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If FOLLIDRONE is bunk & results R placebo Ill take placebo

clobrown said:
U claim Myosynergy uses the same ingredient as you

but both of yall have it labeled different

"Epicatechin (90%) 100 mg" - Myosyngey

"(-)-Epicatechin, Rice Flour" -Follidrone

So is EVomuse intentionally lying on there label too?
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Or unintentionally mislabeled.
Epicatechin is not correct. Read the studies. They are not epicatechin studies. They are (-)-epicatechin.
It does matter.

The difference. I know for sure evomuse is using the right ingredient but at half our dose.

I also know for sure biotivia is not using the same thing. You can probably figure out why if you really scrutinize.

Keeping in mind that I know things that are not public knowledge. This on top of non disclosure on my account making it difficult to understand.
One thing I know for certain is what we are using and what biotivia is using is different.
 
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Notice its 153$ for 5mg. from sigma.
 
raz_kaz248 said:
this is getting good
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No it's not there's no need to knock people it will just get the thread closed. Why is it so hard to debate / discuss without abuse
 
clobrown said:
understood, maybe Biotivia unintentionally mislabeled as well?


either way, all im trying get at is your strong opinion on a product that hasent been released yet.

If your strong that they r using the wrong ingredient why comment so aggressive over it?

let there product fail and yours prevail lol

now maybe u prevented a Biotivia fail and actually helped them out with your rants haha
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UNless they completely change their product I think we are safe ;)
I just dont want people comparing Follidrone to something I know to be inferior.

I become aggressive when someone accuses me of acting out of greed or ignorance as neither could be further from the truth.
Basically someone just throwing out untruths to try to support a non factual position.

On your mark
Get set
terrible.
 
Ive also had about 9 cups of coffee....bad time for a debate lol.
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kisaj said:
Not to derail, but we just went and saw Chappelle the other week and he still has it.
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It needs a slight derail anyways.
Chappell is a funny dude....Some of the old skits from the Chappell show are priceless.
 
I just want to try 8 weeks of Follidrone. I know my body, I know what I respond to. If it's anything like what I have read, I will be extremely happy. I have wasted a lot of money over the years on bunk products, but you never know until you try.

The compaines I trust are a short list, but that's ok because the handful of compaines I enjoy, cover everything I need.

I will prob go 1st 4 weeks Follidrone to see what it does, then week 4-8 will begin an 8 week Alphamax run possibly with ArA. I assume the Tongkat product should be fine with Alphamax as well.

If I don't see some changes in the mirror or the measuring tape after that, then I am doing something wrong!
 
mtinsideout said:
Lol you have to be buying this in stupid amounts to keep the price down...
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Thankfully the price does drop with volume. Even at the 3-10kg range its still thousands of dollars a kg.
Most expensive ingredient Ive ever used. It costs us more than double the cost of Formeron to make a bottle of Follidrone.
Id have to sell it at 90$ to be equal in markup %.
So....I sort of take a hit on the Follidrone but....I figure Id rather have an amazing product and only make a few bucks than have a crap one or a mediocre one and make money. Yet Im still accused of greed :)
Cost is a huge reason why you see half doses and improper ingredients. The stuff is incredibly expensive.
 
brundel said:
Thankfully the price does drop with volume. Even at the 3-10kg range its still thousands of dollars a kg.
Most expensive ingredient Ive ever used. It costs us more than double the cost of Formeron to make a bottle of Follidrone.
Id have to sell it at 90$ to be equal in markup %.
So....I sort of take a hit on the Follidrone but....I figure Id rather have an amazing product and only make a few bucks than have a crap one or a mediocre one and make money. Yet Im still accused of greed :)
Cost is a huge reason why you see half doses and improper ingredients. The stuff is incredibly expensive.
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Lol folli will likely continue to sell well which means your supplier may be willing to cut the price for your continued business. Hopefully allowing you to make more $ for a while and hopefully cut the price someday.
 
cubsfan815 said:
I just want to try 8 weeks of Follidrone. I know my body, I know what I respond to. If it's anything like what I have read, I will be extremely happy. I have wasted a lot of money over the years on bunk products, but you never know until you try.

The compaines I trust are a short list, but that's ok because the handful of compaines I enjoy, cover everything I need.

I will prob go 1st 4 weeks Follidrone to see what it does, then week 4-8 will begin an 8 week Alphamax run possibly with ArA. I assume the Tongkat product should be fine with Alphamax as well.

