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brundel
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I have read some into it. My memory isnt great but I have hundreds of pages of notes on my desktop so Ill revisit it. Thanks.
brundel
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I dont think it will make it through customs. Plus Id like to use testers who have a few hundred posts min.
Nothing personal its just that 18 posts means you are not very active on this forum.
brundel
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Ive never used 6 bromo but I believe its a mild and reversible AI.
ATD isnt bad but not many if any people use it anymore after some serious F D A heat on it. Those using it are walking a very dangerous line as there has already been people whacked for using it.
BigFranco
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That's fine man thanks for the reply, I'm more of a reader then a poster but glad to be apart of this forum, great source of information on here
brundel
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We are working on it.
Probably soon though. It will likely be a test booster and Free T supp.
lepiricus
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I'm trying to catch up and pull info from various threads here but I'm very interestedbin this free test booster. Is it the tongkat based one or is that something else? The designer prohormones and DAA are no-go for me because of gyno flare ups that I have to use formeron for. I guess what I'm asking are there two products and serm for release soon or just one and the serm?
brundel
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Currently we have 2 products in R&D and 1 that just went to production this week.
We have a blend of 250mg tongkat with 10mg boron. In blood testing my free testosterone increased 600%.
Free T at 608ng/dl is VERY high....comparable to 1000-1500mg testosterone cypionate so...pretty significant.
Many people dont really "feel" a free test increase except perhaps in libido or mood but in the gym it makes a big difference.
It also seriously increases your muscle building/anabolic potential as the free test is the one thats available to bind to androgen receptors.
Tongkat is a great plant. We have a proprietary extract nobody else has. Its exceptional and we targeted certain chems within the plant for extraction so it gives a much heavier punch than most tongkat products.
This product is currently in production and will be available shortly. Less than a month.
We also have a SERM which is in testing phases. So far its performed very well and we will likely go to production soon.
This stuff is awesome. I just sent some to one of our forum members to run a PCT with. Hes gonna run blood work and get back at us with the results.
Its positive bloodwork results that = production for us. We dont just read a study abstract and base products on this. We run extensive testing including bloodwork to ensure when we say its gonna do this or that...it will.
Thirdly we are testing a new, non steroidal anabolic.
This stuff looks incredible in studies. Now its just for the testing phase. We are already testing it on a small group.
If things go well we plan to run a blind study here at AM using forum members.
We have a blend of 250mg tongkat with 10mg boron. In blood testing my free testosterone increased 600%.
Free T at 608ng/dl is VERY high....comparable to 1000-1500mg testosterone cypionate so...pretty significant.
Many people dont really "feel" a free test increase except perhaps in libido or mood but in the gym it makes a big difference.
It also seriously increases your muscle building/anabolic potential as the free test is the one thats available to bind to androgen receptors.
Tongkat is a great plant. We have a proprietary extract nobody else has. Its exceptional and we targeted certain chems within the plant for extraction so it gives a much heavier punch than most tongkat products.
This product is currently in production and will be available shortly. Less than a month.
We also have a SERM which is in testing phases. So far its performed very well and we will likely go to production soon.
This stuff is awesome. I just sent some to one of our forum members to run a PCT with. Hes gonna run blood work and get back at us with the results.
Its positive bloodwork results that = production for us. We dont just read a study abstract and base products on this. We run extensive testing including bloodwork to ensure when we say its gonna do this or that...it will.
Thirdly we are testing a new, non steroidal anabolic.
This stuff looks incredible in studies. Now its just for the testing phase. We are already testing it on a small group.
If things go well we plan to run a blind study here at AM using forum members.
lepiricus
Member
Awesome, thank you for taking the time to write that out and explain current affairs. I'm really looking forward to the free test booster and plan to purchase for sure. The non hormonal anabolic sounds intriguing as well. I will keep an eye out for updates. Thanks again for being so accessible!
ahh123
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Yeah brundel could make it available at least 20 bottles for AM members next week - instead of waiting to make 1,000 bottles in period of next 4 weeks lol.
koi1214
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I agree!
brundel
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I planned on a short run but the reality is I just dont have time to hand press, bottle, shrink wrap, label a few dozen bottles.
