First cycle help please!

Silverwolf

Silverwolf

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Hi everyone, first time posting but I've been browsing the forums for awhile. I am 22, 185 pounds with single digit body fat and have been lifting for 6+ years. Although I continue to gain strength I feel like I'm ready to finally run a cycle. Basically my goals out of using pro-hormones are to finally reach that next level. I want to be super saiyan 4 come summer time and the only way I can get there is by entering the hyperbolic time chamber.

What I plan on running is:

finaflex 1-andro for 6 weeks
cycle support throughout
alongside my regular maintenance supps (glucosamine,msm,fishoil,multis,ginkgo)

for pct:
Nolvadex at 40/20/20/10 per week
cycle support
maintenance supps
AI and test boosters

My question is how does my pct look?
Should I run an AI mid cycle or am I being too paranoid?
Would it be a bad idea to stack pro-hormones on my first run? For ex. epstane

Initially I had planned on running an epstane cycle since I already have a bottle but a study on ergo-log about 3-beta-hydroxy-5-alpha-androst-1-en-17-one changed my mind.
Thanks for any help or suggestions and I look forward to being a part of this community!
 
Your young but it's your choice.

I'd go 8 weeks cycle length, at least 4 caps to start, maybe up to 6 after 4 weeks.
Will get pricey though.

Be prepared to lose your libido, so have something to help on cycle and in pct if you wanna use your junk.

No need to dose nolva so high.
20/20/10/10 is fine.
I'd always advise the use of an AI.
Start week 3 of pct and run 2 weeks past the nolva and taper off.
 
Peppers said:
Your young but it's your choice.

I'd go 8 weeks cycle length, at least 4 caps to start, maybe up to 6 after 4 weeks.
Will get pricey though.

Be prepared to lose your libido, so have something to help on cycle and in pct if you wanna use your junk.

No need to dose nolva so high.
20/20/10/10 is fine.
I'd always advise the use of an AI.
Start week 3 of pct and run 2 weeks past the nolva and taper off.
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Okay thank you that's just what I needed to know! I figured it's better to be safe than sorry. Do you think 1-andro is a good starter ph or would you or anyone recommend something better?
 
I actually liked 1 andro, but it's costly and you could get better results for cheaper.

If you already have all of those supports supps listed, I'd run something else.

Mechabol would be legit, Halo or DMZ low dosed.
 
The ph is the only thing I haven't purchased yet. The primary reason I chose 1-andro is because of the study I read... Appreciate the advice guys, I'll look into mecha!
 
To be honest I've spent last few hours comparing epi to dmz, is there any reason why you think ep would be better for first run?
 
mw1 said:
Grab Halo or Epi for your first cycle and run it with Cycle Assist for 4-6 weeks followed by Nolva at 20,20,20,10 and SNO DAA or PCT Assist
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^this, its all you need for your cycle. Keeping it simple with the cycle mw1 has above will always be better than complicating things an stacking different compounds, especially for a first cycle.
 
Epi is hit or miss.

But for your goals, DMZ is gunna be a way better choice. Don't get crazy with the dosing and I'm sure you'll be happy.
 
As long as you keep the dosage reasonable dmz will have no more sides than epi but put on more mass. Once you go up to 60 or more you will have more sides than epi.
 
Dmz with trestobol would be a good first run..

Really anything like epi, dmz, halo, msten... All good first cycles..

But if you actually want to feel good in the absence of testosterone I would use mestebol or trestobol
 
ezjax said:
Dmz with trestobol would be a good first run..

Really anything like epi, dmz, halo, msten... All good first cycles..

But if you actually want to feel good in the absence of testosterone I would use mestebol or trestobol
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Bad advice, methylstenbolone is not a good first cycle. And really, you shouldn't be stacking to much for your first cycle either. Dmz at lower doses would be fine.
 
