If there is one thing I know... There are more fukin idiots out there than geniuses and more BS theories than actual evidence. I find more retarded " Internet gurus" that you will never see a pic of ( I assume they are some fat online certified trainer that tried dbol from legal steroids. C o m and thinks he's a pro). It just boils down to research and testing to see what your body responds too.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA

That **** is ****in hilarious! I agree bro hahaha.
 
For some reason people around here have a hard time believing what it takes to go to the next level, perhaps thats because most of them have done prohormone/DS cycles and the people who have stepped it up aren't entirely honest about their level of use. Whatever the reason is, if you have the time and inclination by all means preach on..
 
Didn't read the whole thread, but in case no one mentioned it: trest oral makes for a pretty decent pre-workout boost, endurance & pumps are great with 20mg pre-workout
 
babycakes said:
For some reason people around here have a hard time believing what it takes to go to the next level, perhaps thats because most of them have done prohormone/DS cycles and the people who have stepped it up aren't entirely honest about their level of use. Whatever the reason is, if you have the time and inclination by all means preach on..
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I'm honest about my level of use. But I agree most people aren't.
 
babycakes said:
For some reason people around here have a hard time believing what it takes to go to the next level, perhaps thats because most of them have done prohormone/DS cycles and the people who have stepped it up aren't entirely honest about their level of use. Whatever the reason is, if you have the time and inclination by all means preach on..
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You hit the NAIL ON THE MOTHER****ING HEAD BRO.


I've dug deep enough and starting making enough real world successful "acquaintances" to testify that that is absolutely the MOTHER****ING TRUTH. I just started running "real" doses after I was able to work up slowly after the point I finally realized that PCT is BULL**** (IF your athletic goals are what you LIVE AND DIE for) maybe about six months ago and my transformation has been absolutely ****ing insane.

Now that said I cycled A LOT before that, enough to learn about my body so that I could respond and adapt and adjust drugs and dosages on the fly if needed to keep from ****ing myself up. I'm being monitored by a dr. and I never have to worry about being too broke to be able to have any ancillaries on hand that I might need, etc.

A lot of guys tread lightly because they know that most of the young guys aren't really gunna be lifting in 20 years and they aren't really gunna be happy about making the decision to blast and cruise, take measured risks, etc.

As for me, I waisted time with people trying to "protect me". **** that.

We are all grown ass men, if we can choose to take an oath of enlistment and be sent off to kill mother****ers and be shot at, then we can shoulder the responsibility of our decisions about **** like this.

I read many books and cycled for years and have been training since I was a boy. I had a mother****ing cage squat rack in my bedroom when I was in eigth-grade.

I'm not advocating that everybody ABUSE AAS. I'm just acknowledging the reality. Some of us have no choice. We would rather die than lose.
 
LionHeart56 said:
You hit the NAIL ON THE MOTHER****ING HEAD BRO.


I've dug deep enough and starting making enough real world successful "acquaintances" to testify that that is absolutely the MOTHER****ING TRUTH. I just started running "real" doses after I was able to work up slowly after the point I finally realized that PCT is BULL**** (IF your athletic goals are what you LIVE AND DIE for) maybe about six months ago and my transformation has been absolutely ****ing insane.

Now that said I cycled A LOT before that, enough to learn about my body so that I could respond and adapt and adjust drugs and dosages on the fly if needed to keep from ****ing myself up. I'm being monitored by a dr. and I never have to worry about being too broke to be able to have any ancillaries on hand that I might need, etc.

A lot of guys tread lightly because they know that most of the young guys aren't really gunna be lifting in 20 years and they aren't really gunna be happy about making the decision to blast and cruise, take measured risks, etc.

As for me, I waisted time with people trying to "protect me". **** that.

We are all grown ass men, if we can choose to take an oath of enlistment and be sent off to kill mother****ers and be shot at, then we can shoulder the responsibility of our decisions about **** like this.

I read many books and cycled for years and have been training since I was a boy. I had a mother****ing cage squat rack in my bedroom when I was in eigth-grade.

I'm not advocating that everybody ABUSE AAS. I'm just acknowledging the reality. Some of us have no choice. We would rather die than lose.
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Word!! Can't say that is me, but I'm not ignorant to the fact either. And for the same reasons is why I have accepted the blast and cruise.
 
babycakes said:
Word!! Can't say that is me, but I'm not ignorant to the fact either. And for the same reasons is why I have accepted the blast and cruise.
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You know bro, I've already had all the kids I want. I got so ****ing tired of losing all my ****ing gains.