Its just not a good use of my time. I used to do ALL of our products by hand myself but I just could never keep up.
So....its coming. SOON. All the raws have been shipped to the manufacturer and I expect 2 weeks turn around and shipping etc.
Plus as a bonus for you guys who have been waiting we are going to run an intro sale at NP
So...right from the gate it will be on sale for less than MAP price.
Its just not a good use of my time. I used to do ALL of our products by hand myself but I just could never keep up.
So....its coming. SOON. All the raws have been shipped to the manufacturer and I expect 2 weeks turn around and shipping etc.
Plus as a bonus for you guys who have been waiting we are going to run an intro sale at NP
So...right from the gate it will be on sale for less than MAP price.
flightposite
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Just wanted to throw you a couple ideas brundel.
I remember you talking about a Pre workout.
Introducing
*PRIDE*
Black lion
Pre workout
Cop 1g
Tyrosine 1g
Glycine 1g
Tuarine 500mg
TMG 500mg
Choline 500mg
Glucuronlactone 200mg
Caffein 150mg
Grapeseed 100mg
Methylcobalamin 200 mcg
Very simple but effective. I've used this combo on my own numerous times.
I remember you talking about a Pre workout.
Introducing
*PRIDE*
Black lion
Pre workout
Cop 1g
Tyrosine 1g
Glycine 1g
Tuarine 500mg
TMG 500mg
Choline 500mg
Glucuronlactone 200mg
Caffein 150mg
Grapeseed 100mg
Methylcobalamin 200 mcg
Very simple but effective. I've used this combo on my own numerous times.
brundel
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I love the idea of a PWO.
Prior to my cardiac arrest I was testing a new PWO mix.
I think youll be surprised at the ingredient profile. Well not surprised but lets just say I covered my bases.
This stuff is WICKED. It did have 50mg DMAA in it though
I think I can find something to replace it. (DMAA)
So.....I do plan on doing a pre workout at some point.
Id also like to introduce my own personal intra workout mix at some point. Ive perfected it over the years. Just carbs/proteins,glutamine etc etc.
It makes a huge difference though.
I always used a small powerful preworkout with just a shot glass of water then started to consume my intra for the fluid so my stomach wasnt gurgling.
Im certainly down to hear ideas.
Keep in mind I have a set of guidelines I want to follow. A preworkout needs to have a balance of certain properties. Most these days are just stimulants.
Great...you FEEL like its working but its better to improve bloodflow and endurance etc. Most stimulants do the opposite except one family.
For now Ill keep this to myself but there are some plans/
Feel free to push me on the PWO and Ill get to it I promise.
flightposite
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brundel said:I love the idea of a PWO.
Prior to my cardiac arrest I was testing a new PWO mix.
I think youll be surprised at the ingredient profile. Well not surprised but lets just say I covered my bases.
This stuff is WICKED. It did have 50mg DMAA in it though
I think I can find something to replace it. (DMAA)
So.....I do plan on doing a pre workout at some point.
Id also like to introduce my own personal intra workout mix at some point. Ive perfected it over the years. Just carbs/proteins,glutamine etc etc.
It makes a huge difference though.
I always used a small powerful preworkout with just a shot glass of water then started to consume my intra for the fluid so my stomach wasnt gurgling.
Im certainly down to hear ideas.
Keep in mind I have a set of guidelines I want to follow. A preworkout needs to have a balance of certain properties. Most these days are just stimulants.
Great...you FEEL like its working but its better to improve bloodflow and endurance etc. Most stimulants do the opposite except one family.
For now Ill keep this to myself but there are some plans/
Feel free to push me on the PWO and Ill get to it I promise.
Sounds sweet brundel looking forward to What you have in mind for a Pre.
