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1st Cycle - Help Is Appreciated

Work.Play

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Hi Everyone.

I'm wanting to run my first PH cycle this summer and am looking for quality advice for the whole process.

First I am 21 years old, 6 ft, 210 lbs, about 14% BF - Been lifting seriously for over 3 or 4 years

I am an easy gainer and I really would like to focus on more aesthetics but I really want/need to put on more strength. So my goals are to decrease BF primarily but I also understand that I will be putting on some lbs.

So looking for a quality PH product to start with. I've done some research and found that a popular one is Epistane and then 1-Andro. Looking for a 6 to 8 week cycle.

Also suggestions for OCT and PCT as well as general advice would be awesome.

Thanks guys, I appreciate it.
 
I'm all for steroid use. However, if your an "easy gainer" please don't use steroids. Please continue to make gains and when it tops off then start on something like epistane. I can't tell you what id give to be an "easy gainer"
 
reps4jesus said:
I'm all for steroid use. However, if your an "easy gainer" please don't use steroids. Please continue to make gains and when it tops off then start on something like epistane. I can't tell you what id give to be an "easy gainer"
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^^^^everything he said
 
reps4jesus said:
I'm all for steroid use. However, if your an "easy gainer" please don't use steroids. Please continue to make gains and when it tops off then start on something like epistane. I can't tell you what id give to be an "easy gainer"
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It's not all it's cracked up to be. I'm def an easy gainer. Even now I can bulk and add strength natty. However, I'll add far more fat when doing so natty. My calories on my current bulk are around 3500 which isn't much past my TDEE and I've added 14 lb of lbm in a month, mostly cleanly.
 
Mystere3 said:
It's not all it's cracked up to be. I'm def an easy gainer. Even now I can bulk and add strength natty. However, I'll add far more fat when doing so natty. My calories on my current bulk are around 3500 which isn't much past my TDEE and I've added 14 lb of lbm in a month, mostly cleanly.
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This is what I meant by saying I was an Easy Gainer, I put on more fat than muscle. Sorry about that, it definitely wasn't the best statement of me to say.

Anyway, I would really still appreciate some suggestions, I want to make this first cycle count because I've heard it usually yields the best results. I also would obviously love to sustain the gains but I understand that doesn't always happen.

Thanks again.
 
Work.Play said:
This is what I meant by saying I was an Easy Gainer, I put on more fat than muscle. Sorry about that, it definitely wasn't the best statement of me to say.

Anyway, I would really still appreciate some suggestions, I want to make this first cycle count because I've heard it usually yields the best results. I also would obviously love to sustain the gains but I understand that doesn't always happen.

Thanks again.
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Halodrol
50/75/75/75/75/75
Maybe up to 100. I did 100 for 3 weeks and it was Awesome.

Eat at or above maintenance and do HIIT 3 days a week and you'll be good. Or do Epi but I've never used it so I can't speak on it. Dosing is different. I've read the best for a beginner is 40ED for 6 weeks.

And if you're gonna run a PH you need a SERM. Plain and simple. If I wasn't on my phone id post a link explaining why but I can't. But just google it.
 
I'd go with Epi.

Epi 30/45/45/45/45/45
AR1MACARE PRO at 4 caps/day

for PCT
either Nolva at 20/20/10/10 or Clomid at 50/50/25/25
SUP3R PCT at 4/4/3/3/2/1

That should make you happy.
 
Devildog_ said:
Halodrol 50/75/75/75/75/75 Maybe up to 100. I did 100 for 3 weeks and it was Awesome. Eat at or above maintenance and do HIIT 3 days a week and you'll be good. Or do Epi but I've never used it so I can't speak on it. Dosing is different. I've read the best for a beginner is 40ED for 6 weeks. And if you're gonna run a PH you need a SERM. Plain and simple. If I wasn't on my phone id post a link explaining why but I can't. But just google it.
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I would agree, but I'd start at 75mg and work up to 100 for the last 2-3 weeks. At 210 pounds I think you'll need it. Epi is good, but it tends to be a hit or miss. Doesn't work for me, but some people swear by it. If it works, it usually works damn well.
 
I know there are some Olympus Labs guys in here and I've read great things about your brand but what does everyone else believe the best Epi on the market is? Also, is there a certain stack (complete with OCT and PCT) available that has pretty good value? TIA
 
Lots of politics bro be careful. Do your own research. Listen to the people in here though. (Advice)
 
You can't go wrong with any board sponsor to be honest.

Olympus Labs
Ironflex
Celtic Labs

Few more good options in the market. Compare prices and pick the cheapest one - I think our clone is cheapest with that OLYMPUS15 discount code at Orbit Nutrition.
 
The man above me said it :)


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With 15% off and only need for that one bottle its a very cost effective option for a cycle.
 
I personally wouldn't run epi for a first cycle simply bc a decent percentage of people don't respond well to it. I'd run halo, mechabol, or dmz.
 
