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FORMERON FAQ

You guys who follow this thread and know who I am know I do my best to make not just good products but innovative products that work as good as possible.
This is one of the only ingredients out of dozens that lived up to standards.
Its unbelievable.

The logs we are starting shortly will tell some tales as well ;)
 
brundel said:
You guys who follow this thread and know who I am know I do my best to make not just good products but innovative products that work as good as possible. This is one of the only ingredients out of dozens that lived up to standards. Its unbelievable. The logs we are starting shortly will tell some tales as well ;)
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Lol as of now I believe I have 20 bottles of formeron. Just in case you decide to pull the plug on it someday
 
JD261985 said:
Lol as of now I believe I have 20 bottles of formeron. Just in case you decide to pull the plug on it someday
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Its worth having.
If something ever happens that takes it off the market lots of people will be disappointed.
 
Well I'll say this. And it's what I've said earlier. Hype is part of the nature of the beast. I don't buy that I'll put 100 lbs on my DL in a week, but I do think this product is worth buying. It has human research demonstrating a roughly 7% increase in grip strength in elderly people, which seemed to be secondary to decreased myostatin. What you have to understand is that adaptations to weight training (plus being younger) actually lower myostatin a TON over baseline. So I'd probably cut the strength increases in half in our population, as a ballpark (3.5%). That's in one week. Assuming basic diminishing returns (3% week two, 2.5% week 3, 2% and steady at week 4), you're looking at an ~11% increase in strength over a month. That's REALLY impressive at this level.

Will it pan out? Idk. That was just theory right there. But I'll be trying it if the price is right.

As an aside, I initially thought it would be an issue that it wasn't standardized for the bioactive isomer (-)-epicatechin, but it turns out that even if it's racemic at the minimum blended dose (250mg), that's still 125mg per dose. And the studies in humans only used about 1mg/kg, so you're getting extra bang for your buck
 
lepiricus said:
I was on a 8 week run of ostarine and had cut short because of extreme nipple sensitivity and gyno flare up. I turned to Toremifene and after 3 weeks I saw no improvement so I turned to Formeron like I've done in the past and after 3 weeks of Formeron the pain is nearly gone and lump is dropping in size. Formeron came through like a champ again at 2 pumps (about 3mL/day) I've pretty much resigned myself to fact that I cannot run anything remotely hormonal for gains as I'm super prone to gyno flare ups. Even DAA for a few days has done it in the past. From reading the thread it seems if I up the pumps I can get some anabolic effects? If so, i the sweet spot 4 pumps split AM/PM or should all 4 pumps be in teh morning after shower? I'm looking to add size and necessarily strength.

Also, side question I'm thinking out loud about. My wife and I are trying to have another baby and I worry about fertility. I would guess that an AI like Formeron couldn't possibly have a negative effect on fertility but if anything it would increase fertility because of slaying estrogen which prompts LH/FSA to produce and to tell the boys to produce more T. More LH/FSA means more fertile, right?
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I'm like you, super prone to gyno, get flare ups just by thinking of steroids. Am now 4 weeks into a cycle of Ostarine, Stanodrol, TB500 and test (I'm on TRT using Tostrex gel but have added som additional cypionate, 100mg x2/week) Lowdosed the osta at 15mg knowing it could raise e2. Took me 10 days then my nips went bat**** crazy. Lowered the osta to 12mg and increased DHT by raising stano to 900. Didn't do much so ordered formeron and prolactrone. 10 days in I'm definataley seeing improvements. Lumps have formed and still some minor pain but heading in the right direction. Can't say if it's the formeron or not. Doing 1 pump morning, 1 evening. Have caught gyno twice before and both times it has gone away on itself within 6 months of ended cycle.
 
Formeron.... 2 thumbs way up.
Running 4 pumps a day.. been through 1 bottle just opened the second.

