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AMP Citrate: The new DMAA????

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Hydra said:
Post the MSDS sheet that states AMP Citrate is caustic.
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Let me know if you need me to post the definition for the word "corrosive".

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Hydra said:
You are making assumptions with zero evidence about a powdered ingredient based on an MSDS sheet for a volatile liquid. You have no proof or evidence to suggest that characteristics of one would be the same as the other.
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MSDS said:
【Appearance】white or almost white [size=+3]powder[/size]

【Safety】
Poison by intravenous route. [size=+2]Moderately toxic by ingestion and skin contact.[/size] Mildly toxic by inhalation. A dangerous fire and explosion hazard when exposed to heat or flame; can react vigorously with oxidizing materials. To fight fire, use foam, CO2, dry chemical. When heated to decomposition it emits toxic fumes of NOx.

Hazard Codes: [size=+2]Corrosive[/size] , Flammable

Risk Statements about 1,3-Dimethylbutylamine (CAS No.108-09-8):

R11: Highly flammable.
R22: [size=+2]Harmful if swallowed.[/size]
R34: [size=+2]Causes burns.[/size]
R20/21/22: [size=+2]Harmful by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed.[/size]
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I think I might dump some on my skin tmw and video it for you guys if it burns it.

I've been using AMP 5x a week since maybe February at the latest and I have zero negative interactions to report.
 
Good news. It didn't burn my skin.
I submerged my entire hand into the tub to grab the scoop.
 
i honestly feel like the back of my throat still has this strange sensation, and i haven't used it in 6 days now since throwing it away. might even get it checked soon
 
That's called a placebo symptom.
The kind that pops up the minute something like this gets talked about lol.
 
I'm fairly stim-sensitive and haven't noticed much from taking AMP solo.
 
I tried the caps solo and then with caffeine. Similar to DMAA but i think DMAA had much more of a focus effect then the AMP. Also after a few days of use tolerance built up and the crash sucked. I wouldnt use it again.. not worth the yo-yo feeling!
 
Have not used any of the newer Amp products yet, but mainly because my old pre-workout stash is so dang expansive my fiance is forcing me to use all my older stuff before buying new ones.
 
Geoforce said:
Have not used any of the newer Amp products yet, but mainly because my old pre-workout stash is so dang expansive my fiance is forcing me to use all my older stuff before buying new ones.
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It only gets worse lol. Once they start catching on to the massive stash... Expect an earful every time there is a box at the door. (Even though my wife is surprisingly good about it, I even hear it from family members)
 
NO_HYPE said:
I'm actually curious as to the feedback from those who've been running AMP regularly as a standalone, as one could only imagine that it's getting pixie-dusted into most of the other proprietary blends. I'm assuming Genomyx's 150 mg per-cap is the highest dose, but I dunno.
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The highest dose is actually Ampitropin's 300 mg per-cap. It also comes with 150 mg caffeine and 150 mg picamilon. I took my BP after taking one of these a couple of days and it was well within the normal range, maybe a slight elevation like you would get with a low DMAA dose but that's it. Maybe the picamilon mitigates some of the negatives, who knows. Just my two cents.

There have been some reviewers taking up to 3 caps a day (i.e. 900 mg AMP Citrate) with no ill effects apparently. I know this is anecdotal but it's better than nothing.
 
NO_HYPE said:
Yeah while AMP citrate may indeed acquire some ergogenic potential, and ultimately turn out to be safe.... I'm not gonna be taking this stuff anytime soon, but I'm thinking it shouldn't have much of a shelf-life anyways, once the FDA targets it's non-compliant status.
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Appreciate the post, NO HYPE. I'm on the sidelines for a while. Will observe the feedback of others before taking the plunge.

Thanks,
Monte
 
People attempting to Grasp at straws with MSDS data. I would ask what's the data backing the MSDS. IF MSDS was the standard, there many common dietary ingredients that would fall victim.

Agendas.... its never fact or truth just portrayed as such.
 
Afi140 said:
It only gets worse lol. Once they start catching on to the massive stash... Expect an earful every time there is a box at the door. (Even though my wife is surprisingly good about it, I even hear it from family members)
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Dose is way to high, companies are dummies for listening to the raw material supplier. But that is the state of the industry, no real R&D...
 