Then I thought about it. If I "take too much steroids" then I might have to "stay on steroids my whole life". And I was like, ****, WHERE DO I ****ING SIGN UP???? hahaha, **** PCT, lmao.

I'm also not 18 years old and trying to get laid / been doing cross-fit for two years "brah" haha



You new guys NEED to cycle and PCT for a few years until you know that something like this is what you want. It's a HUGE ****ing decision, don't take it lightly.
 
I hear Macho Man Randy Savage's voice when I read your posts lol
 
Spaniard said:
I hear Macho Man Randy Savage's voice when I read your posts lol
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hahahahaha I'll take that as a compliment lmfao. FYI you are ****ing jacked bro and thank you for your service mother****er! I know for a fact you're always having to get your neck and waist measured because of that BMI bull**** hahaha, I remember how hilarious that was lol. YOU'RE TOO JACKED SOLDIER! LMFAO
 
LionHeart56 said:
hahahahaha I'll take that as a compliment lmfao. FYI you are ****ing jacked bro and thank you for your service mother****er! I know for a fact you're always having to get your neck and waist measured because of that BMI bull**** hahaha, I remember how hilarious that was lol. YOU'RE TOO JACKED SOLDIER! LMFAO
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I hate that waist measuring shiat. I'm 42 lbs over my max but taped out at 6%. ( their standards not real, I was 4% on a caliper). The military standards are hilarious but they don't say **** to me. I'm a Poster boy Marine hahahaha.

I started cruising and bursting over 1.5 years ago and it's been uphill ever since. If you are a competitor it's the only way you can grow between shows properly.
 
DangerDave said:
I hate that waist measuring shiat. I'm 42 lbs over my max but taped out at 6%. ( their standards not real, I was 4% on a caliper). The military standards are hilarious but they don't say **** to me. I'm a Poster boy Marine hahahaha.

I started cruising and bursting over 1.5 years ago and it's been uphill ever since. If you are a competitor it's the only way you can grow between shows properly.
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**** son...hahaha. That bf% and weight is ****ing insane. When people ask you tell them "dat der creatine" I bet hahahaha
 
LionHeart56 said:
**** son...hahaha. That bf% and weight is ****ing insane. When people ask you tell them "dat der creatine" I bet hahahaha
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Haha I tell them I just eat a lot and take some basic supplements. Which is true. But I have my skeptics. It's hard being 220ish and being 6% at only 5' 8" without someone making a steroid comment. Not because they have proof. It's more of a way to convince themselves that they couldn't get bigger without doing something illegal. It's a cop out for weak minded little people, a way to discredit your success like you didn't work hard but just took something. It's pure ignorance at it's finest. I just shrug it off.

Had a dude see me the other day in a tank top and he said "steroids" to my face. I said "f@ggot" back at him. When he gave me a mean look I said "oh I though we were judging eachother based on looks..." He didn't say a word and walked away.
 
DangerDave said:
Haha I tell them I just eat a lot and take some basic supplements. Which is true. But I have my skeptics. It's hard being 220ish and being 6% at only 5' 8" without someone making a steroid comment. Not because they have proof. It's more of a way to convince themselves that they couldn't get bigger without doing something illegal. It's a cop out for weak minded little people, a way to discredit your success like you didn't work hard but just took something. It's pure ignorance at it's finest. I just shrug it off.

Had a dude see me the other day in a tank top and he said "steroids" to my face. I said "f@ggot" back at him. When he gave me a mean look I said "oh I though we were judging eachother based on looks..." He didn't say a word and walked away.
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Hahahahahahaha **** YEAH!!!!!!!!!
 
Any hormone suspension is fukn strong.
Test no ester, aqua tren suspension, are both very powerful. Also inj dbol is very strong.

Tbh I'm not big fan of them, other than once in a while to destroy a chick I like.
 
DangerDave said:
Haha I tell them I just eat a lot and take some basic supplements. Which is true. But I have my skeptics. It's hard being 220ish and being 6% at only 5' 8" without someone making a steroid comment. Not because they have proof. It's more of a way to convince themselves that they couldn't get bigger without doing something illegal. It's a cop out for weak minded little people, a way to discredit your success like you didn't work hard but just took something. It's pure ignorance at it's finest. I just shrug it off.