Thanks guys, I'm here to soak up any and all information so everything is helpful. I plan on starting a log next week once I get everything
 
I would run dmz at exactly 30 mg for 5 weeks. That would be one bottle of lgi dmz-15. You won't need a test base at that dosage. Run it with cel cycle assist, and run novla 20/20/10/10 in pct with daa and formeron.
 
reps4jesus said:
Bad advice, methylstenbolone is not a good first cycle. And really, you shouldn't be stacking to much for your first cycle either. Dmz at lower doses would be fine.
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never undestood the whole work your way up ideology.. and if i could do it over again msten or superdrol would be my first cycle..

im not going to argue with you, but trestobol or mestebol will help more than harm in absence of testosterone..

i know i wouldnt be able to get a boner at week 5 of any of those without mestebol or trestobol in the absence of testosterone
 
Trest will help any cycle. That being said it does complicate the cycle a lot and I wouldn't use it on a first cycle necessarily. Stano wouldn't be a bad thing to add though.
 
stano at 1.5-2g or mestebol at 70mg... i know what i would choose.. not to mention 2g of stano isnt a tenth as strong as mestebol mg for mg
 
I like trest but I wouldn't advise it for a first cycle. Most ppl will be fine with stano at 600-800 with 30 of dmz. I recently used stano preworkout only on my last cycle which was quite effective.
 
ezjax said:
never undestood the whole work your way up ideology.. and if i could do it over again msten or superdrol would be my first cycle..

im not going to argue with you, but trestobol or mestebol will help more than harm in absence of testosterone..

i know i wouldnt be able to get a boner at week 5 of any of those without mestebol or trestobol in the absence of testosterone
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The work your way up ideology Is based on the fact when your first starting out (no matter how much research you have done) you don't know how to handle sides. Starting with something like hdrol, epi, or low dose dmz you can firstly see how you react to steroids, and also learn how to take care of any sides that may come your way.
On a different note, some people want huge gains their first cycle and don't care about sides. In which case I would still start out with dmz over sd.
Also you don't really need a test base for these cycles. Stano would be fine, but 2g is way to much. 1g is fine.
 
reps4jesus said:
The work your way up ideology Is based on the fact when your first starting out (no matter how much research you have done) you don't know how to handle sides. Starting with something like hdrol, epi, or low dose dmz you can firstly see how you react to steroids, and also learn how to take care of any sides that may come your way.
On a different note, some people want huge gains their first cycle and don't care about sides. In which case I would still start out with dmz over sd.
Also you don't really need a test base for these cycles. Stano would be fine, but 2g is way to much. 1g is fine.
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i got no benefit from stano at 1-2grams.. yet mestebol i get benefit from 2caps on a "harsh" cycle..

i am saying what i would do. im not telling anyone what they should do..

i would appreciate if you didnt tell me whats fine or not fine to me.. and maybe have a bit of an open mind...


you could be on "advanced" cycle.. never have estrogen side effects and then finally get them..


no steroid prepares you for another steroid thats just a ridiculous internet warrior fallacy..

dmz or hdrol doesnt "prepare" you for sd or an epi trestobol stack.. think about what you are saying.. it makes no sense at all really.

some guys dont get estrogen side effects from testosterone at 500mg weekly but they do with 1g test 300mg deca..

so how did the 500mg test solo cycle "prepare" them.. please enlighten me.
 
ezjax said:
i got no benefit from stano at 1-2grams.. yet mestebol i get benefit from 2caps on a "harsh" cycle..

i am saying what i would do. im not telling anyone what they should do..

i would appreciate if you didnt tell me whats fine or not fine to me.. and maybe have a bit of an open mind...

you could be on "advanced" cycle.. never have estrogen side effects and then finally get them..

no steroid prepares you for another steroid thats just a ridiculous internet warrior fallacy..

dmz or hdrol doesnt "prepare" you for sd or an epi trestobol stack.. think about what you are saying.. it makes no sense at all really.

some guys dont get estrogen side effects from testosterone at 500mg weekly but they do with 1g test 300mg deca..