If I don't see some changes in the mirror or the measuring tape after that, then I am doing something wrong!
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So far we have over 500 bottles of Follidrone out and 100% positive feedback. Itll work for sure.
I gave some to a buddy of mine recently. IFBB pro. Off season and not on any gears. He called me and said..."at first I was thinking placebo....it was just too good too fast." Better than EQ he said. Then he says but after a couple weeks and it just getting better and better there is no denying its the Follidrone. Another fan. One who is very hard to impress. Someone who runs like 4gram steroid cycles.
 
mtinsideout said:
Lol folli will likely continue to sell well which means your supplier may be willing to cut the price for your continued business. Hopefully allowing you to make more $ for a while and hopefully cut the price someday.
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At this pace....itll be outselling everything around soon.
 
brundel said:
Right and again....why we do this is so that companies like Biotivia who follow suit after we release will fail miserably to recreate our product.
This is not even close to our product. 50mg for one. compared to 200+
THere is something else there thats good to see. IM not gonna say it...but good luck with that one.
Most likely....large% chance...their product is chock full of stereoisomers and other catechins. The stuff you want...is (-)-epicatechin. Yes it matters.
THere could be 1mg (-)-epicatechin in there....SMH
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Dextrorotatory and levorotatory can have different pharmacokinetics, so your point is a valid one.
 
brundel said:
So far we have over 500 bottles of Follidrone out and 100% positive feedback. Itll work for sure.
I gave some to a buddy of mine recently. IFBB pro. Off season and not on any gears. He called me and said..."at first I was thinking placebo....it was just too good too fast." Better than EQ he said. Then he says but after a couple weeks and it just getting better and better there is no denying its the Follidrone. Another fan. One who is very hard to impress. Someone who runs like 4gram steroid cycles.
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brundel said:
So far we have over 500 bottles of Follidrone out and 100% positive feedback. Itll work for sure. I gave some to a buddy of mine recently. IFBB pro. Off season and not on any gears. He called me and said..."at first I was thinking placebo....it was just too good too fast." Better than EQ he said. Then he says but after a couple weeks and it just getting better and better there is no denying its the Follidrone. Another fan. One who is very hard to impress. Someone who runs like 4gram steroid cycles.
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Sounds good to me. I'm excited. I will try to do first 4 weeks solo, but it will be hard not to jump right in with the Alphamax.
 
I have a bottle of Follidrone that I have yet to crack open and try for myself so I reserve judgement when I actually run the product. I actually have a big chunk of stuff I haven't tried yet but got it based on positive reviews. Even if something works for 90% of the population, doesn't mean it's going to do the same for you.


Who cares what other company/brands are doing...let the logs speak for themselves and in turn you will have a huge backing of loyal and truthful consumers backing up said product (whichever it may be) whenever that product is mentioned. This, imo, is a million times better then flooding the market with expensive marketing
 
I need to get more because I am getting frustrated at just being strong. I had rugby and muay thai training the week after I got off of it and then again last week with a noticeable difference. We have a punch/kick mat to measure power and my kicks and punches were down 7% from the previous 4 weeks. Still ass kicking power (LOL), but not what I got spoiled with.

I haven't been to the gym in about a week and eating out every night on this trip, so I know I am going to need encouragement when I get back.
 
raz_kaz248 said:
I have a bottle of Follidrone that I have yet to crack open and try for myself so I reserve judgement when I actually run the product. I actually have a big chunk of stuff I haven't tried yet but got it based on positive reviews. Even if something works for 90% of the population, doesn't mean it's going to do the same for you.


Who cares what other company/brands are doing...let the logs speak for themselves and in turn you will have a huge backing of loyal and truthful consumers backing up said product (whichever it may be) whenever that product is mentioned. This, imo, is a million times better then flooding the market with expensive marketing
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Well said and very grass roots, which is exactly what builds loyalty.
 
kisaj said:
I need to get more because I am getting frustrated at just being strong. I had rugby and muay thai training the week after I got off of it and then again last week with a noticeable difference. We have a punch/kick mat to measure power and my kicks and punches were down 7% from the previous 4 weeks. Still ass kicking power (LOL), but not what I got spoiled with. I haven't been to the gym in about a week and eating out every night on this trip, so I know I am going to need encouragement when I get back.
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Ouch!!! LOL!
 
cbsharpe said:
Ouch!!! LOL!
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Right? I am right at deload week time which would normally be great for me, but I am on a business trip with a bunch of people that, well, don't care about themselves. haha Doing my best, but eating out for every meal is taxing even when I try to do well.
 
All clear has been sounded!

So Viron, I hope thats the name I forgot to go back and check.