Also maybe you'd consider a joint support product.
brundel
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Well..there are some decent joint formulas out there. Maybe at some point.
For now I think this looks like a good projected plan:
TOngkat/boron
New anabolic
SERM
PWO
INtra.
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HTGduck
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I have mild case of gyno... I cut from 165 to 150. Despite being pretty lean my skin is really loose and I feel somewhat "fluffy". 165 was the heaviest I have ever been... I started out skinny-fat at 128. My goal is to be 185lbs at 8-10% bodyfat but I know I am a long ways away from that!! My question is.. could it be excess estrogen causing water retention and gyno? I am between 12-14% bodyfat right now (estimated)
main question: Could I greatly benefit from taking formeron or prolactrone?
main question: Could I greatly benefit from taking formeron or prolactrone?
lepiricus
Member
I'm sorta the same way, whenever I was on a PH cycle it would crush my gyno and my lumps would basically disappear only to rage back in the weeks following my cycle, even with PCT that included a SERM. I've ran SD twice and Epi Twice all with proper PCT. The only thing that effectively reduces my gyno flare ups is a PH cycle (which i'm not doing ever again) and formestane. Hell, even letro didn't work the one time i tried it and it was murder on my libiido and lipids. My most recent run was with Ostarine but I had to come off at 5 weeks because i felt my gyno flaring up and ran Toremifene for 4 weeks without improvement so I switched to formeron again. I'm in week 4 of my formeron run and gyno is still there but now receding and less painful.
brundel
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First a few questions:
WHat compounds are you currently using?
ANy drugs or medications-(feel free to PM if uncomfortable)
WHat EXACTLY are the gyno symptoms? Is there pain? This doesnt mean if you irritate your nipple for 20 min does it get sore. Gyno feels like glass under the nipple. Its painful to wear a shirt in most cases.
How long have the symptoms been present.
If your not on anything, what was used last that could be contributing.
brundel
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SD and EPI both tend to sort of...hold back estrogen for lack of better/easier terms to understand.
Similar in effect but not MOA to what happens with Arimidex or other non suicidal AI's. estro drops during treatment but will spike significantly upon cessation of treatment often causing or exacerbating gyno. Many people will think...well its epi or SD its not supposed to aromatize which is true as far as I know but there are hundreds of reports of post use gyno from SD and epi so.....either all these people are getting the wrong drug (highly possible considering lots of PH companies get their raws from unknown chinese guys) , or, these drugs are limiting estros effect on cycle but it spikes post cycle. Both are probably true.
Either way this is another reason why PCT should ALWAYS have an AI included.
Low estro= rising test.
High estro = dropping test
this means of your getting gyno post PCT your test levels are also plummeting making PCT unsuccessful.
HTGduck
Active member
Metabolic powder by EBF.. Dymatize protein... Stimul8 pre-workout. I have never used a PH. It doesn't feel hard... It's soft spongy lumps under my nipples... Almost feel veiny. To be COMPLETELY honest... They feel like testicles underneath my nipples.
brundel
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Ive had gyno several times.
Youll feel a mass and there will be pain.
Swollen nipples may just be swollen or puffy nipples. Some people just have it.
If ou have never taken anything to cause Gyno its highly unlikely unless you have had it since puperty or were previously obese and estrogen levels were out of control. Id be willing to bet its not gyno. Guys just get worried because they read about everyone having it but the guys who get it get it from steroids and def not protein powder and pre workout drinks.
Formeron will likely reduce water retention which might help and if by some freak chance you do have elevated estro levels Formeron will fix it.
Worst case you run Formeron and just get the good stuff that normally comes with it
HTGduck
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I used to be skinny-fat and unbelievably out of shape... I've always had really puffy nipples. I might just give it a shot. THANK YOU for being a Responsible company owner and a seemingly great and helpful person!Ive had gyno several times.
Youll feel a mass and there will be pain.
