If FOLLIDRONE is bunk & results R placebo Ill take placebo

I realize people dont like to hear this. Im the only guy whos willing to stand up and say it.
I get crap about it all the time but hey...Id rather get crap for telling the truth than back something I believe to be false.
Its actually Ok if you dont believe me. 100102938019823019283 companies use it. Eat away.

In fact I have a giant bag of it I planned to throw away.
Is there a classifieds section on this forum? Ill sell it off to the highest bidder lol.
 
brundel said:
Here is the funny thing about this.....I dont want to continue down this road. Its getting us nowhere but.....

Your saying if you said green tea increase test anyone would want proof.
Where exactly is the proof arimistane works? have you seen any?There is literally none. 0 nada nothing.
Not even one hint or part of a study....

Lots of guys saying they get joint pain...well so what...maybe its causing inflammation. This doesnt mean its lowering estrogen.
Lots of guys say they think its working but lets honest....how do they know their estrogen is low if they dont run bloodwork?
Guessing?
Not exactly proof.

We intended to use it in a product. So we ran tests. it failed. End of story for me. This happened with a TON of ingredients commonly used in supps.
We wont use it unless there is viable proof it works.
So to me...bloodwork = proof. and Nothing means well..no proof which is what arimistane has.

Any guess as to why the company that introduced it isnt using it anymore? It sure sold well. No reason to fix something unless its broken.

Follidrone= (-)-epicatechin has several studies Im aware of where blood results are included.
Arimistane not one.
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I'm not knocking follidrone at all; i'm actually VERY excited to run it. I apologize if I made it seem that way.

I completely agree as well. I havent seen bloodwork either way so that's why I asked.

Just was wondering if you'd post it, that's all :)

I won't derail your thread anymore but will add that i'm very close to getting a pickit sign and protesting about folli not being available
 
Jiigzz said:
I'm not knocking follidrone at all; i'm actually VERY excited to run it. I apologize if I made it seem that way.

I completely agree as well. I havent seen bloodwork either way so that's why I asked.

Just was wondering if you'd post it, that's all :)

I won't derail your thread anymore but will add that i'm very close to getting a pickit sign and protesting about folli not being available
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Ill see if I can dig up our bloodwork results.
Give me a couple days and PM me so I dont forget.
If I posted all of our results here the whole thread would turn into an arimistane thread lol.
 
brundel said:
Ill see if I can dig up our bloodwork results.
Give me a couple days and PM me so I dont forget.
If I posted all of our results here the whole thread would turn into an arimistane thread lol.
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Haha, wow that much. You can PM me the results too if you'd rather. The thread has derailed enough :D
 
Jiigzz said:
Bash other companies products but hype up your own? Bad form sir. What about all the anecdotal support for erase? And alphmax? Are you saying that accounts for nothing? What does follidrone go by on exactly?
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I tried multiple Arimistane products which I will not throw under the bus because I like the one of the companies. Yes, anecdotally they "felt" like they were working. But, my two separate labs showed different. One test showed my E2 dropped by 1 point and the other stayed exactly the same. Lets just say it did not touch my estrogen levels. I do believe it has good cortisol reducing properties which can be very beneficial. Just wanted to add my experience with that particular ingredient.
 
ELROCK said:
I tried multiple Arimistane products which I will not throw under the bus because I like the one of the companies. Yes, anecdotally they "felt" like they were working. But, my two separate labs showed different. One test showed my E2 dropped by 1 point and the other stayed exactly the same. Lets just say it did not touch my estrogen levels. I do believe it has good cortisol reducing properties which can be very beneficial. Just wanted to add my experience with that particular ingredient.
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I recall something along those lines being discussed around the time that PES changed the erase formula...
 
I like PES.
They try to introduce new compounds and for that I appreciate them so understand Im not trying to attack them.
Now that they dont use arimistane I feel more comfortable telling people the truth.....Ive received quite a bit of negativity because its such a widely used product that unfortunately thousands of people bought.
But..there ^^ is someone else aside from me with negative BW results. We have 5 at BLR. so 6 in this thread.

