Time for my PCT (noob)

iwishiwasbig

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Hey guys, am 21, decided to take a PH called androgenix labs approximately 4 weeks ago. Really felt like I needed an extra boost because I hit puberty a little late. Went from 145 to ~164 in 4 weeks and it felt amazing to lift

Anyways, went to complete nutrition and for my PCT I bought RESET from ats labs which came with 3-test oxo from legal limit labs. It's all still in the package so I can return it if I need to but is this the way I should go? The lady there said I should take the test if I feel some withdraw symptoms and worked out an entire schedule for me on how I should take it etc... It came with it essentially and she said my estrogen levels will be mostly back to normal if I take both with her recommended schedule. Opinions?

My main concern is the reset:
Proprietary blend 30mg*
Epimedium extract (20% icarin)
Mucuna Pruriens (98% L-dopa)
Grape Seed Extract (95% opc)
Piperine

Any advice or comments on either product please! Will this work? I am willing to go for another product if extremely necessary but if this will do what it needs to do properly then please let me know either way.
 
for steroids/PHs you need a real PCT "most" of the time. u can get better answers in the proper section of the forum
 
R1, what oral that I can find online would you suggest that has the best results?? Thanks in advance

Edit: My cycle ended today, how long do I have to get a product where there will be minimal negative effects to my body from the elevated estrogen
 
iwishiwasbig said:
R1, what oral that I can find online would you suggest that has the best results?? Thanks in advance

Edit: My cycle ended today, how long do I have to get a product where there will be minimal negative effects to my body from the elevated estrogen
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I don't shop online. I have other sources so I don't know what is and isn't available online. Just type it in in google. Hdrol is a commonly used pro hormone as a first cycle. Just get a serm along with it.
 
I was solely talking about a otc PTC. Actually just scheduled a doctors appointment to see if I could get nolvadex. But if I can't I'm a sitting duck I just need a solid pct that won't kill me
 
I have used erase and erase pro with the arimistane formula and it has nabbed some pretty aggressive gyno. I have gone under the knife or it 14 years ago after a wet cycle and total disregard for PCT "stupid." You might can do it for a while but you will eventually get burned. So I obviously still have the tissue that is easily agitated by high estrogen. I honestly have stopped it cold twice with Erase. Last time I ran out of Erase and went about 6 days of some mild to mod gyno flaring. Left breast has some do rouse tissue that swole up pretty good and I got the droop too. What can I say it worked. The second time using Pro it took a few days to kick in and I noticed a progressing reduction to normal. My waistline started slimming up, noticeable drying up. Oh most important, I did not notice a real benefit until one day it took two pro tabs instead of one. After 4-5 days I went to one daily for a week and then 1 EOD for about a week the. Stopped. I am back to normal now . This was during week 6 of a wet cycle the second time. I go with the min during a wet cycle, so stackers and stronger pharm users probably need a SERM. I would not roll the dice!
 
What does the PH contain? (cant google well on phone).

The greater the supression,the more comprehensive the PCT.
 
Will update on ingredients when I get home. Was definitely overpriced but money wasn't an issue and I really did it on the whim of clearly wanting to see actual weight gains because my metabolism is light speed.

But just out of complete curiosity. Will the two products I mentioned work as a PCT? The 3-test-oxo has some anti estrogen ingredient and it's a light natural test booster. Heard some reviews that it was bad but people were trying to use it as an actual PH. The lady there said it would help wind off the actual PH. TBH can't even tell if the 3testoxo Is the actual PCT or RESET is given that the ingredients look useless. Is the RESET okay or is it complete garbage. Sorry for being uneducated in this, but are there any clear differences in taking this as opposed to a SERM?

Also, running out of time on this. Yesterday was my last day on the cycle and I haven't taken anything PCT yet because I wanted to be sure. I know I don't have much time but how much until the estrogen starts screwing me. Need a solution sometime soon haha
 
iwishiwasbig said:
Will update on ingredients when I get home. Was definitely overpriced but money wasn't an issue and I really did it on the whim of clearly wanting to see actual weight gains because my metabolism is light speed.

But just out of complete curiosity. Will the two products I mentioned work as a PCT? The 3-test-oxo has some anti estrogen ingredient and it's a light natural test booster. Heard some reviews that it was bad but people were trying to use it as an actual PH. The lady there said it would help wind off the actual PH. TBH can't even tell if the 3testoxo Is the actual PCT or RESET is given that the ingredients look useless. Is the RESET okay or is it complete garbage. Sorry for being uneducated in this, but are there any clear differences in taking this as opposed to a SERM?