Strength increase is definitely apparent. Hitting some PR's for reps..
Dropped creatine out about 2 weeks ago..
Waiting on dat there vascularity but its drying me out nicely as well

Edit: And I'm on a calorie defecit
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Well I'll say this. And it's what I've said earlier. Hype is part of the nature of the beast. I don't buy that I'll put 100 lbs on my DL in a week, but I do think this product is worth buying. It has human research demonstrating a roughly 7% increase in grip strength in elderly people, which seemed to be secondary to decreased myostatin. What you have to understand is that adaptations to weight training (plus being younger) actually lower myostatin a TON over baseline. So I'd probably cut the strength increases in half in our population, as a ballpark (3.5%). That's in one week. Assuming basic diminishing returns (3% week two, 2.5% week 3, 2% and steady at week 4), you're looking at an ~11% increase in strength over a month. That's REALLY impressive at this level.

Will it pan out? Idk. That was just theory right there. But I'll be trying it if the price is right.

As an aside, I initially thought it would be an issue that it wasn't standardized for the bioactive isomer (-)-epicatechin, but it turns out that even if it's racemic at the minimum blended dose (250mg), that's still 125mg per dose. And the studies in humans only used about 1mg/kg, so you're getting extra bang for your buck
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Thanks bud I appreciate your assessment. Seems about right.
Now, we are using the (-) -epi. Im not gonna spill the dose info but I will say 2 things.
1. its significantly more than was used in the study.
2. its more than double the competitor in dose and bottle content.

Im doing my best currently to keep the price down but this stuff is expensive. Approx 200% manufacturing cost of Formeron :(.
For sure it will be worth the price though and we are running an intro sale so guys can try it for a discounted price.
It wont be 200% the cost of Formeron Im just saying...man we had to take a hit to run this stuff for you guys at high dose.

Oh also, before when we were comparing the studies /regarding placebos I forgot to mention that our testers had 0 information regarding compound or action.
This further confirmed that at least a good deal of the result was not placebo. nobody knew what to expect.
Lets see how things go though.

Im def hyping this up but the truth is.....not one of the numbers or stats were fake.
Every single thing I said in the writeup was directly quoted from a study or seen in our study.
And the 11% approximation by Cooper isnt far off from the average.

Even if nobody believes me now....They will soon :)
 
rosemont83 said:
Formeron.... 2 thumbs way up.
Running 4 pumps a day.. been through 1 bottle just opened the second.

Strength increase is definitely apparent. Hitting some PR's for reps..
Dropped creatine out about 2 weeks ago..
Waiting on dat there vascularity but its drying me out nicely as well

Edit: And I'm on a calorie defecit
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This sounds good!
Generally my strength drops when I stop creatine. Underrated stuff IMHO.
I think the vascularity is highly BF% related.
If your really lean the drying effect shows all your surface veins or at least its much more evident.

Glad its doing the trick :)
 
Sorry guys for not poppin in lately I've been swamped. But I just wanted everyone to know that I feel 110% using what brundel supplied me for PCT. I am stoked to see my actual numbers. And I'm only about three weeks in.

Big thanks to brundel!!
And I'm looking forward to the new product release.
 
I'm kinda kicking myself now. Before starting the Clomid, I went and tested my levels, and after using Formeron at one pump for a couple weeks, my test went from 690 to 900 with my E2 at 24 (exactly the type of levels I was looking for), and I felt better. I just didn't want to ignore my docs recommendation, so I thought I'd at least Clomid a chance. My concern was if Formeron was ever discontinued (which I hope never happens), I'd at least want to know if something else works, but I kind of like the idea of just running an AI a lot better than a SERM, so I would probably want to do Arimidex anyways if Formeron was discontinued. Suffice to say, I'm not sure if I should just quit the Clomid and run Formeron. He has me on 25mg every other day, isn't that considered a relatively low dose? I don't actually feel terrible right now, but I certainly don't want to get gyno or throw my levels way out of wack.
 