While some people respond well to Epi it can be dry which can hinder lifting if you experience joint discomfort and not the best strength compound.

You already have a decent foundation, I think something like DMZ would be good for the strength aspect.

You could run 30mg for 5 weeks and 45mg for the last week(minus 1 day cause you would be 1 pill short) off of 1 bottle of Celtic Labs DMZ.

For a cycle layout my preference

Celtic Labs DMZ
30/30/30/30/30/45

Anteaus Labs Talos for cycle support

Staple supps

Multi - i like Orange Triad
Fish oil - I like Oximega
Creatine - Bulk mono - ON or Allmax

Taurine incase of back pumps

PCT
Nolva
20/20/10/10

AI Sodium DAA
3g/3g/3g/3g

AI on hand in case of estrogen sensitivity on cycle or pct. I prefer exemestane dosed 12.5mg as needed.

If your really daring you could stack it with Celtic Sten which is a 90 count m-sten dosed at 10mg a pill for 20mg a day throughout the cycle, but if doing this I would also run Anteaus labs Aegis for added liver support with TUDCA and NAC.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
You can't go wrong with any board sponsor to be honest.

Olympus Labs
Ironflex
Celtic Labs

Few more good options in the market. Compare prices and pick the cheapest one - I think our clone is cheapest with that OLYMPUS15 discount code at Orbit Nutrition.
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Thank you for the response. Is there any type of stack that will combine the Epi with some OCT and PCT? Also, can this be run on a 6-week cycle? From what I've read, most have dosages are for a four week, or do you think a four week cycle is sufficient enough?

And I know people have recommended a SERM while on-cycle (I believe). Should this be bought separate?

Thanks again for your and everyone else's help....just trying to make sure this cycle is worth it.
 
Work.Play said:
Thank you for the response. Is there any type of stack that will combine the Epi with some OCT and PCT? Also, can this be run on a 6-week cycle? From what I've read, most have dosages are for a four week, or do you think a four week cycle is sufficient enough?And I know people have recommended a SERM while on-cycle (I believe). Should this be bought separate? Thanks again for your and everyone else's help....just trying to make sure this cycle is worth it.
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Nutriverse has "EP15TANE Perfect Cycle". Not sure if it is cheaper than buying all of those items separately from Orbit with that discount code though.

SERM is needed POST cycle.

I'd run it like this:

Cycle and supports:
- EP15TANE 30/45/45/45/45/45 (1 bottle needed)
- AR1MACARE PRO 4 caps/day (2 bottles needed but there will be leftovers for your next cycle too)

PCT:
- SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1 (1 bottle needed)
- Nolva at 20/20/10/10 or Clomid at 50/50/25/25

You can get SERMs for your lab rats from sponsors of anabolics section, for example Hardcore Peptides. Discount code AM20 gives you 20% off there. 30ml bottle of Nolva (tamoxifen citrate) is enough.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Nutriverse has "EP15TANE Perfect Cycle". Not sure if it is cheaper than buying all of those items separately from Orbit with that discount code though.

SERM is needed POST cycle.

I'd run it like this:

Cycle and supports:
- EP15TANE 30/45/45/45/45/45 (1 bottle needed)
- AR1MACARE PRO 4 caps/day (2 bottles needed but there will be leftovers for your next cycle too)

PCT:
- SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1 (1 bottle needed)
- Nolva at 20/20/10/10 or Clomid at 50/50/25/25

You can get SERMs for your lab rats from sponsors of anabolics section, for example Hardcore Peptides. Discount code AM20 gives you 20% off there. 30ml bottle of Nolva (tamoxifen citrate) is enough.
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Just ordered the stack from Nutri-verse.

Also I've read up some on the SERM now and am wondering about the side effects with either Nolva or Clomid. Not gonna lie, kind of nervous about that so what can I really expect? Which would you guys recommend?

TIA
 
Work.Play said:
Thank you for the response. Is there any type of stack that will combine the Epi with some OCT and PCT? Also, can this be run on a 6-week cycle? From what I've read, most have dosages are for a four week, or do you think a four week cycle is sufficient enough?

And I know people have recommended a SERM while on-cycle (I believe). Should this be bought separate?

Thanks again for your and everyone else's help....just trying to make sure this cycle is worth it.
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Ok before you think about touching prohormones/designer steroids or anything steroidal in nature there is still a ton you have to learn. So please be smart and research for a couple more months before jumping into something.
 
Work.Play said:
Just ordered the stack from Nutri-verse.

Also I've read up some on the SERM now and am wondering about the side effects with either Nolva or Clomid. Not gonna lie, kind of nervous about that so what can I really expect? Which would you guys recommend?

TIA
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Side effects from phs are no problem but sides from nolva scare you? Go do some more research. Do you even know what a serm is or does?
 
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