Also, running out of time on this. Yesterday was my last day on the cycle and I haven't taken anything PCT yet because I wanted to be sure. I know I don't have much time but how much until the estrogen starts screwing me. Need a solution sometime soon haha
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I would run with what you've got for now

Edit: androgenix labs is the company name, not the product name unless I'm missing something
 
I won't see any aggressive gyno will I?

It's androgenix: strength and mass

I will update this when I get home in 30 min of the ingredients.

Jiigz, do you think the 3testoxo will be sufficient for my pct?
 
iwishiwasbig said:
I won't see any aggressive gyno will I?

It's androgenix: strength and mass

I will update this when I get home in 30 min of the ingredients.

Jiigz, do you think the 3testoxo will be sufficient for my pct?
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That is one potent PH my friend.. if what I'm seeing is correct, its has 3-4 compounds.. you need Nolva or some SERM asap.

That PH is not for beginners
 
I'm glad to hear I didn't take something completely garbage. But i have an appointment scheduled in the morning at the University clinic hopefully the doctor can help me out if not what should my backup plan be as something that will work for my needs over the counter that I can get asap!

I'm really sorry for being such an idiot with this I should've done this research a while ago
 
Mystere how long do you think I have before the estrogen starts to actually take a physical toll. My goal is to obviously get this asap but a time frame would help me feel a bit better
 
I think it's very unlikely a dr is gonna prescribe you a serm. You should prolly google what I wrote to you and order it.
 
Ok,

Can you please list any potential listing where I can get it for a good price? Should I get 1 or 2?

I read that you can ingest this correct?
If so I weigh ~164 and am 21, 6'0". Pretty lean
How much am I taking a day and what can I use to measure out the proper dosage? Please educate me!

Thanks in advance
 
Go to the Anabolics forum then go to the research chemical forum. Hardcore peptides has a 30% off sale right now.

Theirs is dosed at 20 mg/ml so 1 ml per day for 2 weeks then 0.5 ml a day for 2 weeks is typical.
 
Tamoxifen citrate correct?

This is good. I have to clarify though, this can be an oral correct? I get iffy with needles even though thinking about going hard on the next cycle
 
iwishiwasbig said:
Ok,

Can you please list any potential listing where I can get it for a good price? Should I get 1 or 2?

I read that you can ingest this correct?
If so I weigh ~164 and am 21, 6'0". Pretty lean
How much am I taking a day and what can I use to measure out the proper dosage? Please educate me!

Thanks in advance
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At your height and weight, u can gain naturally for a while. You are nowhere near peaking out. I'm 5'9", super fast metabolism, and I weigh more than you. You have to be dedicated.

Also, let's say for the amount u eat right now is good enough to maintain your weight. You hop on a steroid and gain 10 pounds post pct. Now you have to eat for those extra 10 pounds or you will lose it all. Either way, u have to eat more.
 
Dude gyno can hit hard literally over night. I swear to god PES Erase Pro I would expedite shipping and start immediately. The arimistane formula will work highly likely to prevent gyno. Atleast while you wait on a SERM. Yeah I tried the doctor... He said it would be malpractice... Think about it, he gives you tomoxafen for an unknown PH you took "he won't know" now your asking for a Rx. Even with blood work he would want a lot of expensive test to R/O any abnormality with pituitary for ex. I'm a retired RN and Clinical Exercise Physiologist BTW. You not getting a script. Listen to these guys on the SERM and ASAP the Erase Pro or like product with good reviews. Gyno are me alive in a week. $5k down the damn toilet out of stupidity...
 
Jdub3 said:
Dude gyno can hit hard literally over night. I swear to god PES Erase Pro I would expedite shipping and start immediately. The arimistane formula will work highly likely to prevent gyno. Atleast while you wait on a SERM. Yeah I tried the doctor... He said it would be malpractice... Think about it, he gives you tomoxafen for an unknown9 PH you took "he won't know" now your asking for a Rx. Even with blood work he would want a lot of expensive test to R/O any abnormality with pituitary for ex. I'm a retired RN and Clinical Exercise Physiologist BTW. You not getting a script. Listen to these guys on the SERM and ASAP the Erase Pro or like product with good reviews. Gyno are me alive in a week. $5k down the damn toilet out of stupidity...
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Thanks for the feedback i went ahead and ordered tamoxifen citrate from hard core peptide with priority so hopefully it gets here ASAP. Really wasn't sure how strong my PH was until more members commented on it. B outta grab $120 back from CN, those money grubbing d1cks.

BTW I still have 2 pills left from my cycle and have been off the cycle for two days. I decided to take an extra one I had late last night so my body wouldn't just start stabilizing on all the estrogen. Is it a big deal for me to take the other 2 on the next 2 days until my PCT gets here just to not waste them?

