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If FOLLIDRONE is bunk & results R placebo Ill take placebo

brundel said:
Ill go on strike and hold my breath till I pass out then everyone will have to wait longer ;)
I had expected it to land here yesterday. Ill check again today. If it arrived Ill ship today to NP and they "MAY" begin pre selling.
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Have one bottle, hoping to get one or two more for a nice long run. Please keep us posted with restock at NP!
 
The clear muscle study was an absolute disaster if you take a closer look. I'm not sure it could have been run with any more bias or less control.
 
todd muelheim said:
The clear muscle study was an absolute disaster if you take a closer look. I'm not sure it could have been run with any more bias or less control.
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Yah its ugly bro.
Its a shame that such a large company cant just do some work and release good products. Instead they make money on deception. Makes us all look bad.
The clear muscle ad says "users gained 16lbs of muscle".
Im willing to bet literally anything that if you take free base hmb its not gonna cause 16lbs of any kind of gain. Like a blatant lie.
 
raz_kaz248 said:
Because Follidrone is out of stock, we hold you responsible lol

i kid i kid!
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I guess i am responsible ultimately.
Still hasnt arrived at here. Hopefully later today or tomorrow. They said it was fed exed to us on fri. Holiday weekend though so.....its on the way.
 
I took a break in the middle of a workout session to check, I am planning on buying every last bottle there is and selling them to everyone here at double the price divvying up proceeds with Admin.
 
brundel said:
Yah its ugly bro.
Its a shame that such a large company cant just do some work and release good products. Instead they make money on deception. Makes us all look bad.
The clear muscle ad says "users gained 16lbs of muscle".
Im willing to bet literally anything that if you take free base hmb its not gonna cause 16lbs of any kind of gain. Like a blatant lie.
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You'll be lucky to gain 16lbs of dry, stage weight muscle on a cycle of AAS, let alone a "natty" product.
 
The study said users gained 16 lbs of LBM... the ad says 16 lbs of muscle... not the same thing! Not debating the study, but the marketing is so blatantly deceptive it is stunning to me...
 
akazo said:
The study said users gained 16 lbs of LBM... the ad says 16 lbs of muscle... not the same thing! Not debating the study, but the marketing is so blatantly deceptive it is stunning to me...
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not to me I remember
 
akazo said:
The study said users gained 16 lbs of LBM... the ad says 16 lbs of muscle... not the same thing! Not debating the study, but the marketing is so blatantly deceptive it is stunning to me...
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Hey its muscletech, nothing abnormal.

Brundel;

Do you believe the market for (-) epicatechin will increase now after the success with follidrone (seems like myosynergy as well)? Increasing demand on the substance would drive the price for it down, right?. I don't know the price for it right now, but i guess its expensive.
 
in a years time any pre without it will be considered a dinosaur, it will still be about quality of (-)-epicatechin not proprietary kitchen sink blends for me though. I wonder if CR sites will begin making (-)-epicatechin for injection
 
Like Touey, I hope that it is always available as a stand alone because I do not like blends and the only supplements I take for performance/workouts is BCAAs, potassium nitrate, citrulline, and now Folli. I like to know what I am taking and not have someone else mix it up for me.
 
Pec.Major said:
Hey its muscletech, nothing abnormal.

Brundel;

Do you believe the market for (-) epicatechin will increase now after the success with follidrone (seems like myosynergy as well)? Increasing demand on the substance would drive the price for it down, right?. I don't know the price for it right now, but i guess its expensive.
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My expectation is within 1-2 years max it will be everywhere.
Its gonna take China about a year we estimate to catch up with the manufacturing process. At first youll likely see some very crappy versions.
Our chemical manufacturer is relatively unique. Not very many who can produce this stuff currently or..at least not produce it cleanly with 5-10% only stereoisomers and other catechins etc. We have also put up a few smoke screens so its gonna be hard to copy. Everyone is already on the wrong track so to speak which is good.

Look at it like this....
When, ever, has a natural substance caused people to potentially gain a legit 11lbs? (this is the top end weve seen)
There are 2 reviews where the guys were FN FASTING or only eating carbs 2 days a week and gained 4 lbs lol.
Combined with super human endurance
Pump
Strength enough to hit PRs on every exercise.
Vascularity
......
THere is nothing that stacks up in history. Or currently.

It was so hard to believe people thought it was an april fools joke when I announced it lol.
All I did was post actual trial results but they were incredible so.....only the guys who know me and our brand believed me and probably even them with a grain of salt. Now everyone believes.

Great for endurance, huge pump...Most saying better pumps than with any pump product.
This stuff will certainly become commonplace and the price will dip. But again 1-2 years most likely.