I dont like arguing for any reason. Its not why Im here and it makes me feel crappy overall. Even if I come out on top in the argument.
I engage when my credibility comes into question because I dont ever want people to think Im out to harm others for my benefit or any other reason.
I just do my best to tell the truth even if it sometimes offends people.

The reality is if arimistane did work we would be using it in a product currently. This isnt what happened though.
I canned the project along with dozens of others we have worked on over the years....thousand of dollars spent testing ingredients just to flush it down the drain. Sucks for me but at least I know my products work.

I tested a handful of supposed AI's over the last year or so knowing that one day formestane may be banned....Only one worked and while it worked it only dropped estro 30% at a dose that would be too pricy to reasonably use. This compound is Gamma Mangostin. It worked yes but not up to BLR standards.


I should have a yard sale with all the KGs of test material I have at work......
 
ELROCK said:
I tried multiple Arimistane products which I will not throw under the bus because I like the one of the companies. Yes, anecdotally they "felt" like they were working. But, my two separate labs showed different. One test showed my E2 dropped by 1 point and the other stayed exactly the same. Lets just say it did not touch my estrogen levels. I do believe it has good cortisol reducing properties which can be very beneficial. Just wanted to add my experience with that particular ingredient.
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Exactly my experience. I thought it was working and built it up in my head then had labs done as part of my normal 3 month and was shocked. Same thing at the next lab. Realized I was throwing money down the drain. And this is only what I found for myself. Does that mean any general commentary, no.
 
Meh.....until any of you guys come up with something that gives better results than Hot Stuff gives, I just can't take you seriously.
 
Hi Brundel,

I have been Pubmed'ing (-)-Epicatechin for the past few hours and found several studies showing benefits for Heart patients and diabetic patients. Do you think it's a viable option for someone with a heart disease? (had bypass/ stent) already. Are there any side-effects that could occur if it doesn't seem to help? I would bring it up to a doctor but i doubt any doctors out there would be well versed in such substances.
 
kisaj said:
Haha, I remember that stuff. It was the ultimate garbage can of ingredients and sold like bananas.
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The stuff I bought from 1987-1993 when ALL you had was magazines, word of mouth, and hope. I still have a Bulgarian Burst manual somewhere. And they still sell Hot Stuff for $50. Ah the good old days lol.
 
Holy crap, I can't believe they sell that still. No way it was the first run of ingredients. ...off to google it.
 
hpnawtik said:
Hi Brundel,

I have been Pubmed'ing (-)-Epicatechin for the past few hours and found several studies showing benefits for Heart patients and diabetic patients. Do you think it's a viable option for someone with a heart disease? (had bypass/ stent) already. Are there any side-effects that could occur if it doesn't seem to help? I would bring it up to a doctor but i doubt any doctors out there would be well versed in such substances.
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I just cant recommend you take it if you have serious heart issues.
While there are studies indicating improvement in certain circumstances not enough research has been done in my opinion in this regard.
I cant validate if its a safe option or not. I would run it by your cardiologist.
Even if they dont know the compound they may be able to shed light on if its safe or not to be running supplements and pushing your body in the gym.
Training is often recommended post bypass but you still have to be careful.

My recommendation is talk to cardiologist first. Im not aware of any potential side effects.
 
kisaj said:
I need to get more because I am getting frustrated at just being strong. I had rugby and muay thai training the week after I got off of it and then again last week with a noticeable difference. We have a punch/kick mat to measure power and my kicks and punches were down 7% from the previous 4 weeks. Still ass kicking power (LOL), but not what I got spoiled with. I haven't been to the gym in about a week and eating out every night on this trip, so I know I am going to need encouragement when I get back.
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damn id love to get measured
 
jjblacksheep said:
The stuff I bought from 1987-1993 when ALL you had was magazines, word of mouth, and hope. I still have a Bulgarian Burst manual somewhere. And they still sell Hot Stuff for $50. Ah the good old days lol.
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Man Im with you on this.
I must have eaten a hundred supplements promising results and literally none of them worked lol...
Terrible.

I promise Ill never do this to you.
 