Edit: I keep stomping my own foot for being such an idiot and waiting last minute on all this stuff. Especially just snagging the first PH I could get my hands on
 
pgno23 said:
Dont inject a SERM. And at your age and knowledge you need to wait before going on any kind of cycle. Don't wanna run into these situations again.
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I know people are telling me to wait but I need a boost so badly to see any kind of weight gain. I didn't see past 145 for 4 years
 
We'll just don't take the chance. Nolva is good to have but a lot of people don't give clomi enough props. Also if you aren't predisposed you may not have any problem "this time" even w/O pct. You will live and learn. $5k boob job took me out of the "supplement" world for 14 years. I dot know how old you are but hard work, diet, frequency and consistency took me from 170lbs of bone and fat to 190lbs at <20% BF when I was only 21 years old. It's not about how much weight you can lift either always. You can get strong and high lean wt. by working on eccentric movement. Save your joints and back!!

Oh I would just spread out the last of your doses until I got my SERM. I have survived 6-7 days of swollen, itchy and drooping chest waiting on AI that I ran out of.
 
Arachidonic Acid (X-Factor) has become quite popular for post cycle, it helps you keep and build upon your gains.

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Of course, a SERM and an AI are top priority/essentials in pct.
 
Jdub3 said:
hard work, diet, frequency and consistency
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This man. Get everything down perfect. Research, improve, and grow every day. Lots of people think they need a boost before they really do. Just gotta keep progressing. If somehtings not working, research and make a change
 
iwishiwasbig said:
I know people are telling me to wait but I need a boost so badly to see any kind of weight gain. I didn't see past 145 for 4 years
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Thats because you arnt eating enough. If you haven't worked out the basics, why are you jumping for a methylsen, tren + others PH?

You realise that once your PCT is over, if you don't eat enough, you're just going to end up right where you started?
 
Jiigzz said:
Thats because you arnt eating enough. If you haven't worked out the basics, why are you jumping for a methylsen, tren + others PH?

You realise that once your PCT is over, if you don't eat enough, you're just going to end up right where you started?
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Yep.
 
R1balla said:
Yep.
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Eating a balanced diet is all he needs really. Without the PH or essentially increased hormone levels the need for extra protein for ex. will not really do much although a high protein diet is recommended. Frequency and duration. You have to stay with it! You will loose some gains but immediate will be water retention. In my experience I within the first 2 years of dedicated all natural training changed my body structure. You will retain a lot of benefits for a long time and will only gain more lean mass "how much depending on your age." As a side note if your in your teens or early 20's your metabolism is higher so a small low calorie meal every 4 hours may be ideal with high impact resistance training.

Wow I'm babbling just eat, sleep and train regularly.
 
Jdub3 said:
Eating a balanced diet is all he needs really. Without the PH or essentially increased hormone levels the need for extra protein for ex. will not really do much although a high protein diet is recommended. Frequency and duration. You have to stay with it! You will loose some gains but immediate will be water retention. In my experience I within the first 2 years of dedicated all natural training changed my body structure. You will retain a lot of benefits for a long time and will only gain more lean mass "how much depending on your age." As a side note if your in your teens or early 20's your metabolism is higher so a small low calorie meal every 4 hours may be ideal with high impact resistance training.

Wow I'm babbling just eat, sleep and train regularly.
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No doubt. People who 'don't get gains' do not understand what eating and training really is.
 
I have been eating regularly but the PH definitely increased my appetite. What I think it also did on a subconscious level is make me want to get out and hit the gym and get bigger. It really boosted my endorphin flow as well as my moods were much happier but could get a little temper.

Main point is it just got my mindset in the right place but I definitely saw gains. ~21 pounds clearly some of which will be gone but I ate good and often. Was getting 4k calories tried getting more stomach was exhausted eventually stretched getting 5k cal.

Before I started the cycle I wasn't eating nearly that much but 3 meals a day. I have a runner frame
 
Jdub3 said:
We'll just don't take the chance. Nolva is good to have but a lot of people don't give clomi enough props. Also if you aren't predisposed you may not have any problem "this time" even w/O pct. You will live and learn. $5k boob job took me out of the "supplement" world for 14 years. I dot know how old you are but hard work, diet, frequency and consistency took me from 170lbs of bone and fat to 190lbs at <20% BF when I was only 21 years old. It's not about how much weight you can lift either always. You can get strong and high lean wt. by working on eccentric movement. Save your joints and back!!