Swollen nipples may just be swollen or puffy nipples. Some people just have it.
If ou have never taken anything to cause Gyno its highly unlikely unless you have had it since puperty or were previously obese and estrogen levels were out of control. Id be willing to bet its not gyno. Guys just get worried because they read about everyone having it but the guys who get it get it from steroids and def not protein powder and pre workout drinks.
Formeron will likely reduce water retention which might help and if by some freak chance you do have elevated estro levels Formeron will fix it.
Worst case you run Formeron and just get the good stuff that normally comes with it
brundel
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brundel
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Im a fan of the handle Black Lion
I dont really like DAA. We ran tests on it and it didnt do anything.
I dont know about the other.
I do know the Formeron will work well and will certainly help you reach your goals.
kisaj
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I'd rock BLR gear all the time if it was low key. I am not a fan of big obnoxious labels and prints.
Black Lion- don't feel bad. I spent money on 4-5 brands of DAA trying to figure out why I was hating it and thinking it was the brands. It wasn't until I started running labs years ago for TRT that I realized it was actually bringing my natural numbers down and just giving me a headache in return.
Black Lion- don't feel bad. I spent money on 4-5 brands of DAA trying to figure out why I was hating it and thinking it was the brands. It wasn't until I started running labs years ago for TRT that I realized it was actually bringing my natural numbers down and just giving me a headache in return.
brundel
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The BLR shirts I have just have the chrome Black Lion Research across the top of the back and human experiment underneath.
Clean. All black. Everyone seems to want them. When I get time I plan on making some more.
Im also working on training gear. Like decent shorts for lifting. Designed for our purpose.
Clean. All black. Everyone seems to want them. When I get time I plan on making some more.
Im also working on training gear. Like decent shorts for lifting. Designed for our purpose.
Driven2lift
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I would be down
brundel
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Ill likely make some shirts soon.
Maybe get to the shorts and stuff later in the summer. I already have prototypes I wear to the gym
Oh..also the Tongkat/boron mix is finished. Itll be ready for sale within a week I expect. Maybe less.
Like our FB page so you get the release and where as it wont likely be at NP since we are doing the Follidrone release there.
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Maybe get to the shorts and stuff later in the summer. I already have prototypes I wear to the gym
Oh..also the Tongkat/boron mix is finished. Itll be ready for sale within a week I expect. Maybe less.
Like our FB page so you get the release and where as it wont likely be at NP since we are doing the Follidrone release there.
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ahh123
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Do you plan to ship both Follidrone and Tongkat/Boron at the same time next week to JW in UK cause I'm sure many would order both plus Formeron to save on shipping instead of ordering all 3 separate?
There could be some promo deal on stack of all 3 hmm. Actually Formeron could be in some promo stacks with pretty much everything on cycle, PCT, stand alone stacks Formeron + Tongkat/Boron...
abformulations
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brundel
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THis is a good idea.
The tongkat/boron is on the way so itll be here soon. A few days.
Ill try to make labels this weekend and order them so I can send a big pack to JW.
I dont even have a name yet.
Any suggestions?
Uron
Eurone
TB2
Give me suggestions. It might help push this forward lol.
brundel
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I want a T
Let me ask you guys....
Would you rather have thick, heavy anvil shirts that are in the 25$ range
Or thin surfer shirt material for like 12$
I bought a few of the thick ones for myself and Ive been wearing em to the gym for 2 years. Still solid. Still black.
This is one of them
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abformulations
Legend
The thin material that stretches good. Shirt needs to babel the flexing lol
brundel
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ahh123
Active member
You could start a new topic with name suggestions for tongkat-boron product and if you go with any suggestions then you could reward that person with maybe 1 bottle or BLR t-shirt.
I still like Tongkat-Boron for name since it tell everybody what product is all about compared to TB2 that tells you nothing.
If you want some short name here are few suggestions:
- TonBor,
- LongBor.
Driven2lift
Legend
Like the shirt Brundel, thick has my vote