Strongest appetite suppresant/ fat burner

T-Bone said:
Someone said gaining muscle and losing fat is not possible, but I didn't believe them.
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It's very possible. Almost every gym rat out there does this. They don't bulk or cut. They lift heavy, eat right, and slowly gain muscle and lose fat...and get in better shape. I just think bulking and cutting is more efficient...difference being you don't look your best year-round
 
Hell, you can even do it without lifting. In 2 of the forskolin studies, subjects didn't lift. They took 50mg forskolin a day and gained muscle and lost fat.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It's very possible. Almost every gym rat out there does this. They don't bulk or cut. They lift heavy, eat right, and slowly gain muscle and lose fat...and get in better shape. I just think bulking and cutting is more efficient...difference being you don't look your best year-round
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I see your point, but tbh have to adamantly disagree..
off the top, almost "every gym rat" as you mention it, looks continually the same yr after yr after yr, maybe over the long haul some thicker muscles (simply from the aging process itself and the phenomenon that is muscle maturity), but nothing in the way of any substantive accruals

fact is: yes while the conflicting forces that are cutting + adding muscle CAN be done simultaneously, it is extremely hard to do, and damn near impossible to accomplish in reality, unless some very special circumstances are in place (or one is just a rare genetic freak)

true muscle growth is pretty bastardized concept, but just doesn't "happen" without concerted and dedicated effort..
cutting while concurrently trying to give muscles sufficient nutrition for growth, is quite a bit more complicated than you seem to wish to acknowledge

ppl lose waterweight, they think they've lost fat..
gain a lb or two overnight? well it has to be muscle..
scary really, the lack of understanding on how the body works

T-Bone said:
I agree with the first part. Bulking and cutting I don't necessarily think should be done unless you're goal is bodybuilding and you plan on entering a competition. In the long run I just don't think "bulking" and "cutting" are healthy. I'm guessing the majority of bodybuilder types are more interested in aesthetics though and less interested in long term health.
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extremes are never good, and many ppl have no freaking clue how to "cut" or build muscle to begin with..
but, to generically state such is "unhealthy" or make a sweeping statement as your boldened above, is preposterous assumption to make
 
gigikay123 said:
Please post recommendations and links to purchase.
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Formutech Level II is the best appetite suppression on the market and stim that won't make you feel like you're on meth: Invalid Link Removed
 
T-Bone said:
Someone said gaining muscle and losing fat is not possible, but I didn't believe them.
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I remember you saying that it was impossible and me debating it. :)

It is definitely possible and occurs most noticeably in those who are overweight or have a short training history. Trying to do it after many years of lifting and sitting at less than 10% fat is very different, especially for natural athletes.
 
bdcc said:
Let us know how you get on. :)
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So my bottles of Norcodrene and AAv2 arrived in the mail this morning. Thankfully had not eaten yet so I went ahead and popped a full dose of both. First impressions...this stuff is legit. 3 hours in and I am not even the slightest bit hungry, and all I had was a couple of sips of a protein shake about an hour after taking them.

No noticeable jitters like I normally get with Aphamine, even jumping straight to 2 Norcodrene. However I do have that slight 'floating' feeling that I loved about OEP. I am completely awake and alert, running off of 1.5 hours of sleep. Only 'new' feeling I got with this stack is the heat in my stomach. I have never felt this before with any thermo pill. About 10 minutes after taking the pills my stomach lit up. The best way I can describe it is like you drank hot sauce on an empty stomach. I could literally put my hand on my stomach and feel the extra heat. It didn't hurt, but it was definitely a new feeling. It slowly dissipated over the next 30-40 minutes and now I am running with a nice warm glow all over. I have to say I have never gotten this intense of a result with a thermogenic and I can't wait for tonight to see how it works with my workout routine.

I will keep you guys updated with my progress, I will be using these in combination with a CKD that I have just come off my refeed day yesterday, so once again perfect timing getting the pills.
 
Aav2 at 9 caps ed is complete awesomeness
 
T-Bone said:
Tanelson, you must have a strong stim tollerance. I tried adding Aav2 to one cap of Norco and I freaked out. It was my second dose of Norco after taking 2 caps 5-6 hours earlier. I mean I was scared and considered going to the ER. I'm gonna try Aav2 later down the road again but avoid any other stimulants whatsoever when I take it. It was only 1 cap of Aav2.
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Yeah I have built up a pretty high tolerance to them, but everyone reacts differently to them. Honestly this stack is a lot smoother than a lot of other stims I have done in the past, really loving not having my hands shaking right now. Probably going to switch to decaf on my BPC to keep from overdoing it though, at least until I can gauge my tolerance to the Norcodrene a little more.
 