Oh I would just spread out the last of your doses until I got my SERM. I have survived 6-7 days of swollen, itchy and drooping chest waiting on AI that I ran out of.
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I haven't ran into any of those problems yet but I've been managing the last of my doses. Hopefully I see it ASAP I'm a little scared
 
We'll you live and learn. I wonder how many celebs have gotten gyno removed? Your not gonna loose 21lbs of lean mass. But if you keep eating like your are on PH and dot keep up the same levels of activity, those calories will turn to fat. Sounds like your metabolism is still high. 21 years old I trained hard everyday and attended University. It was a hell of a transformation and I was often asked if I played football for the university. That's before I ever touched a supplement. Take care of those joints especially your back. Eat healthy and SERMS are very potent, infact I don't know why you would even take the first Nolva until the symptoms became noticeable. That's why I believe a good AI like Erase Pro "current formula" would do you good. Save Nolva for onset of symptoms. You will be fine. This generation has it really good compared to when I was cycling. Y'all got all these OTC that are simply amazing compared to what I had access too. All have their deficits as far as short and long term side affects. Just minimize doses and you can't cycle a lot. I specialized in cardiac as a nurse and ExPhys. I have seen the results of enhancing on the heart. Matters a lot up close to and above 40. Just saying if you play do it smart or the safest you can.
 
Jdub3 said:
We'll you live and learn. I wonder how many celebs have gotten gyno removed? Your not gonna loose 21lbs of lean mass. But if you keep eating like your are on PH and dot keep up the same levels of activity, those calories will turn to fat. Sounds like your metabolism is still high. 21 years old I trained hard everyday and attended University. It was a hell of a transformation and I was often asked if I played football for the university. That's before I ever touched a supplement. Take care of those joints especially your back. Eat healthy and SERMS are very potent, infact I don't know why you would even take the first Nolva until the symptoms became noticeable. That's why I believe a good AI like Erase Pro "current formula" would do you good. Save Nolva for onset of symptoms. You will be fine. This generation has it really good compared to when I was cycling. Y'all got all these OTC that are simply amazing compared to what I had access too. All have their deficits as far as short and long term side affects. Just minimize doses and you can't cycle a lot. I specialized in cardiac as a nurse and ExPhys. I have seen the results of enhancing on the heart. Matters a lot up close to and above 40. Just saying if you play do it smart or the safest you can.
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So you're saying I don't need to use tamoxifen citrate until I see actual symptoms ? I thought it was suggested that I get nolva because it's the best way to go. I don't want to lose my gains. I only have a single PH pill left and I don't want any estrogen to kill of my muscle because my muscles are much bigger now
 
iwishiwasbig said:
So you're saying I don't need to use tamoxifen citrate until I see actual symptoms ? I thought it was suggested that I get nolva because it's the best way to go. I don't want to lose my gains. I only have a single PH pill left and I don't want any estrogen to kill of my muscle because my muscles are much bigger now
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No you need it. Start it the day after your last dose of PH.

40/30/20/10
 
iwishiwasbig said:
So you're saying I don't need to use tamoxifen citrate until I see actual symptoms ? I thought it was suggested that I get nolva because it's the best way to go. I don't want to lose my gains. I only have a single PH pill left and I don't want any estrogen to kill of my muscle because my muscles are much bigger now
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Nolva is just a blocker. I may be wrong but I dot think it will boost test levels. Clomi would be a better choice IMHO. I would treat Nolva as an insurance agAinst gyno. I don't really know what that PH does as far as your indigenous test production. I just see it as you will soon experience a high est level and low test. I mean I may be wrong about Nolva.... Clomi has a dual benefit and I see guys run so much SERM together on these forums I don't know how they can get up in the morning. We always followed up with Clen and tapered but the ol est monster always bites after you start to become more susceptible.

Edit: apparently Nolva does increase test and that shows how long I been out of the game. The fundamentals of what you are worried about are still the same though ;) like was said earlier take it now I guess. I have made it through a few cycles in past with no pct. Just didn't bother as bad back then. But always be prepared with PCT I learned the hard way...
 
Jdub3 said:
Nolva is just a blocker. I may be wrong but I dot think it will boost test levels. Clomi would be a better choice IMHO. I would treat Nolva as an insurance agAinst gyno. I don't really know what that PH does as far as your indigenous test production. I just see it as you will soon experience a high est level and low test. I mean I may be wrong about Nolva.... Clomi has a dual benefit and I see guys run so much SERM together on these forums I don't know how they can get up in the morning. We always followed up with Clen and tapered but the ol est monster always bites after you start to become more susceptible.

Edit: apparently Nolva does increase test and that shows how long I been out of the game. The fundamentals of what you are worried about are still the same though ;) like was said earlier take it now I guess. I have made it through a few cycles in past with no pct. Just didn't bother as bad back then. But always be prepared with PCT I learned the hard way...
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I'm a little confused. I know nolva is just a blocker but that's what I need right? I don't need an AI or clomi as well correct?
 
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