Elevates Free test, so would it be wise to run while on Alphamax (1400mg Divanill, 300mg 95% L-Dopa, 75mg Arimistane, and 50mg F95) or would it just be redundant to an extent?
 
cubsfan815 said:
All clear has been sounded!

So Viron, I hope thats the name I forgot to go back and check.

Elevates Free test, so would it be wise to run while on Alphamax (1400mg Divanill, 300mg 95% L-Dopa, 75mg Arimistane, and 50mg F95) or would it just be redundant to an extent?
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Im willing to bet pretty much anything that there is no 95% divanil. Save your money. I know 2 reputable sources who tested a ton of supposed 95% extracts.
Most had literally none in it. A few had some but like 5%. I forget which company but one Im aware of was called out after testing. Its a scammy ingredient.

Ldopa i like. Im not sure how strong its test boosting potential is but there is some. I take a small portion every day. Like 50mg. Good dopamine boost.

We ran bloodwork on a number of guys using 75mg arimistane per day. It failed to alter estrogen levels in 100% of test subjects. We are not the only ones to show negative bloods. This on top of 0 research to support its use makes this also a no go in my.book.
 
clobrown said:
brundel, when can we get some " (-)-Gallocatechin 3-(3"-O-Methyl)gallate (synthetic) [(-)-GCg-3"-O-Me] " ???
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Do you have anything constructive to add?
 
clobrown said:
Well, I've contributed by keeping this thread alive and on the top of AM's Supplement sub-forum. Which is great for BLR, promotional wise. Also, there isn't much else to talk about since the product hasn't been in shelves since it's introductory sale. The least I can do for my friend brundel is keep the thread alive, active and fresh in the minds of potential customers. Your welcome, Piston Honda
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1) "You're"

2) would you like a cookie?
 
brundel said:
Im willing to bet pretty much anything that there is no 95% divanil. Save your money. I know 2 reputable sources who tested a ton of supposed 95% extracts.
Most had literally none in it. A few had some but like 5%. I forget which company but one Im aware of was called out after testing. Its a scammy ingredient.

Ldopa i like. Im not sure how strong its test boosting potential is but there is some. I take a small portion every day. Like 50mg. Good dopamine boost.

We ran bloodwork on a number of guys using 75mg arimistane per day. It failed to alter estrogen levels in 100% of test subjects. We are not the only ones to show negative bloods. This on top of 0 research to support its use makes this also a no go in my.book.
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He doesn't state 95% Diva..

Thats a product released by a company he reps who is also a board sponsor.

Also, if you have bloodwork then post it. Anyone can claim anything

I ate fruity o's today and my total t went from 859 to 2000+
 
brundel said:
Im willing to bet pretty much anything that there is no 95% divanil. Save your money. I know 2 reputable sources who tested a ton of supposed 95% extracts.
Most had literally none in it. A few had some but like 5%. I forget which company but one Im aware of was called out after testing. Its a scammy ingredient.

Ldopa i like. Im not sure how strong its test boosting potential is but there is some. I take a small portion every day. Like 50mg. Good dopamine boost.

We ran bloodwork on a number of guys using 75mg arimistane per day. It failed to alter estrogen levels in 100% of test subjects. We are not the only ones to show negative bloods. This on top of 0 research to support its use makes this also a no go in my.book.
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The % was in regards to the L-Dopa, and I meant 98%, it was not referring to the Divanill. As far as Arimistane, it is one of the most popular stand alones on this forum.

I wasn't asking you to pick apart the formula of a company I rep for and stand by. I was just asking if the tongkat/boron would be redundant mixed with a product that also elevates free test :)
 
kisaj said:
Right? I am right at deload week time which would normally be great for me, but I am on a business trip with a bunch of people that, well, don't care about themselves. haha Doing my best, but eating out for every meal is taxing even when I try to do well.
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I hear ya my friend. But I'm sure that you'll get back on track.
 
im still losing sleep wanting to order some xD it actually might be good its delayed a bit. since im almost done cutting and il be able to use it reverse dieting, MyoSynergy has been pretty impressive so far
 
cubsfan815 said:
The % was in regards to the L-Dopa, and I meant 98%, it was not referring to the Divanill. As far as Arimistane, it is one of the most popular stand alones on this forum.