T-Bone said:
Hmm...I probably mis-understood what you were saying at the time. The older I get, the more that happens. Either that or I'm just losing my mind.
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Arent you close to your 6th decade now?
 
Level II Super Thermogenic Powder or Capsules - $4.95 - 3 - 1 Serving Level II Trial Packet - Grape


Just got this in the mail to try..
 
Did you take that on an empty stomach?
 
gigikay123 said:
Level II Super Thermogenic Powder or Capsules - $4.95 - 3 - 1 Serving Level II Trial Packet - Grape

Just got this in the mail to try..
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Best suppressant around imho
 
I've done worse... Lol.

Definitely not anymore but in my stim addiction that was a typical morning
 
You may need to look into BPS Adrenosurge

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If you can take Norcodrene and ephedrine without feeling anything I think you have some issues lol.
 
Misfit28 said:
I was just going to propose that your hunger may be coming from not drinking enough water.

5 cups is not a lot.
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i agree. Its not a lot for the average person, let alone some thats exercising and taking stimulants.

It should be at least 16 cups (1 gallon) per day minimum.

Im also interested to know what your diet is like...?

Are you eating sugar at all...? Sugary foods can make you hungry too.
 
I tried Thermogum yesterday for the first time. Had 2 pieces at 4pm when my workout started and my appetite was gone til bedtime at 10pm. Worked much better at appetite suppression than EC for me.
 
vujade said:
i agree. Its not a lot for the average person, let alone some thats exercising and taking stimulants. It should be at least 16 cups (1 gallon) per day minimum. Im also interested to know what your diet is like...? Are you eating sugar at all...? Sugary foods can make you hungry too.
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yes I should increase my water intake. I do have a piece if candy from time to time
 
gigikay123 said:
yes I should increase my water intake. I do have a piece if candy from time to time
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Simple sugars (candy) really should be avoided if trying to lose weight. Those are empty calories. Increase your water intake. Some studies recommend one half once water per pound of body weight.
 
T-Bone said:
She said "From time to time", no need to be anal about it. A piece of candy once in a while isn't going to make or break a diet.
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Lol. Yes, I agree but have known many that say that it's "just a piece from time to time and the reality is "wow, the whole candy bag is gone". Lol.
 
Bump this thread.
Anything that completely obliberates your appetite?
I mean something that is so strong you'll have a hard time drinking your morning coffee...
I'm doing IF and iT would be incredibly liberating to have disgust of food for the first half of the day...
 
Invalid Link Removed Without a doubt this is the strongest one I've touched in years. I have never felt this much insane energy in a while. I could go hrs without eating and you will sweat to death in the gym. It almost reminds me of the old Xenadrine rfa 1 with eph.
 
Level II is a thermo that destroys appetite. It won't kill cravings, but it will destroy your general appetite. You won't get hungry.
 
TrainPsycho said:
Bump this thread.
Anything that completely obliberates your appetite?
I mean something that is so strong you'll have a hard time drinking your morning coffee...
I'm doing IF and iT would be incredibly liberating to have disgust of food for the first half of the day...
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Dude, check out Formutech Level 2. It has the best appetite suppression I've found anywhere without making you nauseous. great energy and mood support too.

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Looking into it...
Great sale going on.

Can you please provide a little more details?
Is the appetite suppression more like "I'm not hungry but I could eat if I needed to" or "Oh ****, whey shake coming up, how the hell am I going to keep that in" ?
 
TrainPsycho said:
Looking into it...
Great sale going on.

Can you please provide a little more details?
Is the appetite suppression more like "I'm not hungry but I could eat if I needed to" or "Oh ****, whey shake coming up, how the hell am I going to keep that in" ?
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hahaha it's more like your first option there. No hunger, but allows you to eat when you need to. You'll feel full pretty quickly though but won't have any of that uncomfortable nausea
 
The mix of Norcodrene and Diablo in the morning made it difficult to finish my coffee in the morning. Actually, it made it so hard that after 60 days of it, I still get kind of sick drinking the coffee because my brain just doesn't enjoy it as much anymore - so I stopped drinking it.
 
HIT4ME said:
The mix of Norcodrene and Diablo in the morning made it difficult to finish my coffee in the morning. Actually, it made it so hard that after 60 days of it, I still get kind of sick drinking the coffee because my brain just doesn't enjoy it as much anymore - so I stopped drinking it.
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that doesn't sound like a desirable effect at all...
 
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