In the mean time I expect a few copy cats here and there but the dose will almost certainly be lower than ours because...well..it costs twice the price of our most expensive products to produce. Most companies wont take the hit to have a good product.
They would instead sell you HMB for 60$ lol.

At any rate..for now...its VERY expensive and hard to obtain so....stick to our brand knowing it works well, has been properly synthesized and is the original (-)-epi product. Ill continue to try to bring new things to the industry and also continue only having products that are best in class.

In fact.....Im working on something currently.....you guys are gonna trip...Just wait...
You heard it here first. THere is another big hitter on the way....this time.....nobody else is on my heels ;)
 
brundel said:
My expectation is within 1-2 years max it will be everywhere.
Its gonna take China about a year we estimate to catch up with the manufacturing process. At first youll likely see some very crappy versions.
Our chemical manufacturer is relatively unique. Not very many who can produce this stuff currently or..at least not produce it cleanly with 5-10% only stereoisomers and other catechins etc. We have also put up a few smoke screens so its gonna be hard to copy. Everyone is already on the wrong track so to speak which is good.

Look at it like this....
When, ever, has a natural substance caused people to potentially gain a legit 11lbs? (this is the top end weve seen)
There are 2 reviews where the guys were FN FASTING or only eating carbs 2 days a week and gained 4 lbs lol.
Combined with super human endurance
Pump
Strength enough to hit PRs on every exercise.
Vascularity
......
THere is nothing that stacks up in history. Or currently.

It was so hard to believe people thought it was an april fools joke when I announced it lol.
All I did was post actual trial results but they were incredible so.....only the guys who know me and our brand believed me and probably even them with a grain of salt. Now everyone believes.

Great for endurance, huge pump...Most saying better pumps than with any pump product.
This stuff will certainly become commonplace and the price will dip. But again 1-2 years most likely.

In the mean time I expect a few copy cats here and there but the dose will almost certainly be lower than ours because...well..it costs twice the price of our most expensive products to produce. Most companies wont take the hit to have a good product.
They would instead sell you HMB for 60$ lol.

At any rate..for now...its VERY expensive and hard to obtain so....stick to our brand knowing it works well, has been properly synthesized and is the original (-)-epi product. Ill continue to try to bring new things to the industry and also continue only having products that are best in class.

In fact.....Im working on something currently.....you guys are gonna trip...Just wait...
You heard it here first. THere is another big hitter on the way....this time.....nobody else is on my heels ;)
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I'm sold! Is it ready yet?
 
koi1214 said:
Nice!! What type of product?What is the ETA?
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Id say a few months at least.
And while I wont say what it is I will tell you that its more mainstream than our other products and.....that its gonna make alot of companies unhappy
because I intend to make it better than anything available.
Now I know every company says this about every product they make, however, those who know our brand now know all of our products are top notch.
Im thinking we wont have a legit competitor with regards to effect.
 
brundel said:
Id say a few months at least.
And while I wont say what it is I will tell you that its more mainstream than our other products and.....that its gonna make alot of companies unhappy
because I intend to make it better than anything available.
Now I know every company says this about every product they make, however, those who know our brand now know all of our products are top notch.
Im thinking we wont have a legit competitor with regards to effect.
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You really are coming out with some innovative products and the best apart about it is they work awesome. lol
Keep up the great work man.
 
brundel said:
Id say a few months at least.
And while I wont say what it is I will tell you that its more mainstream than our other products and.....that its gonna make alot of companies unhappy
because I intend to make it better than anything available.
Now I know every company says this about every product they make, however, those who know our brand now know all of our products are top notch.
Im thinking we wont have a legit competitor with regards to effect.
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My money is on a pre-workout lol
 
brundel said:
Id say a few months at least.
And while I wont say what it is I will tell you that its more mainstream than our other products and.....that its gonna make alot of companies unhappy
because I intend to make it better than anything available.
Now I know every company says this about every product they make, however, those who know our brand now know all of our products are top notch.
Im thinking we wont have a legit competitor with regards to effect.
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very excited to see this. Any eta on the SERM?
 
Serm is on the back burner.

Follidrone has landed. Im shipping to np overnight express.
 
kisaj said:
I lurked for years before pulling the trigger because I tend to be picky about the community I join. This is one of the best going.
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I signed up because of this thread... now if only I could get my hands on this product!
 
akazo said:
I signed up because of this thread... now if only I could get my hands on this product!
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Strong rep/post ratio bro!!!! Haha.
But yeah, it's worth the wait! I strongly regret not buying 2 or 3 bottles when it first released. I only bought one
 
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