I wasn't asking you to pick apart the formula of a company I rep for and stand by. I was just asking if the tongkat/boron would be redundant mixed with a product that also elevates free test :)
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I understand.
Not trying to assault the companies you stand by. Just stating the facts as I see them.
I dont think taking Viron with those will be any different than taking it without them.
 
brundel said:
I understand. And my point was that I dont believe those will elevate anything except perhaps your liver enzymes.
Not trying to assault the companies you stand by. Just stating the facts as I see them.
I dont think taking Viron with those will be any different than taking it without them.
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Bash other companies products but hype up your own? Bad form sir.

What about all the anecdotal support for erase? And alphmax? Are you saying that accounts for nothing? What does follidrone go by on exactly?
 
Jiigzz said:
Bash other companies products but hype up your own? Bad form sir. What about all the anecdotal support for erase? And alphmax? Are you saying that accounts for nothing? What does follidrone go by on exactly?
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Im not bashing the product and how exactly does it "hype my own"? Just stating again...that we ran blood tests with certain ingredients and they did not work. Period. these are facts. Also arimistane has literally no supporting research to indicate it is an AI. no research and negative bloodwork results = fail in my book. Follidrone is validated by literally dozens of studies and is currently being studied for use as a medication for the purpose of increasing muscle mass. Similar to the way steroids are used in medicine. Tons of supporting evidence, 0 supporting evidence. Which would you choose?
 
brundel said:
Im not bashing the product and how exactly does it "hype my own"? Just stating again...that we ran blood tests with certain ingredients and they did not work. Period. these are facts. Also arimistane has literally no supporting research to indicate it is an AI. no research and negative bloodwork results = fail in my book. Follidrone is validated by literally dozens of studies and is currently being studied for use as a medication for the purpose of increasing muscle mass. Similar to the way steroids are used in medicine. Tons of supporting evidence 0 supporting evidence. Which would you choose?
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Can I see this bloodwork?
 
I don't think it is an attempt to bash, everyone has different personalities some people just call things as they see them
 
brundel said:
Honestly if I thought it was for the sake of science and not just to argue with me Id look for it.
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I am genuinely interested. A lot of people have claimed Erase didnt touch e2 but noone has yet provided bloodwork to validate these claims.

If i said Green Tea extract increased my total T by 1000 and decreased e2, anyone would ask for proof.

Same goes here.
 
I respond to about 300 emails, PMs and posts per day.
I didnt even realize there was a product mentioned.
Hence the ingredient teardown. More an attempt to prevent stocking up on something than to attack a product that again....I didnt even realize was mentioned.
 
Jiigzz said:
I am genuinely interested. A lot of people have claimed Erase didnt touch e2 but noone has yet provided bloodwork to validate these claims.

If i said Green Tea extract increased my total T by 1000 and decreased e2, anyone would ask for proof.

Same goes here.
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Actually...ALOT of bad bloodwork has been posted on the net regarding arimistane.
Its not just me I assure you.
 
brundel said:
Actually...ALOT of bad bloodwork has been posted on the net regarding arimistane.
Its not just me I assure you.
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I have been looking for it but not had much luck. Ill try again
 
Jiigzz said:
I am genuinely interested. A lot of people have claimed Erase didnt touch e2 but noone has yet provided bloodwork to validate these claims.

If i said Green Tea extract increased my total T by 1000 and decreased e2, anyone would ask for proof.

Same goes here.
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Here is the funny thing about this.....I dont want to continue down this road. Its getting us nowhere but.....

Your saying if you said green tea increase test anyone would want proof.
Where exactly is the proof arimistane works? have you seen any?There is literally none. 0 nada nothing.
Not even one hint or part of a study....

Lots of guys saying they get joint pain...well so what...maybe its causing inflammation. This doesnt mean its lowering estrogen.
Lots of guys say they think its working but lets honest....how do they know their estrogen is low if they dont run bloodwork?
Guessing?
Not exactly proof.

We intended to use it in a product. So we ran tests. it failed. End of story for me. This happened with a TON of ingredients commonly used in supps.
We wont use it unless there is viable proof it works.
So to me...bloodwork = proof. and Nothing means well..no proof which is what arimistane has.

Any guess as to why the company that introduced it isnt using it anymore? It sure sold well. No reason to fix something unless its broken.

Follidrone= (-)-epicatechin has several studies Im aware of where blood results are included.
Arimistane not one.
 
Jiigzz said:
I have been looking for it but not had much luck. Ill try again
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My personal bloodwork went from 25 to 90 lol...On arimistane.
managed on aromasin. I switched and it almost quadrupled.

And yes I have the bloodwork.

Another guy, on this forum. One of our reps. I also have his before and after bloodwork.
Only his liver enzymes changed.
75mg arimistane.
 
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