Neo, thanks for that post. Bloods don't lie and that's encouraging. I know I prefer formeron performance as an AI vs nolva, clomid or any other SERM for recovery and gyno reduction.
 
neothecat said:
I'm kinda kicking myself now. Before starting the Clomid, I went and tested my levels, and after using Formeron at one pump for a couple weeks, my test went from 690 to 900 with my E2 at 24 (exactly the type of levels I was looking for), and I felt better. I just didn't want to ignore my docs recommendation, so I thought I'd at least Clomid a chance. My concern was if Formeron was ever discontinued (which I hope never happens), I'd at least want to know if something else works, but I kind of like the idea of just running an AI a lot better than a SERM, so I would probably want to do Arimidex anyways if Formeron was discontinued. Suffice to say, I'm not sure if I should just quit the Clomid and run Formeron. He has me on 25mg every other day, isn't that considered a relatively low dose? I don't actually feel terrible right now, but I certainly don't want to get gyno or throw my levels way out of wack.
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If this was your level without clomid you dont need it.
Keep in mind clomid is a cancer med and it does have significant potential for negative side effects including cancer causing potential and severe mood issues, vision problems etc etc.

Id drop the clomid. Your levels were already perfect.
 
Keep in mind that just because someone is a Dr doesnt mean they know everything about everything.
Unless hes an endocrinologist he likely doesnt know a ton about how to treat hypogonadism.
Even some endos are pretty clueless.

If you told him your blood results and he told you to use clomid Id fire him today. for sure.
 
I had to start antibiotics for an infected tooth and it has to be pulled in a few days, do you think I should stop taking formeron while this is going on?
 
Psychward said:
I had to start antibiotics for an infected tooth and it has to be pulled in a few days, do you think I should stop taking formeron while this is going on?
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No reason to.
If your not going to be training though you may want to stop just to save product.
 
i have a question, this is my first time using any transdermal, best way to apply?

i applied 2 pumps (also running 11-oxo and furaza , so using this for the little test increase and AI properties) this morning to my neck and forearms. should i try to apply to upper shoulder, chest, etc?

and if i take my showers at night should i just dose it at night after my showers to ensure the best absorption?
 
Use forearms only to rub into other sites as forearms are not a great site.
Upper chest, neck, shoulders, inner thighs.

After a shower is a good time.
If your using more than one pump split doses up though.
Like AM/PM and do the PM after the shower.
Also try to spread it out over as much skin space as possible.
 
brundel said:
Use forearms only to rub into other sites as forearms are not a great site. Upper chest, neck, shoulders, inner thighs. After a shower is a good time. If your using more than one pump split doses up though. Like AM/PM and do the PM after the shower. Also try to spread it out over as much skin space as possible.
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Alrighty will do 1 am and 1 pm. Thanks.

Alright successfully applied to shoulders, traps, neck and upper chest. Thanks brudel, u duh man!
 
I used 3 pumps after shower on upper chest. Side abs, inner thighs....so It would be best to spread out in am/pm? 3 pumps in one go not recommended???
 
heavyweight83 said:
I used 3 pumps after shower on upper chest. Side abs, inner thighs....so It would be best to spread out in am/pm? 3 pumps in one go not recommended???
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If I go 3+ I feel better spreading it through the day.
 
adeeil said:
Ordered my Formeron, a couple of days ago, what is the usual time for processing? A couple of days?
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Well as it is the weekend yes. I would expect it sent out Monday depending on where you ordered it from.
 
I had started taking boron (citrate) at 9mg a day but notice every time I start retaining lots of water, then I stopped and tried again, I read a study about boron increase oestrogen at one point, is that related to the water retention?

I use formeron at 3pumps but I started retaining water again after trying boron, is there anythinng I can do bout it cause I do want to try ur tongkat boron combo but obviously would want to avoid water retention?!
 
adeeil said:
Thanks for the input, i followed a link one of the reps put out, Orbitnutrition is the site.
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Good choice ;)
We are known for fast service, I would expect an update on shipment tomorrow brother
 
Driven2lift said:
Good choice ;)
We are known for fast service, I would expect an update on shipment tomorrow brother
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Thanks for the reply. Plan on using it with my PCT, have read a lot of good things about it. I have had my SERM and everything before I started, was just going to add this.
 
Brundel..

Really interested in trying Formeron. But I was planning on giving Iron Legion 11 XI-KT a 6-8 week run too
starting in about 2 weeks. Im planning a major cut, will be below maintenance calories. I plan on running
11 XI-KT @ 1.5 to 2ml per day for 6-8 weeks.

What do you think of stacking the 2 together..?