Had a dude see me the other day in a tank top and he said "steroids" to my face. I said "f@ggot" back at him. When he gave me a mean look I said "oh I though we were judging eachother based on looks..." He didn't say a word and walked away.
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Hahahaha that's awesome!!!
 
DangerDave said:
Haha I tell them I just eat a lot and take some basic supplements. Which is true. But I have my skeptics. It's hard being 220ish and being 6% at only 5' 8" without someone making a steroid comment. Not because they have proof. It's more of a way to convince themselves that they couldn't get bigger without doing something illegal. It's a cop out for weak minded little people, a way to discredit your success like you didn't work hard but just took something. It's pure ignorance at it's finest. I just shrug it off. Had a dude see me the other day in a tank top and he said "steroids" to my face. I said "f@ggot" back at him. When he gave me a mean look I said "oh I though we were judging eachother based on looks..." He didn't say a word and walked away.
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Jealousy and envy are both love and hate ....
 
LionHeart56 said:
hahahahaha I'll take that as a compliment lmfao. FYI you are ****ing jacked bro and thank you for your service mother****er! I know for a fact you're always having to get your neck and waist measured because of that BMI bull**** hahaha, I remember how hilarious that was lol. YOU'RE TOO JACKED SOLDIER! LMFAO
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Hahaha thanks bro! OHHHHHH YEEUUUUHHHHH!!!!

Yup, guaranteed every weigh in I have to get taped.
DangerDave said:
I hate that waist measuring shiat. I'm 42 lbs over my max but taped out at 6%. ( their standards not real, I was 4% on a caliper). The military standards are hilarious but they don't say **** to me. I'm a Poster boy Marine hahahaha.

I started cruising and bursting over 1.5 years ago and it's been uphill ever since. If you are a competitor it's the only way you can grow between shows properly.
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Guaranteed man. Every year without fail I have to stand with the people that walked our PT test and get taped for being overweight. It's odd, instead of being in shape being looked upon as a good thing it brings more animosity than anything else lol. I ran my 2 mile in 14 min (down from my 13) and while I have to go in and take my shirt off, I get dirty looks hahaha.

Meh, such is life. Glad to see you made it back safe brother
 
I got throw out of the army because I was too big, long story.. But anyways I have read everything in here I have been lifting heavy for the past 6 months and want to go to the next level... I don't know a lot about supplements I eat great a lot of protein any suggestions?? I have a job that I get drug tested a lot so steroids is not good.. Lol but need an edge something to get me to the next level!!!! Help
 
dboston said:
I have a job that I get drug tested a lot so steroids is not good..
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what kind of job, and what do they test for?
not to make assumptions here, but a lot of ppl who get drug tested for work think such test is all inclusive for every drug imaginable (yes inc steroids), when that is simply not the case....most jobs in fact test only for illicit narcotic drugs and/or alcohol, and are not concerned about steroidal compounds
not that I am advocating you should go on steroids, just saying for clarity sake..

Lol but need an edge something to get me to the next level!!!! Help
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when I see ppl say "I eat great" this more often than not ends up being far from the case...perhaps you can expound on these eating habits

also: when you say "I have been lifting heavy for the past 6 months and want to go to the next level... " -- what does that mean?
so you been lifting for 6mo.............okay? do you view that as some magical time marker or something?
comparatively speaking, if you have such limited experience in training, simply continuing to train and concurrently making proper food selections (and overall total caloric intake) will enable you to accrue muscle in further endeavors

I would not look to a "magical pill" or however you view this "something to help" you are looking for..
just continue doing what you are doing, 6mo makes you a babe in the woods in the grand scheme of lifting & training
 
Six months?

lol get the **** out of here

On second thought, 1200mg tren e Every week for four weeks, you will be JACKED broseph. Make sure you take lots of nolvadex with it and stay away from test.
 
dBoston make another thread, you will get better responses.

You seriously got discharged for being a fatty?

Anyway...include your age, weight, training experience, and give us some background info on what you are doing in the gym. Then explain why you think this would be a good idea.

Most likely people are going to say you haven't proven yourself serious enough to warrant this and that in the long run you will most likely regret getting yourself involved with all that this entails. And then they will give you some info on a basic first cycle since you are gunna do whatever the **** you wanna do anyway, and at least from a harm-reduction stand-point you won't totally **** yourself up with some good guidance.


