If FOLLIDRONE is bunk & results R placebo Ill take placebo

mtinsideout said:
Even with all the nagging questions @Invalid Link Removed has done an excellent job at getting back to everyone and addressing concerns. I give him a lot of credit for not only putting out quality products but also for being one of the most engaging reps on this forum.
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Thanks bro

Keeping in mind Im also CEO, R&D, marketing, graphic design, shipping and receiving....etc etc...
Its tough to keep up with all the forum posts and still do a dozen jobs.

Part of my business model is making myself personally available and accountable.
If I say my products do xxx I am here to explain how and back it up with factual research and real world logs/reviews.
Guys can go directly to the owner and ask questions and get a relatively quick response.

I would MUCH rather there be tons of posts to answer though as this means there is alot of interest.
Follidrone is going to be the product to launch us into another level.
Ive never seen anything like it.
 
CJNator said:
What is this Viron supplement that everyone is talking about and what is special about it?
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Viron is a mix of-

Our version of a tongkat ali extract. Only we have this variety and its exceptional. In fact Ill stand by it being the best available.
Several people questioned this initially as expected so I gave some to 6 people. All said it measured up to or exceeded previous extracts they had used.

We also include Boron citrate for reducing SHBG and elevating FREE testosterone.

Ill try to finish the writeup tonight.

Currently its up for presale
 
saggy321 said:
Thanks Brundel. The fast is for religious reasons - so its ghandesk I suppose. I've done it before and have managed to just about retain muscle by lowering training volume, just a couple of sets per exercise, one heavy set and eating copious amounts of protein and cals between 10pm and 1am. I can easily hit 2200 kcals. I was just looking for something to maintain mass and help prioritize fat burning.
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Are you talking about ramadan?
 
I ran bloodwork on a few guys running DAA and also NMDA.
the only things that changed was elevated liver enzymes.
Multiple blood tests, multiple people.

Just sayin.
 
mechka_grizli said:
I disagree but understand your point of view. Seems to be hit or miss. Especially for the younger croud
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I appreciate you calling me young. lol

In all seriousness, I really need to learn to always put IMO when I talk about DAA. It is just one of those supplements that I despise and I tend to get a little passionate about it. It really is the only thing I have tried and hate.
 
kisaj said:
I appreciate you calling me young. lol

In all seriousness, I really need to learn to always put IMO when I talk about DAA. It is just one of those supplements that I despise and I tend to get a little passionate about it. It really is the only thing I have tried and hate.
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I'm sure I'm far younger than both of you, and in absolutely no way do I need a libido enhancer, but I just recently used DAA (via Testogen XR), and I can say I agree with you kisaj. Just a god awful supp

TKB was awesome tho, BLR did good there. I'm only 19 so I don't buy t-boosters (both the ones I named I got free), but if I were in the market for a tbooster; you can't go wrong with TKB.
 
kisaj said:
I appreciate you calling me young. lol

In all seriousness, I really need to learn to always put IMO when I talk about DAA. It is just one of those supplements that I despise and I tend to get a little passionate about it. It really is the only thing I have tried and hate.
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Actually left out the word "us" in that younger crowd statement. Im only 26 lol
 
kisaj said:
I appreciate you calling me young. lol

In all seriousness, I really need to learn to always put IMO when I talk about DAA. It is just one of those supplements that I despise and I tend to get a little passionate about it. It really is the only thing I have tried and hate.
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So you hate the actual product or the hype that surrounds it?
 
GreenMachineX said:
So you hate the actual product or the hype that surrounds it?
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For me- lower total test, increased estrogen, increased SHBG, not to mention terrible headaches. The thing is, most people that know this actually run labs instead of believing the old marketing 40% increase in test (which we all know doesn't mean anything in strength or mass building). Yes, it can work for some.

Anyhow, enough of that garbage. Back to FD.
 
kisaj said:
For me- lower total test, increased estrogen, increased SHBG, not to mention terrible headaches. The thing is, most people that know this actually run labs instead of believing the old marketing 40% increase in test (which we all know doesn't mean anything in strength or mass building). Yes, it can work for some. Anyhow, enough of that garbage. Back to FD.
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I just have to respectfully disagree. I don't see a 40% increase in test doing nothing. I understand u thinking that it's still within the normal range, but the results I have experienced are certainly not in my head. Higher test levels are higher test levels. To me this sounds like u think that a person taking AAS would have no greater gains if they raised their dosage by 100mg a week, which is certainly not the case. I experienced strength gains, increase in lean muscle, aggression, sky high libido. The last 8 week run I did I went from a not fat 225lbs to 240. Which for me is not easy as I am an ectomorph. Strength and endurance were up considerably. When I'm lifting 10+ lbs for compound movements after two weeks for the same reps it's not just magic. I didn't change my routine at all, just introduced some new supplements, DAA being one of the main ingredients. I can do some labs next time. I always say that everyone can be effected differently by different ingredients tho.
 