USPlabsRep said:
People attempting to Grasp at straws with MSDS data.
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Nope. Just posting data from the MSDS.... The only data available.


USPlabsRep said:
I would ask what's the data backing the MSDS.
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What do you mean what's the data? It's the same data that paramedics and emergency responders use. Nonetheless, the determination of a compound's physical and chemical properties is done under ANSI, EPA, OSHA, WHMIS, or EEC guidelines. Is that not good enough for you? rofl


USPlabsRep said:
IF MSDS was the standard
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It's not and nobody said it was either.


USPlabsRep said:
there many common dietary ingredients that would fall victim.
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How many of those common dietary ingredients are caustic and have zero safety data? K.... thanx


USPlabsRep said:
Agendas
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lol


USPlabsRep said:
its never fact or truth just portrayed as such.
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Kinda like a USPlabs add.


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eaturs said:
The highest dose is actually Ampitropin's 300 mg per-cap. It also comes with 150 mg caffeine and 150 mg picamilon. I took my BP after taking one of these a couple of days and it was well within the normal range, maybe a slight elevation like you would get with a low DMAA dose but that's it. Maybe the picamilon mitigates some of the negatives, who knows. Just my two cents.

There have been some reviewers taking up to 3 caps a day (i.e. 900 mg AMP Citrate) with no ill effects apparently. I know this is anecdotal but it's better than nothing.

supplementreviews.com/forum/index.php?topic=28448.0
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I never did return my AMPitropin and actually used it. First 3 times, 1 cap each time, it friggin blew me away. After that, nada, tolerance built up to it and I have been unable to get that really good razor shark energy back. I also do not wish to just keep dosing more and more of the stuff to chase the feeling.

So EVOL was a bust and it appears that AMPitropin is a bust for me. Tolerance is definitely an issue with AMP citrate which makes it a not very good ingredient.
 
couldnt you just dose amp citrate for 2-3 workouts, caffeine for 3-4 workouts, dmaa 2-3 workouts if tolerance is an issue and stay "fresh" with the build up of tolerance. or does the tolerance from one stimulant effect the other?
 
De__eB said:
Not exactly how that works.
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why is that, if stims dont need to be saturated why couldnt you cycle through them for different pick me up type effects? is it as simple cns issue? meaning that even if they are not the same/feel the same, the pathway to the stimulant "up" effect in the cns is the same, so it makes no difference in tolerance or am i completely lost here? seems like people dont all of a sudden claim to not feel caffeine so im confused as to how all this works and would affect one another.
 
squirtguns89 said:
why is that, if stims dont need to be saturated why couldnt you cycle through them for different pick me up type effects? is it as simple cns issue? meaning that even if they are not the same/feel the same, the pathway to the stimulant "up" effect in the cns is the same, so it makes no difference in tolerance or am i completely lost here? seems like people dont all of a sudden claim to not feel caffeine so im confused as to how all this works and would affect one another.
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They act on similar receptors, and the issue with tolerance is at the level of the receptor.
 
NO_HYPE said:
Nope. Just posting data from the MSDS.... The only data available.




What do you mean what's the data? It's the same data that paramedics and emergency responders use. Nonetheless, the determination of a compound's physical and chemical properties is done under ANSI, EPA, OSHA, WHMIS, or EEC guidelines. Is that not good enough for you? rofl




It's not and nobody said it was either.




How many of those common dietary ingredients are caustic and have zero safety data? K.... thanx




lol




Kinda like a USPlabs add.


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You are using irrelevant data to instigate not JUST posting MSDS. You know you are...


Berberine for one and don't act dumb and clueless when the facts are against you. You have plenty of time on your hands to google as that's what you do best...Google and copy/paste all day long.

How you portray yourself if false. You claim to workout. You claim to be a tough guy...but that's not the truth. It can be revealed. How about leaving your snobby traits at the other boards you ruin...
 
Kinda like a USPlabs add.


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Or Kinda like a Man arrested for road rage for assaulting a woman...

if you see his picture, the woman may have won the fight just not started it..,.
 
USPlabsRep said:
Kinda like a USPlabs add.

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Or Kinda like a Man arrested for road rage for assaulting a woman...

if you see his picture, the woman may have won the fight just not started it..,.[/QUOTE]

You just blew my fckn mind dude
 
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