I'm not normally one to discourage a guy, but six months? Seriously? Six months? And you're ready for "the next level". Seriously bro? I'm pro AAS abuse like a mother****er but that is the most ****ing ridiculous **** I have ever heard.
 
I have been lifting in and off year after year, but this six months I have been in gym 5 days a week. Hitting goal after goal in lifting I just hit my major goal which was benching 350 putting up times three sets, some people here May not think it's a lot but it's a good goal, I use to weight like 180 7 months ago now I am at 250 not saying it's all muscle but my lifting goals are going up every month.. Let me simplify my question so I can get help, from you guys.. I eat chicken, fish, eggs, oatmeal, veg, everyday.. No junk good, taking fish oil pills, and I do protein shakes, that's all u know to do!!! I don't know any more supplements to help me get bigger, list more!!
 
180 to 250 in 7 months isn't chicken oats fish and peanut butter my friend.

I think you should take an honest look in the mirror and be real about where you're at and how you got there and where you want to be.
 
I was on a low carb diet before I started lifting, I am thinking that now my body is storing my carbs, the only carbs I eat are from oatmeal and veg..
 
dboston said:
I have been lifting in and off year after year, but this six months I have been in gym 5 days a week. Hitting goal after goal in lifting I just hit my major goal which was benching 350 putting up times three sets, some people here May not think it's a lot but it's a good goal, I use to weight like 180 7 months ago now I am at 250 not saying it's all muscle but my lifting goals are going up every month.. Let me simplify my question so I can get help, from you guys.. I eat chicken, fish, eggs, oatmeal, veg, everyday.. No junk good, taking fish oil pills, and I do protein shakes, that's all u know to do!!! I don't know any more supplements to help me get bigger, list more!!
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sounds like you dreamer bulked my friend, at your age that's no joke. time for a cutty methinks
 
dboston said:
What you mean, I need to start cutting carbs???
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You need to get unfat not cut carbs. Pretty much your saying you gained 70lbs in 7 months.., 10lbs a month? No possible way you did that without putting on 30lbs of fat and water. Be real your bodyfat assuming it was 15% at 180 puts you close to 30% now. The human body naturally with the CLEANEST diet and best lifting program can gain 1-2lbs per week starting out but gains diminish fast. You started lifting, ate everything like a hungry hippo and got fat. No way to sugar coat that... You would prolly eat that too
 
Really dude trying to be serious, and your cracking jokes dumb ****, damn there are some dumb people on here
 
dboston said:
Danger Dave looks like you need food to grow you short **** lol lol
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Ha that's your best? Why the hell would I want to be taller? I'm a competitive bodybuilder.. If I could be shorter I would be. I didn't know food could make you grow taller... Hmm you must know some secret to dieting out of your apparent extensive knowledge on the subject of nutrient intake.
 
dboston said:
5'8"" 215 I had ****s bigger than you, lmao
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Yep all 215lbs of my 4% bodyfat self. (Oh yeah that's stage weight). Please remind me if your bodyfat? Cut to 4% and see how much you REALLY weigh under your "winter" coat.
 
dboston said:
5'8"" 215 I had ****s bigger than you, lmao
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uhh..yeah okay man
dboston just went off the rails...train smash time

tbh, DD is probably one of the most tell-it-like-it-is guys on this forum, and the dude is pretty damn knowledgeable

dboston - try to ignore your sensitive and hurt feelings, take it in stride (as he was not being personally insulting to you), and just maybe you can learn a thing or two before you really go off the rails in search of this "next level" never-never-land you state you are after...

if your goal is to have the body of a sumo wrestler, then by all means what we are saying does not have any pertinence to your situation, and you are well on your way...ignore us and carry on
 
Dboston if you want to step up your game shoot a gram of tren a day and take 200mgs of anadrol for 14 months straight. You'll get huge brah.
 
What the ****.

Man I want to help you so bad, but you are doing everything in your power just to disguist everybody.

Do some ****ing research man, READ. Then come back. ****ing read posts, use google, at least learn enough to know what questions to ask and then we will help you out. It seems like you are either trolling or don't really give a ****.
 
Funny wow dude okay you wanna know my stats dumb ****. I am 6'4" 250 bf is 15% think the steroids are burning the brain cells dude!!!

The picture you see of me is old picture. It's a motivation picture and has helped out a lot...
 
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