If i did stack them, when should I introduce the Formeron..?

And at what dosage should i run the Formeron for maximum effectiveness on a cutting cycle..?

thx :)

Current Stats
44
5' 7"
165lbs
14% bf

Looking to get down to 9 or 10% :)
 
vujade said:
Brundel..

Really interested in trying Formeron. But I was planning on giving Iron Legion 11 XI-KT a 6-8 week run too
starting in about 2 weeks. Im planning a major cut, will be below maintenance calories. I plan on running
11 XI-KT @ 1.5 to 2ml per day for 6-8 weeks.

What do you think of stacking the 2 together..?

If i did stack them, when should I introduce the Formeron..?

And at what dosage should i run the Formeron for maximum effectiveness on a cutting cycle..?

thx :)

Current Stats
44
5' 7"
165lbs
14% bf

Looking to get down to 9 or 10% :)
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I dont know enough about the 11xi-kt to make an real comment and I cant take the time to research it atm.
Id say run them at the same time.
Both are transdermals so make sure you use different sites. For example:
Formeron apply to upper chest, neck, delts.
11xi apply to inner thighs.
Something like that.

Also dont use hands to apply instead use forearms to apply to the sites I listed.
 
brundel said:
I dont know enough about the 11xi-kt to make an real comment and I cant take the time to research it atm. Id say run them at the same time. Both are transdermals so make sure you use different sites. For example: Formeron apply to upper chest, neck, delts. 11xi apply to inner thighs. Something like that. Also dont use hands to apply instead use forearms to apply to the sites I listed.
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You can buy the 11-oxo in caps. Running two dermals sounds like dry skin city
 
EatMoar said:
You can buy the 11-oxo in caps. Running two dermals sounds like dry skin city
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I'm actually gonna do this soon. I have about 4 weeks of 11 spray left so I'm just gonna do that in the morning and then two pumps of formeron at night. Only thing I hate is having to shower twice
 
JD261985 said:
I'm actually gonna do this soon. I have about 4 weeks of 11 spray left so I'm just gonna do that in the morning and then two pumps of formeron at night. Only thing I hate is having to shower twice
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I find that I stil get the same hardcore head rush when I apply it with or without showering. So I'm assuming it's absorbing the same.
 
You dont really have to shower before, it just helps slightly.
When we are relying on the skin to deliver the compound we want to take every step possible to ensure great delivery. Showering helps but too many will dry skin and inhibit absorption so its a double edged sword.
 
You dont really have to shower before, it just helps slightly.
When we are relying on the skin to deliver the compound we want to take every step possible to ensure great delivery. Showering helps but too many will dry skin and inhibit absorption so its a double edged sword.
 
Received my bottle swiftly, ordered on a saturday and received it today,wednsday. I am just finishing up a DMZ cycle and started using the formeron today and will continue to use it through my PCT with the clomid, D-Pol, I have.
 
brundel said:
You dont really have to shower before, it just helps slightly. When we are relying on the skin to deliver the compound we want to take every step possible to ensure great delivery. Showering helps but too many will dry skin and inhibit absorption so its a double edged sword.
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Indeedly! My skin is dry by nature unfortunatly so I can't shower more than once a day or else it's like dinosaur scales lol
 
My formeron should be here tomorrow :) thinking I'm gonna go 3 pumps a day!!!
 
htghunterray said:
My formeron should be here tomorrow :) thinking I'm gonna go 3 pumps a day!!!
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you'll love it at that dose, i've just backed down to approx 3 pumps a day from 4. Hopefully you'll experience the strength increases and anabolic effect you can get at 3+ pumps, good times ahead.
 
I just ordered formeron myself... Was wondering what would be the best thing to stack it with that would NOT require PCT.... I'm sure the answer is in here somewhere but wayyyy too busy to go thru 93 pages... I topped out at ten.
 
htghunterray said:
I just ordered formeron myself... Was wondering what would be the best thing to stack it with that would NOT require PCT.... I'm sure the answer is in here somewhere but wayyyy too busy to go thru 93 pages... I topped out at ten.
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Once Follistrone releases, that.

Looking to build mass? I would look into Anabeta, or ARA is popular
 
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