I know man, we have had this discussion before regarding the strength and mass benefits of increasing test within physiological range. I agreed that the benefit of possible better recovery and well being could add to increased workload in the gym, but it is not coming directly from the little test increase as it would if you were moving outside of range.

In any case, I don't want to carry this on because we have an amazing product being discussed in this thread and I can see this derailing hard.

My apologies for starting this.
 
kisaj said:
I know man, we have had this discussion before regarding the strength and mass benefits of increasing test within physiological range. I agreed that the benefit of possible better recovery and well being could add to increased workload in the gym, but it is not coming directly from the little test increase as it would if you were moving outside of range. In any case, I don't want to carry this on because we have an amazing product being discussed in this thread and I can see this derailing hard. My apologies for starting this.
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haha it's ok, and I agree and it's hard to even have a good discussion on this subject. All I know is I'm excited to put some epicatechin in my system lol
 
Guys it's simple economics, his demand is currently more than he can supply... If anything he has a right to raise prices lol
 
hurdlemaker said:
I just have to respectfully disagree. I don't see a 40% increase in test doing nothing. I understand u thinking that it's still within the normal range, but the results I have experienced are certainly not in my head. Higher test levels are higher test levels. To me this sounds like u think that a person taking AAS would have no greater gains if they raised their dosage by 100mg a week, which is certainly not the case. I experienced strength gains, increase in lean muscle, aggression, sky high libido. The last 8 week run I did I went from a not fat 225lbs to 240. Which for me is not easy as I am an ectomorph. Strength and endurance were up considerably. When I'm lifting 10+ lbs for compound movements after two weeks for the same reps it's not just magic. I didn't change my routine at all, just introduced some new supplements, DAA being one of the main ingredients. I can do some labs next time. I always say that everyone can be effected differently by different ingredients tho.
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Transient increases of test in the NORMAL range will not do anything for muscle mass(the effect is not linear in normal range). You are comparing increasing physiological test and supra physiological. Completely different. The only way a physiological increase would do anything is if that pushed you from a below normal range into normal.
 
I know week 1 reports are strong with Follidrone. Multiple guys gaining a pound every other day or so.
 
EatMoar said:
Jesus . What are they eating? 2000calories over maintenance ?
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I ate at maintenance and gained weight, but as of now, I actually lost a lot of weight due to the increased volume of working out/conditioning I've been doing without upping the cals even more. Plus, I'm running a lot of stims/fat burners. :D
 
I ate maintenance and gained 6lbs. I've had to up calories by 500 or so to stay there and have continued at 211 now and I am 2 weeks post run.
 
kisaj said:
I ate maintenance and gained 6lbs. I've had to up calories by 500 or so to stay there and have continued at 211 now and I am 2 weeks post run.
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This indicates you gained some muscle which....if it remains with the caloric increase will be as good as even a decent aas run.
6-10lbs muscle a year is good even for a pro BB lol.
Retained muscle of course. Not water bloat weight.
 
EatMoar said:
Wow, what dosage?
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2 capsules pre workout.
4 weeks.

12 guys I know of personally now have passed the 9lb mark in 4 weeks. IM sure there are more.
Quite a few guys in deficit gained 2-3lbs but lost several % BF so..the weight increase was actually higher overall.
 
brundel said:
2 capsules pre workout.
4 weeks.

12 guys I know of personally now have passed the 9lb mark in 4 weeks. IM sure there are more.
Quite a few guys in deficit gained 2-3lbs but lost several % BF so..the weight increase was actually higher overall.
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So what your saying is that it's more beneficial to take on cut?



Just say yes so I can pop my bottle open and do it already lol
 
brundel said:
2 capsules pre workout.
4 weeks.

12 guys I know of personally now have passed the 9lb mark in 4 weeks. IM sure there are more.
Quite a few guys in deficit gained 2-3lbs but lost several % BF so..the weight increase was actually higher overall.
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PH like gains. I need this.
 
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