1st cycle thread

shtsangiggles

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Hello to all.
My name is Matt and I was hoping for some advice. I have been reading the forums for many weeks now and finaly decided to post.
Now my first cycle will be a oral only (I know, I know much better to run with injectables for keeping the gains. My second cycle will be injectable, probably with a 4 week 40mg ed dbol kicker) and just wanted experienced peoples views on my plan before I go ahead with it.
So first things first, stats:
Age 24
Height 6ft 2
Weight 190lbs
Around 15%
I have been training on and off for about 8 years in the past mainly to keep fit and add a little muscle. About a month ago decided I wanted to get "bulked up" so changed my diet around to add more carbs and protein upped my exercise weights and lowered the reps. All in all it works fairly well. But Ive adopted a go big or go home approach which is why I am here.

So here is my intake plan while on cycle. 5000 carbs per day, 380-400g protein (maybe overkill?) per day and lots and lots of water.
The supplements I will be taking are total protein, essential amino acids, creatine and probably a dose or 2 of hyperbolic mass from usn which I got for free from a friend. Along with these I will be taking on milk thisle and cod liver oil and multivitamins.

Now down to my cycle. I will be going for an 8 week cycle using both dbol and anavar as follows:
Dbol weeks 1-5 40mg ed
Anavar weeks 4-5 50mg ed and weeks 6-8 70mg ed (too low?)
Havnt decided if I am going to use aromasin as ai weeks 7-8 as I dont know if its needed or not.
Pct I will be using nolvadex and clomid over 4 weeks as follows:
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50 (maybe 2nd week 50?)

Anyway thats my plan. All input is welcome and any help/advice is greatly appreciated!
 
I'd recommend to read a bit more and plan a better cycle and a good PCT protocol after that.

I wouldn't recommend to stack two methylated compounds (at least without test or trest) and your Clomid/Nolva dosages are way too high.
 
I agree with g0hardorgohom.

Split up the use of the two different methylated products. Also I would add some Test E in there as well...but that's only my opinion.

And your PCT def. needs some extra help. You'll need to add in something for Natty testosterone support & prolactin buildup.

Look in to adding some more in there and start using those products 2-3 weeks before the end of your cycle and run them for AT LEAST 8 weeks.
 
Ideally you'd run this as a 8 weeker; test e 500 mg/wk 1-8, dbol 50 mg 1-4, anavar 100 mg 5-8. That'd be a great cycle. Pct could just be clomid 100/100/50/50. I'd run an AI throughout.
 
shtsangiggles said:
Hello to all.
My name is Matt and I was hoping for some advice. I have been reading the forums for many weeks now and finaly decided to post.
Now my first cycle will be a oral only (I know, I know much better to run with injectables for keeping the gains. My second cycle will be injectable, probably with a 4 week 40mg ed dbol kicker) and just wanted experienced peoples views on my plan before I go ahead with it.
So first things first, stats:
Age 24
Height 6ft 2
Weight 190lbs
Around 15%
I have been training on and off for about 8 years in the past mainly to keep fit and add a little muscle. About a month ago decided I wanted to get "bulked up" so changed my diet around to add more carbs and protein upped my exercise weights and lowered the reps. All in all it works fairly well. But Ive adopted a go big or go home approach which is why I am here.

So here is my intake plan while on cycle. 5000 carbs per day, 380-400g protein (maybe overkill?) per day and lots and lots of water.
The supplements I will be taking are total protein, essential amino acids, creatine and probably a dose or 2 of hyperbolic mass from usn which I got for free from a friend. Along with these I will be taking on milk thisle and cod liver oil and multivitamins.

Now down to my cycle. I will be going for an 8 week cycle using both dbol and anavar as follows:
Dbol weeks 1-5 40mg ed
Anavar weeks 4-5 50mg ed and weeks 6-8 70mg ed (too low?)
Havnt decided if I am going to use aromasin as ai weeks 7-8 as I dont know if its needed or not.
Pct I will be using nolvadex and clomid over 4 weeks as follows:
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50 (maybe 2nd week 50?)

Anyway thats my plan. All input is welcome and any help/advice is greatly appreciated!
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I dont like your plan. stack 2 orals is not good, not worth the extra liver stress IMO, also you are using stand alone doses for both and combining them? var is not that light on your liver or lipids, I dont see a logic on this approach tbh.
Pick another non methyl that you can run for 8 weeks and just stay with one methyl, either dbol or var depening on your goals, we can say that both compounds are the oposite

also you are going nuts with your overdose of serms. why? for an 8 weeker is very unnecessary, those doses are prehistoric, 25 mgs of clomid would suffice... 50 if your cycle is very suppressive (to taper is also a good idea)

I am not a nolva fan, nasty stuff imo, to eachs own, you can pick any serm anyways, no reason to combine them either.
 
No. If you can get legit orals, then get test e as well. Also, running 2 methyls like that back to back is not a good idea. It will not be good for your liver. I would either run a simple hdrol cycle, or do test e for 12 weeks at 500mg since you probably have access.
 
Mystere3 said:
Ideally you'd run this as a 8 weeker; test e 500 mg/wk 1-8, dbol 50 mg 1-4, anavar 100 mg 5-8. That'd be a great cycle. Pct could just be clomid 100/100/50/50. I'd run an AI throughout.
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Also make sure you have a few bottles of a good liver/prostate support matrix and I would add 4-8 weeks of a natural test supp to go with your PCT plan, also consider a good EFA matrix to add to your diet. It will help with joint pain and DOMS
 
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