I plan on running Folli soon to go with another GVT type run, from what I've read in all the logs should really help volume endurance.
 
Looks like Follidrone will be done tomorrow!
It should ship out tomorrow and we will have product shipped directly to NP.
So.....next week we will be in stock.
 
todd muelheim said:
Is it all going to NP?
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Not this time no. I do plan on giving them alot....200+ units but at the rate they go this will go VERY quick. 48hrs ish I expect.
I plan on shipping to our other retailers as well though including our EU, AU, and NZ guys.
 
brundel said:
Not this time no. I do plan on giving them alot....200+ units but at the rate they go this will go VERY quick. 48hrs ish I expect.
I plan on shipping to our other retailers as well though including our EU, AU, and NZ guys.
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how many weeks/months do you predict before Follidrone will have an adequate stock in most online retailers? By July?
 
brundel said:
Not this time no. I do plan on giving them alot....200+ units but at the rate they go this will go VERY quick. 48hrs ish I expect. I plan on shipping to our other retailers as well though including our EU, AU, and NZ guys.
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Which EU guys?:)

Follidrone would be best on a calorie surplus? Could one use it to get shredded?
 
HITFrank said:
Which EU guys?:)

Follidrone would be best on a calorie surplus? Could one use it to get shredded?
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I used on a calorie maintenance and all my lifts went up. Actually have gained around 5 pounds so far while leaning out! Folli is extremely versatile.
 
HITFrank said:
Which EU guys?:)

Follidrone would be best on a calorie surplus? Could one use it to get shredded?
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I used it on a recomp, but ended up pushing out so much volume that I think my calories were not enough (aka accidentally cutting). Crazy endurance, good leaning out.

paula said:
What is the duration of using this product? Two bottles?
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One bottle = 30 days (recommended dose: two caps pre work out, as loggers do.)
 
stavs said:
how many weeks/months do you predict before Follidrone will have an adequate stock in most online retailers? By July?
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I expect stock by wed.
I dont know about stable stock as I dont know where the demand line is.
We have another 1000 coming right behind this 500.
If that doesnt hold the line Ill order 2000. 4000 etc until we get stable. Understanding that 4000 i like a 60k investment just for the raws I have to slowly increase.
 
Big investment, but if the products works and is affordable in price compared to other similar supplements, I really don't see why this wouldn't be a great seller. Bodybuilding.com creams over the Biotivia/Driven Sports supplements and if people put you in that same category (which they very well may), then you've made it.
 
stavs said:
Big investment, but if the products works and is affordable in price compared to other similar supplements, I really don't see why this wouldn't be a great seller. Bodybuilding.com creams over the Biotivia/Driven Sports supplements and if people put you in that same category (which they very well may), then you've made it.
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This supp is certainly going to project us into another level.
 
For now at least Im going to have to just keep up with demand....I expect this batch to sell very quickly.
 
needs to be an email alert sign up hoping i don't miss out. annoying how nutra planet dosent do paypal either
 
Auslifter said:
needs to be an email alert sign up hoping i don't miss out. annoying how nutra planet dosent do paypal either
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Ill certainly mention it here and on our FB page.
As for the Paypal thing we will have other retailers available that may take paypal.
 
I see hard times coming for companies like usp labs or muscletech or many others where marketing hype is needed to sell products where others will sell because they simply work and dont need any questionable marketing.if someone can get a product that works for almost the same price why should this one buy into placebo?im looking for the day when all of these placebo supps are gone and only the good effective ones survived.
 
uubiduu said:
I see hard times coming for companies like usp labs or muscletech or many others where marketing hype is needed to sell products where others will sell because they simply work and dont need any questionable marketing.if someone can get a product that works for almost the same price why should this one buy into placebo?im looking for the day when all of these placebo supps are gone and only the good effective ones survived.
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MuscleTech has many good supplements, and are today, much more than a marketing whore (as they once were)

And if Clear Muscle ends up being as effective as it should be, they'll have no need to over advertise it as results will speak for themselves (much like ArA, (-)epi, PA, etc.)
 
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