so how did the 500mg test solo cycle "prepare" them.. please enlighten me.
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I'm not telling YOU what's fine, I'm telling the OP that 2g of stano is not a correct dosing recommendation. If 1g of stano isn't enough the OP can always up it, but its probably not needed, especially if he's running hdrol or low dose dmz.
I in no way knocked mestabol. I don't think it's harsh at all. It would be a fine addition to a first cycle actually.
And I'm not going to try and explain why you start with a more mild compound again. Because I already did, And you failed to comprehend my post.
I don't see an argument here? Im trying to have an educated discussion.
 
reps4jesus said:
I'm not telling YOU what's fine, I'm telling the OP that 2g of stano is not a correct dosing recommendation. If 1g of stano isn't enough the OP can always up it, but its probably not needed, especially if he's running hdrol or low dose dmz. I in no way knocked mestabol. I don't think it's harsh at all. It would be a fine addition to a first cycle actually. And I'm not going to try and explain why you start with a more mild compound again. Because I already did, And you failed to comprehend my post. I don't see an argument here? Im trying to have an educated discussion.
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i actually asked you how hdrol would prepare someone for superdrol... and how one compound prepares you for another.. questions i know you cant answer.. because the logic doesnt add up
 
ezjax said:
i actually asked you how hdrol would prepare someone for superdrol... and how one compound prepares you for another.. questions i know you cant answer.. because the logic doesnt add up
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It will allow your body to adapt to the sides....
 
ezjax said:
i actually asked you how hdrol would prepare someone for superdrol... and how one compound prepares you for another.. questions i know you cant answer.. because the logic doesnt add up
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Hvahtech's answer. Also hdrol would give maintainable gains. Sd gains would be lost post cycle quickly due to lack of experience in pct.
There are many other reasons why you shouldn't start with sd.
 
There's some evidence of tolerance when using steroids; if you start with a lighter cycle you'll tend to have good effects but need to increase it for future cycles. This happens more rapidly if you cycle too often. Also, identifying what's a side and what's normal during a cycle is something you learn from experience.
 
reps4jesus said:
Hvahtech's answer. Also hdrol would give maintainable gains. Sd gains would be lost post cycle quickly due to lack of experience in pct.
There are many other reasons why you shouldn't start with sd.
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allows your body to adapt to sides.. lol..ok...we will have to agree to disagree on this one..
 
logic is invalid.. same steroid at higher doses can give side effects not present at low doses leaving you unprepared..

no steroid prepares you for another steroid.

you can make the arguement not to stack so you know what causes what but not that a user should work their way up to a stronger steroid..

testosterone does not prepare you for tren.. and some people get less side effects from superdrol than testosterone
 
Again, I can't thank everyone enough for their input. As far as sides go, the primary damage I'm worried about is gyno. I took epstane for half a week and stopped early out of paranoia because my nipples were feeling tingly. Reading further I know it's not uncommon for guys to experience this soley because the hormone imbalance. At this point I feel mature enough to push through and see where it takes me, while taking any precautions along the way.
 
NEED HELP

THIS IS MY FIRST CYCLE EVER SO WONDERING IF YOU CAN GIVE ME SOME ADVICE WANT TO START A 12 WEEK CYCLE OF TEST E AND TREN E ANY IDEA ON THE BEST WAY TO STACK THIS AND BE ABLE TO SEE GOOD GAINS AND ALSO IF YOU DON'T MIND PCT HELP WOULD BE GREAT
 
jerrynjoku said:
THIS IS MY FIRST CYCLE EVER SO WONDERING IF YOU CAN GIVE ME SOME ADVICE WANT TO START A 12 WEEK CYCLE OF TEST E AND TREN E ANY IDEA ON THE BEST WAY TO STACK THIS AND BE ABLE TO SEE GOOD GAINS AND ALSO IF YOU DON'T MIND PCT HELP WOULD BE GREAT
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MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD AND WE WILL HELP ALSO DON'T TALK IN ALL CAPS. also when you make your thread don't make it 1 big paragraph or no one will bother reading it.
 
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